| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n/t) 18:01 - Jun 16 with 26129 views | BryanPlug |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:36 - Jun 16 with 4785 views | footers |
Never mind all that, can anyone tell me exactly where in Ipswich certain players and staff are living? It's really important to me and not at all weird. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:37 - Jun 16 with 4768 views | SpruceMoose |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:36 - Jun 16 by footers |
Never mind all that, can anyone tell me exactly where in Ipswich certain players and staff are living? It's really important to me and not at all weird. |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:46 - Jun 16 with 4717 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:21 - Jun 16 by crossyitfc |
Remarkably you seem more agitated than you did when Lambert was still here |
Couldn’t be further from the truth, but everything seems to be so black and white on here currently. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:58 - Jun 16 with 4644 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:46 - Jun 16 by itfcjoe |
Couldn’t be further from the truth, but everything seems to be so black and white on here currently. |
Maybe comments come across that way because those who comment are likely to be those with a firm opinion?
Personally, I think something has been rotten at this club for a long time and needed big changes. Lots of that is off the field and is clearly changing. However, some of it appears to be on the field. Cook has come in with a very good record and highly recommended from fans. He was unable to change things on the pitch despite results having made a promising upturn just ahead of him coming in.
This suggests to me that Cook has some limitations - why could Gill (and Lambert at times) get more out of the team than Cook could? But it also screams that players were not pulling their weight and Cook has shown by his comments and clear out that he is unequivocal in this being the case. Ultimately Cook will be judged by results over the course of the next season. [Post edited 16 Jun 2021 20:59]
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:03 - Jun 16 with 4594 views | jeera |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:58 - Jun 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Maybe comments come across that way because those who comment are likely to be those with a firm opinion?
Personally, I think something has been rotten at this club for a long time and needed big changes. Lots of that is off the field and is clearly changing. However, some of it appears to be on the field. Cook has come in with a very good record and highly recommended from fans. He was unable to change things on the pitch despite results having made a promising upturn just ahead of him coming in.
This suggests to me that Cook has some limitations - why could Gill (and Lambert at times) get more out of the team than Cook could? But it also screams that players were not pulling their weight and Cook has shown by his comments and clear out that he is unequivocal in this being the case. Ultimately Cook will be judged by results over the course of the next season. [Post edited 16 Jun 2021 20:59]
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There's also one or two who seem to get some weird thrill from leaping on Joe at every opportunity, whilst falling over themselves to post every scrap of rubbish they can find elsewhere.
Lots of hypocrisy and perhaps some level of jealousy on show.
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:12 - Jun 16 with 4544 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:58 - Jun 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Maybe comments come across that way because those who comment are likely to be those with a firm opinion?
Personally, I think something has been rotten at this club for a long time and needed big changes. Lots of that is off the field and is clearly changing. However, some of it appears to be on the field. Cook has come in with a very good record and highly recommended from fans. He was unable to change things on the pitch despite results having made a promising upturn just ahead of him coming in.
This suggests to me that Cook has some limitations - why could Gill (and Lambert at times) get more out of the team than Cook could? But it also screams that players were not pulling their weight and Cook has shown by his comments and clear out that he is unequivocal in this being the case. Ultimately Cook will be judged by results over the course of the next season. [Post edited 16 Jun 2021 20:59]
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For me there just seems a total lack of balance from some, 6 months ago Lambert was the devil and the players were fine and because Cook comes in and can’t get a tune out of them it means the all the players are terrible and stealing living and should be sacked etc
The management under Lambert was beyond terrible, Cook should have done better. He didn’t, but if he had where would we be? Lost in the play offs and Evans retaining control? Who knows?
Personally - I’m very happy with the position the club is in now with the owners, the executives and the manager. Everything that has happened has lead to this point so it has all happened for a reason.
I’m more excited by the owner and their appointments than the manager personally, because they are the ones who will determine the success of our club in the long term. Cook has an unblemished record at this level and I’m pleased he is here - but think he has a lot to prove to me. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:27 - Jun 16 with 4459 views | BloomBlue |
Has anyone seen the plan in writing?
Not saying there isn't one but some people keep talking about this plan. From my perspective the plan is recruiting new players and we seem to be doing that |  | | |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:29 - Jun 16 with 4446 views | N2_Blue |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 19:23 - Jun 16 by gtsb1966 |
With all due respect you do seem to have a downer on the club at the moment. Nobody knows what is going on. I just think people should wait and see. My personal feeling is that we will all be pleasantly surprised by our side come August. If it turns out I'm way off I'll gladly eat humble pie but I'm confident. |
Yep agree, Joe used to be such a level headed and interesting poster to read on here but he's really changed recently which is a real shame. I try avoid his posts now as they are nearly all negative whereas before i took notice when i saw him post.
Very negative and doesn't seem a fan of the current regime before it's even had a chance.
Saying some people can't say a bad thing about the club is stupid. There is not really much point in criticizing things yet because ultimately it all comes down to what happens results wise. If we are not picking up wins from the off then fair enough there is then something to be disgruntled by and be negative and criticize if you want but i don't get all this doom and gloom currently.
We could easily sign 5 players in one week and all this grumbling will look silly then. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:36 - Jun 16 with 4401 views | Hipsterectomy |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:12 - Jun 16 by itfcjoe |
For me there just seems a total lack of balance from some, 6 months ago Lambert was the devil and the players were fine and because Cook comes in and can’t get a tune out of them it means the all the players are terrible and stealing living and should be sacked etc
The management under Lambert was beyond terrible, Cook should have done better. He didn’t, but if he had where would we be? Lost in the play offs and Evans retaining control? Who knows?
Personally - I’m very happy with the position the club is in now with the owners, the executives and the manager. Everything that has happened has lead to this point so it has all happened for a reason.
I’m more excited by the owner and their appointments than the manager personally, because they are the ones who will determine the success of our club in the long term. Cook has an unblemished record at this level and I’m pleased he is here - but think he has a lot to prove to me. |
Lambert was always defending players even when they were poor (though I'm not sure why as you've alluded to the fact they didn't really like him or respect him as a coach I believe) to the point it exasperated even Radio Suffolk. Cook comes in under new optimism and starts telling us that most of the players don't care or are hurt by losses, refusing to train extra sessions, some are even stealing a living from us, he will enjoy saying goodbye to some of them etc...
I think most fans probably wanted to hear that the players were just not good enough/didn't care as it's what they believed and an easy conclusion to make. Lambert was trash, but it's not like fans were defending the players. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:39 - Jun 16 with 4385 views | BryanPlug |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:27 - Jun 16 by BloomBlue |
Has anyone seen the plan in writing?
Not saying there isn't one but some people keep talking about this plan. From my perspective the plan is recruiting new players and we seem to be doing that |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:40 - Jun 16 with 4380 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:36 - Jun 16 by Hipsterectomy |
Lambert was always defending players even when they were poor (though I'm not sure why as you've alluded to the fact they didn't really like him or respect him as a coach I believe) to the point it exasperated even Radio Suffolk. Cook comes in under new optimism and starts telling us that most of the players don't care or are hurt by losses, refusing to train extra sessions, some are even stealing a living from us, he will enjoy saying goodbye to some of them etc...
I think most fans probably wanted to hear that the players were just not good enough/didn't care as it's what they believed and an easy conclusion to make. Lambert was trash, but it's not like fans were defending the players. |
I don’t think Lambert set out to defend the players but just to straight bat any and every thing and give the journos nothing to talk about. He never went out of his way to praise them but just had the same schtick as he always had had.
All I’d ask re Cook and his subsequent approach is what has it actually achieved? Especially when a number of those players will be here next season. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:45 - Jun 16 with 4325 views | bluejacko |
It’s quite simple really all our targets are busy at the moment! Playing in the Euros aren’t they👠|  | | |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:51 - Jun 16 with 4280 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:40 - Jun 16 by itfcjoe |
I don’t think Lambert set out to defend the players but just to straight bat any and every thing and give the journos nothing to talk about. He never went out of his way to praise them but just had the same schtick as he always had had.
All I’d ask re Cook and his subsequent approach is what has it actually achieved? Especially when a number of those players will be here next season. |
It's not about acheiving anything, it was being honest something Lambert failed to do " Couldn't ask for more, Absolutely Brilliant et etc" and about time the microscope was on the players and not the managers.
Who ever is left needs to show they DO want to win, and only want to win and hurt when they don't. If they don't want that, then they can't expect to be involved. As you said the other day, they're all pro's so that shouldnt be a problem for them to take onboard |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:06 - Jun 16 with 4243 views | hype313 |
Not really, if we start the season with 7 players and we have to call on Phil, Old Git, Facters and Benters then I might start panicking. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:10 - Jun 16 with 4224 views | DanTheMan |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:29 - Jun 16 by N2_Blue |
Yep agree, Joe used to be such a level headed and interesting poster to read on here but he's really changed recently which is a real shame. I try avoid his posts now as they are nearly all negative whereas before i took notice when i saw him post.
Very negative and doesn't seem a fan of the current regime before it's even had a chance.
Saying some people can't say a bad thing about the club is stupid. There is not really much point in criticizing things yet because ultimately it all comes down to what happens results wise. If we are not picking up wins from the off then fair enough there is then something to be disgruntled by and be negative and criticize if you want but i don't get all this doom and gloom currently.
We could easily sign 5 players in one week and all this grumbling will look silly then. |
Honestly this sounds like you used to agree with him so he was level headed then but now you don't so he's "very negative".
Which doesn't actually seem to reflect any of the stuff he's posted. Like some of us, he's just a little more cautious. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:17 - Jun 16 with 4187 views | hype313 |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:10 - Jun 16 by DanTheMan |
Honestly this sounds like you used to agree with him so he was level headed then but now you don't so he's "very negative".
Which doesn't actually seem to reflect any of the stuff he's posted. Like some of us, he's just a little more cautious. |
I think because it was so awful, toxic under the Evans stewardship, anyone coming in would be Mary Poppins in comparison, but just because they have bought Evans out, doesn't give them a free pass.
All the noises and appointments look good, but they haven't achieved anything yet, so there's no point being too optimistic or being too negative.
Let's see where we are come August. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:22 - Jun 16 with 4154 views | pointofblue |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:51 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
It's not about acheiving anything, it was being honest something Lambert failed to do " Couldn't ask for more, Absolutely Brilliant et etc" and about time the microscope was on the players and not the managers.
Who ever is left needs to show they DO want to win, and only want to win and hurt when they don't. If they don't want that, then they can't expect to be involved. As you said the other day, they're all pro's so that shouldnt be a problem for them to take onboard |
And yet no one is allowed to question why Cook took a squad which was in touching distance of the play offs - despite being under Town’s worse ever manager for the season - and buried any chance whatsoever of promotion. Instead these fans are sneered at as overly critical, negative and giving the players an easy ride.
And that’s where my concern comes in - if we do not revamp the squad then Cook has already burned his bridges with those remaining. But I guess the truth is, in terms of the OP’s question, we have no idea how the squad rebuilding is actually going. From the inside it may look further ahead than it feels from our position. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:25 - Jun 16 with 4145 views | RobTheMonk |
We're only midway through June and have got one of the most exciting wingers in the League in Burns and a good centre mid in Evans.
I'd like to have seen more by now, but we're still not in pre season yet and you'd hope that things are bubbling away behind the scenes...
Am I concerned? Slightly to be honest. But there's still time to sort it out.
Regarding Cook, he's going to need to hit the ground running next season. The end of last season was utterly shambolic and we can't afford to give a manager a free hit again. |  | | |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:31 - Jun 16 with 4115 views | MrTown |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 20:46 - Jun 16 by itfcjoe |
Couldn’t be further from the truth, but everything seems to be so black and white on here currently. |
You certainly seem have got the hump with Cook, don’t know what it is, but he does seem to have rattled you. [Post edited 16 Jun 2021 22:49]
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:40 - Jun 16 with 4078 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:22 - Jun 16 by pointofblue |
And yet no one is allowed to question why Cook took a squad which was in touching distance of the play offs - despite being under Town’s worse ever manager for the season - and buried any chance whatsoever of promotion. Instead these fans are sneered at as overly critical, negative and giving the players an easy ride.
And that’s where my concern comes in - if we do not revamp the squad then Cook has already burned his bridges with those remaining. But I guess the truth is, in terms of the OP’s question, we have no idea how the squad rebuilding is actually going. From the inside it may look further ahead than it feels from our position. |
People can question why, but it ends in similar ways, you either believe the players are to blame or PC is, there's not really a middle ground ( Or doesn't seem to be )
What I still stand by is that PC and Lambert both achieved 18 points over the equivelent 16 games in charge. Gill and Walker did much better with 3 out of 3. So imo PC did no less and no worse than Lambert with a much tougher task of managing the side after a takeover and the realisation that most of the side would not be staying at the club so there was no point in increasing their personal efforts as they'd still end up in league 1/2 regardless of where town finished. But that's my personal view which is open to scrutiny.
Next season will be proof in the pudding, me especially, we end up sht, i'll be the first to hold hands up and say I was wrong and PC is rubbish. However I don't as it stands believe this is the case and after seeing players joking around after losing or drawing with opponents, the constant referrel to town players not really caring etc, it's not suprising to hear an honest manager like PC come out with it after defending the players when he first come in and I think it was a breath of fresh air for someone to say look these players are not fit enough and they don't want it enough, or they don't want to be here.
I think people do underestimate how quick things can happen in football, sooner or later clubs have got to start letting players go and bringing players in, apart from a few, there has barely been any movement, and once that starts, this is when I think we'll start seeing more movement ourselves. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:44 - Jun 16 with 4073 views | bazza |
Mbappe and Pogba won’t want to sign until After the euros.. |  | | |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:47 - Jun 16 with 4054 views | pointofblue |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:40 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
People can question why, but it ends in similar ways, you either believe the players are to blame or PC is, there's not really a middle ground ( Or doesn't seem to be )
What I still stand by is that PC and Lambert both achieved 18 points over the equivelent 16 games in charge. Gill and Walker did much better with 3 out of 3. So imo PC did no less and no worse than Lambert with a much tougher task of managing the side after a takeover and the realisation that most of the side would not be staying at the club so there was no point in increasing their personal efforts as they'd still end up in league 1/2 regardless of where town finished. But that's my personal view which is open to scrutiny.
Next season will be proof in the pudding, me especially, we end up sht, i'll be the first to hold hands up and say I was wrong and PC is rubbish. However I don't as it stands believe this is the case and after seeing players joking around after losing or drawing with opponents, the constant referrel to town players not really caring etc, it's not suprising to hear an honest manager like PC come out with it after defending the players when he first come in and I think it was a breath of fresh air for someone to say look these players are not fit enough and they don't want it enough, or they don't want to be here.
I think people do underestimate how quick things can happen in football, sooner or later clubs have got to start letting players go and bringing players in, apart from a few, there has barely been any movement, and once that starts, this is when I think we'll start seeing more movement ourselves. |
And fails under scrutiny - our performances collapsed under Cook BEFORE the takeover took place. The Gillingham game was a shambles. In fairness, so was the Stanley game before it when Cook was making his presence known from the stands.
Just to clarify I think it is more complex than just being Cook’s fault or just being the player’s fault. Personally it feels like Cook came in like a bull in a china shop but the players took personal offence. Cook tried to get the players to suit his approach when, to an extent through no fault of their own, they didn’t have the fitness to do so but, at the same time, instead of fighting to improve standards they seemed to rebel
Gamechanger and Cook will now be building the club in their image. The business side seems in a good place, I would personally prefer to have seen more experience in terms of the coaching side and the playing side is a work in progress. I think new signings, especially promising ones, will lift some of the nerves. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:58 - Jun 16 with 4003 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:47 - Jun 16 by pointofblue |
And fails under scrutiny - our performances collapsed under Cook BEFORE the takeover took place. The Gillingham game was a shambles. In fairness, so was the Stanley game before it when Cook was making his presence known from the stands.
Just to clarify I think it is more complex than just being Cook’s fault or just being the player’s fault. Personally it feels like Cook came in like a bull in a china shop but the players took personal offence. Cook tried to get the players to suit his approach when, to an extent through no fault of their own, they didn’t have the fitness to do so but, at the same time, instead of fighting to improve standards they seemed to rebel
Gamechanger and Cook will now be building the club in their image. The business side seems in a good place, I would personally prefer to have seen more experience in terms of the coaching side and the playing side is a work in progress. I think new signings, especially promising ones, will lift some of the nerves. |
Interesting take on it, personally don't see how you can question a managers first game in charge, which funnily enough we'd have drawn had it not been for 2 individual errors by the supreme sears. ( Who is no longer here ) but each to their own of course
It wasn't the first time certain players have not appreciated a direct approach, thankfullly those players are no longer here. Of course some may remain, but the main ones have gone already.
I agree on the coaching side to an extent, GK Coach and Jeffers I accept due to their experiences, but Roberts and Cranie? I just don't understand. I guess it will just be something we have to trust but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else come in, Im not a fan of no assistant manager, I think he's leaving it open for Leam incase it doesn't work at Wigan, otherwise I don't understand him leaving it free. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:59 - Jun 16 with 4010 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 21:12 - Jun 16 by itfcjoe |
For me there just seems a total lack of balance from some, 6 months ago Lambert was the devil and the players were fine and because Cook comes in and can’t get a tune out of them it means the all the players are terrible and stealing living and should be sacked etc
The management under Lambert was beyond terrible, Cook should have done better. He didn’t, but if he had where would we be? Lost in the play offs and Evans retaining control? Who knows?
Personally - I’m very happy with the position the club is in now with the owners, the executives and the manager. Everything that has happened has lead to this point so it has all happened for a reason.
I’m more excited by the owner and their appointments than the manager personally, because they are the ones who will determine the success of our club in the long term. Cook has an unblemished record at this level and I’m pleased he is here - but think he has a lot to prove to me. |
To be fair, when Lambert was first getting flack was when I started questioning the players. I stated at the time they were the common factor when the manager was a different one. Responses generally stated that both Hurst and Lambert were dreadful and the players were only being reasonable in doing all they could to get them out of the club. When a third manager has a problem with the same bunch of players, it suggests the fault clearly lies (at least in part) with them. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 23:16 - Jun 16 with 3982 views | pointofblue |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:58 - Jun 16 by chrismakin |
Interesting take on it, personally don't see how you can question a managers first game in charge, which funnily enough we'd have drawn had it not been for 2 individual errors by the supreme sears. ( Who is no longer here ) but each to their own of course
It wasn't the first time certain players have not appreciated a direct approach, thankfullly those players are no longer here. Of course some may remain, but the main ones have gone already.
I agree on the coaching side to an extent, GK Coach and Jeffers I accept due to their experiences, but Roberts and Cranie? I just don't understand. I guess it will just be something we have to trust but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else come in, Im not a fan of no assistant manager, I think he's leaving it open for Leam incase it doesn't work at Wigan, otherwise I don't understand him leaving it free. |
I guess the problem is the dead cat bounce, a bounce where not only did we get good results but, Accrington aside, put in decent performances as well. What happened for us to fall apart so utterly and completely, so quickly as well? Do I personally think Cook, publicly, went about it the right way? Do I think him losing it so quickly benefited the club? No - very similar to Hurst post Exeter (which I was pleased about at the time rather than seeing the impact it had). That’s not to say the players are guilt free, just that Cook is not completely innocent. That’s not to say he isn’t the best man for the job, especially if the revamp brings in our top targets.
And the lack of assistant manager concerns me. I feel Richardson was maybe a calming influence on Cook who managed to curb his more excitable excesses. Without him we need someone else who Cook can vent to and bounce ideas off as, at the end of last season, all he had was a reporter’s microphone. | |
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