| Luke Chambers 14:47 - Jun 6 with 22522 views | NorfolkBlue1 |
New poster here, have been reading for around 15 years but couldn’t be bothered with the hassle of you lot but I had an interesting chat when I was out on the mariner last night.
Got chatting to Luke chambers.
He seemed quite emotional talking about the decline of the club in the last few years. He said without the togetherness of a few players, we would have been in a much worse position than now.
What was interesting was his view on Paul cook, thinks he’s an absolute tool, apparently virtually everyone that was at the club back end of last season thinks the same.
He also advised that mark ashton had interviewed him twice in the past and said that he doesn’t have the credentials…
I understand he may just be bitter but I thought it was interesting.
He also said he is either signing a two year deal with Colchester or gillingham this week. He said he’s virtually settled on Colchester though. |  | | |  |
| Luke Chambers on 20:59 - Jun 6 with 2655 views | gtsb1966 |
| Luke Chambers on 20:48 - Jun 6 by itfcjoe |
My opinion of Cook is based on a lot of factors, which obviously includes what I think and know about some players and how they have been treated.
I think he's a good enough manager to get us up, and is building a squad capable of doing so - but think he got a lot wrong in the back end of last season and sure he'd be the first to admit that. |
I think your last paragraph is spot on but i do think the players let him down too. Purely a guess from me but i wonder, if like many of us, he thought this squad was good enough and soon realised it wasn't. Who knows what went on and how the players reacted to a different style of management. Hopefully we have exciting times ahead. |  | | |
| Luke Chambers on 21:03 - Jun 6 with 2602 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers on 20:59 - Jun 6 by gtsb1966 |
I think your last paragraph is spot on but i do think the players let him down too. Purely a guess from me but i wonder, if like many of us, he thought this squad was good enough and soon realised it wasn't. Who knows what went on and how the players reacted to a different style of management. Hopefully we have exciting times ahead. |
I think it goes both ways on that - he let the players down, and they let him down....but then it's chicken and egg on it.
We'd have probably been closer to the play offs had Matt Gill stayed in charge....but had Matt Gill stayed in charge and we did scrape in then Evans may not have sold to the Yanks and we may still have Evans in charge.
Everything that has happened has happened for a reason, we are now in a place where we have new owners that have said and done all the right things so far, a new CEO with great experience and track record bringing in a team of people to move us forwards, and a new manager who has had great success in the EFL at every job.
Mistakes have no doubt been made, they are unavoidable, but every little thing that has happened has lead us to the position which we are now in which is the most positive one since probably Roy Keane's first summer after Evans takeover when PL looked a formality! |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 21:28 - Jun 6 with 2451 views | JDB23 |
| Luke Chambers on 17:54 - Jun 6 by itfcjoe |
Players follow Steve Evans around, look how many ex Sunderland players came here who had played under Keane when he was a terrible manager - guess some like comfort of it, and Cook has been a success everywhere so they may put up with things as get their win and promotion bonuses which is important - better the devil you know and all that.
I think his first attitude was to say after 3 wins we were playing rubbish, that he didn’t like style etc
and just it was all stick and no carrot and what was being said publicly was very different to private and all very false.
As with anything If Cook is a success none of this will matter, and if he isn’t then all this will continue coming out - because no one who was here last year wants to play for him currently after how they were treated
Chambers specifically was offered a deal for next season and then after a few games of sitting on bench it was withdrawn. He wouldn’t have played that last game bar KVY being injured and wanted to get to 400 games but sat behind McGuinness. |
Imagine being club captain during the worst period of the clubs history and you're crying about not making it to 400 appearances.
I'm quite pleased he's moved on and we get a fresh start. | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 21:39 - Jun 6 with 2380 views | Superblue95 |
| Luke Chambers on 20:23 - Jun 6 by chrismakin |
Fed up with the bullsht that comes out. And people like you hang off his every word and others and that's what creates pro and anti management groups.
Ever since chambers got dropped Joe has been pushing his anti Cook sht. Even going as far as PC should find another team. Etc etc. Its personal for him.
The lies that have come out are shambolic.
And I know they're lies as I have a much much closer source than he fken does and why I get so pssed off with all this sht.
The sooner the truth comes out about chambers etc the better as this is getting ridiculous |
You have a better source for Luke Chambers thoughts than Joe, who was out with Luke Chambers?
You’re an odd fish at times |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 21:43 - Jun 6 with 2350 views | BryanPlug |
| Luke Chambers on 21:28 - Jun 6 by JDB23 |
Imagine being club captain during the worst period of the clubs history and you're crying about not making it to 400 appearances.
I'm quite pleased he's moved on and we get a fresh start. |
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| Luke Chambers on 21:59 - Jun 6 with 2262 views | Vic |
No wonder Cook said he couldn’t trust the players!
I don’t particularly like what I hear reported of the way he binned them after the season, but if he and Chambers didn’t hit it off and he felt unsupported by him then it’s not surprising that the final goodbye was a bit brief. |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 22:06 - Jun 6 with 2195 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Luke Chambers on 21:43 - Jun 6 by BryanPlug |
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Bang on ! You forgot his countless cliches in the interviews too.
It's mad isn't it how he's treated like a saint one.
He just like everyone else ought to have been kicked out of the club following the manner in which we had been relegated.
Perhaps Cook felt let down by Chambers' attitude hence the manner of his departure. We don't know what went behind the scenes. [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 22:08]
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| Luke Chambers on 22:18 - Jun 6 with 2103 views | BlueBlood90 |
| Luke Chambers on 20:48 - Jun 6 by itfcjoe |
My opinion of Cook is based on a lot of factors, which obviously includes what I think and know about some players and how they have been treated.
I think he's a good enough manager to get us up, and is building a squad capable of doing so - but think he got a lot wrong in the back end of last season and sure he'd be the first to admit that. |
I’m struggling to see how the players deserved to be treated any differently than what they were by Cook.
You could say Cook was disrespectful but respect works both ways and it needs to be earned. What could possibly be more disrespectful than the performances they served up for him at Wimbledon, Northampton, Gillingham etc.
I’m glad they did now because as you’ve alluded to in a previous post we may have plodded along, scraped into the play offs and had to endure Marcus Evans for god knows how much longer.
Hopefully by August last summer and all that negativity will be a distant memory and we can all get behind Cook and the new era. |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 22:38 - Jun 6 with 1994 views | Geomorph |
| Luke Chambers on 20:32 - Jun 6 by longtimefan |
The problem is you changed a quote from “not universally popular to “universally not popular”. One means not everyone likes him, while the other means no one likes him. Those are totally different things and it’s somewhat disingenuous to complain about someone pointing it out. |
I know it’s a no brainer.. but being popular should not be part of any serious club managers job description. I’d hazard a guess cook knew how he was being perceived and didn’t give a flying f&ck |  | | |
| Luke Chambers on 22:56 - Jun 6 with 1921 views | Churchman |
The irony here is that the person most likely to be damaged by this sort of thing is not Cook, who has gained a reputation at the clubs he has worked for already, but Chambers.
Unlike Kieron Dyer who was very careful what he said about others in the game, spewing your bitter thoughts to a stranger in a public toilet about another person in the game is not smart. I’m sure Chambers must have heard of social media. If it were ever to reach a wider audience, why would you employ a new coach who is so indiscreet?
To risk compromising future employment prospects just 1% in this way seems pretty daft to me. |  | | |
| Luke Chambers on 23:02 - Jun 6 with 1891 views | TheBoyBlue |
"He said without the togetherness of a few players, we would have been in a much worse position than now."
I'm not really sure how we could've been in a much worse position. We went from the Championship play-offs to mid-table League 1 in five years. | |
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| Luke Chambers on 23:17 - Jun 6 with 1839 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Luke Chambers on 20:23 - Jun 6 by chrismakin |
Fed up with the bullsht that comes out. And people like you hang off his every word and others and that's what creates pro and anti management groups.
Ever since chambers got dropped Joe has been pushing his anti Cook sht. Even going as far as PC should find another team. Etc etc. Its personal for him.
The lies that have come out are shambolic.
And I know they're lies as I have a much much closer source than he fken does and why I get so pssed off with all this sht.
The sooner the truth comes out about chambers etc the better as this is getting ridiculous |
Grow up ffs |  | | |
| Luke Chambers on 23:25 - Jun 6 with 1804 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Luke Chambers on 21:43 - Jun 6 by BryanPlug |
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Presided over!! All nonsense [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 23:30]
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| Luke Chambers on 23:28 - Jun 6 with 1795 views | bariotneblue |
15 years. Not a single post and all of a sudden an apparent conversation with an ex captain of ours and THIS is what you decide to post about. Well done | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 23:40 - Jun 6 with 1751 views | itfctilidie |
It is all making a lot more sense now.
Chambers and his mates thought they could revolt like they did with Hurst.
Only this time new owners and a better manager - no one is bigger than the club, you are all free to find new clubs as this behaviour is no longer accepted at this club |  | | |
| Luke Chambers on 23:46 - Jun 6 with 1730 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Luke Chambers on 23:40 - Jun 6 by itfctilidie |
It is all making a lot more sense now.
Chambers and his mates thought they could revolt like they did with Hurst.
Only this time new owners and a better manager - no one is bigger than the club, you are all free to find new clubs as this behaviour is no longer accepted at this club |
Yep feel free to pop your evidence for this hyper supposition in a further post.
Sure we would all love to read your inside info that led to this sweeping statement | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 00:02 - Jun 7 with 1696 views | itfctilidie |
| Luke Chambers on 23:46 - Jun 6 by reusersfreekicks |
Yep feel free to pop your evidence for this hyper supposition in a further post.
Sure we would all love to read your inside info that led to this sweeping statement |
It's an opinion rather than a fact based statement - I have no inside knowledge so I am basing my opinion on the information available. It might be right, it might be wrong.
What evidence do you have to suggest it is wrong? | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 00:21 - Jun 7 with 1659 views | Sarge |
| Luke Chambers on 19:15 - Jun 6 by chrismakin |
Have a personal feel to it. But this comment annoys me
" universally not popular with ex players"
Despite plenty following him to other clubs. Despite many ex player and coaches raving about him and his personality and man management skills.
Fine. He upset Chambers. But what's the point in trying to make out he has basically been a lucky manager that no one likes. Saying they do so because it brings them money is embarrassing tbh. Not everyone is a chambers and goes where the money is ;) [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 19:19]
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He said “not universally popular with ex players” which is a vastly different statement to “universally not popular with ex players”. | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 00:27 - Jun 7 with 1645 views | catch74 |
Reading between the lines, someone has thrown all the players under the bus.
I’m saying Nolan, kept very quiet through all the going’s on, the little snitch.
In all honesty ,though, I’m so tired of all this, the Evans/ Banter era -just want a team and manager to trust and be proud of. This is just not very pretty. |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 00:42 - Jun 7 with 1618 views | pointofblue |
| Luke Chambers on 22:18 - Jun 6 by BlueBlood90 |
I’m struggling to see how the players deserved to be treated any differently than what they were by Cook.
You could say Cook was disrespectful but respect works both ways and it needs to be earned. What could possibly be more disrespectful than the performances they served up for him at Wimbledon, Northampton, Gillingham etc.
I’m glad they did now because as you’ve alluded to in a previous post we may have plodded along, scraped into the play offs and had to endure Marcus Evans for god knows how much longer.
Hopefully by August last summer and all that negativity will be a distant memory and we can all get behind Cook and the new era. |
So what happened for us to go under a reasonable run under Gill to all of it suddenly falling apart quite quickly when Cook took full control?
Lambert’s final seven matches (officially) in charge resulted in three wins, three draws and a defeat - twelve points out of twenty one. In the previous seven we picked up nine. In the previous seven games ten. Not brilliant but then again he was an abysmal manager.
In Cook’s first seven we gained eight points. In his next seven we claimed seven points, then four from the final two matches. We ended up six points off the plays offs; even keeping to Lambert’s average we would have shockingly been within touching distance.
As said above, it’s easy to blame one party or the other instead of accepting both had a part to play. Cook didn’t take the right approach, the players reacted badly to it rather than knuckling down. A rebuild is required and we’re getting it but no one should be shocked about tales of bad blood. | |
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| Luke Chambers on 06:23 - Jun 7 with 1473 views | Lowie |
| Luke Chambers on 23:40 - Jun 6 by itfctilidie |
It is all making a lot more sense now.
Chambers and his mates thought they could revolt like they did with Hurst.
Only this time new owners and a better manager - no one is bigger than the club, you are all free to find new clubs as this behaviour is no longer accepted at this club |
Spot on.
He is 100% no loss to this club. | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 07:04 - Jun 7 with 1378 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Luke Chambers on 23:28 - Jun 6 by bariotneblue |
15 years. Not a single post and all of a sudden an apparent conversation with an ex captain of ours and THIS is what you decide to post about. Well done |
Exactly this.. nothing better to do in 15 years than to spread controversial gossip about an ex player who quite frankly along with his team mates were not fit or good enough to wear the badge anymore. I’ve posted before about the squad and quite frankly i won’t lose any sleep when our worst squad in history leaves and moves on. All the bed wetting over players who have shown or done nothing here I can’t understand. The place clearly needs a complete reset and that’s what’s happening. Finally we have some optimism again and that’s because of the new owners and Cook. Everyone’s opinion (players) before that have little meaning and weight as they achieved nothing positive for “our” club in a football sense. Sentiment of a popular player or a nice guy is lost on me. [Post edited 7 Jun 2021 7:07]
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| Luke Chambers on 07:16 - Jun 7 with 1332 views | BondiBlue |
| Luke Chambers on 22:56 - Jun 6 by Churchman |
The irony here is that the person most likely to be damaged by this sort of thing is not Cook, who has gained a reputation at the clubs he has worked for already, but Chambers.
Unlike Kieron Dyer who was very careful what he said about others in the game, spewing your bitter thoughts to a stranger in a public toilet about another person in the game is not smart. I’m sure Chambers must have heard of social media. If it were ever to reach a wider audience, why would you employ a new coach who is so indiscreet?
To risk compromising future employment prospects just 1% in this way seems pretty daft to me. |
And Joe this is why i'm wondering, as a mate of Luke's, if you need to be backing up a random new poster's account of a conversation you didn't hear, even if you think it might be true. If you were a journalist, you could argue that it's in the public interest. But it sounds like you weren't there as a journalist. | |
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| Luke Chambers on 07:20 - Jun 7 with 1302 views | BryanPlug |
| Luke Chambers on 23:25 - Jun 6 by reusersfreekicks |
Presided over!! All nonsense [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 23:30]
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| Luke Chambers on 07:24 - Jun 7 with 1285 views | urbanblue |
| Luke Chambers on 17:40 - Jun 6 by itfcjoe |
I don’t think it’s that, they just haven’t been treated with any respect by the new management.
He’s come in and ended their careers, from what I understand he’s not universally popular amongst ex players. But is obviously a good manager and players out up with things for success as it brings them money and progress.
A friend of mine’s nephew played under him at Pompey, and was one of his stalwarts and couldn’t stick him |
I see this thread goes on to discuss the meaning of 'not universally popular' but that's just really semantics as is you're comment that he's '.. ended their careers' which of course, he hasn't at all.
You say the players haven't been shown any respect by Cook, but did they show any respect for him? From Chambers' comments I would guess not. When your club captain and someone so influential within the club feels like that it clearly trickles down and the rot affects all the players.
Cook has been successful and obviously there is something there that attracts players to him. I reckon it's respect. You can quite easily not particularly like someone, but respect their knowledge, professionalism, and success in getting the job done. Respect would also, and in fact need to be both ways. That's why certain players want to work with him ... not because he's a great bloke and an all round nice guy.
The problem is that it appears there has been no mutual respect with the current players from the start and when that happens the manager has the power and authority. I can now completely understand why Cook wants to clear them all out, especially if they have all been talking and acting and speaking like this.
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