| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n/t) 18:01 - Jun 16 with 26153 views | BryanPlug |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:52 - Jun 18 with 1869 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:46 - Jun 18 by chrismakin |
Right.
So really we shouldn't have sacked Lambert then? Even though we were awful for 3 months.
Should Bristol city not have sacked their gaffa as he lost 6 out of 10 or something similar.. but were only 6 points off play offs when they did.. because of the excellent start they had.. |
No, we should have sacked Lambert in December 2019
Not sure what any of that has to do with my view that we were dreadful under Cook last year though |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:55 - Jun 18 with 1846 views | jayessess |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:34 - Jun 18 by Churchman |
I think there are too many factors at play to say that. I was disappointed we didn’t get closer to the playoffs, but i think lumping Cook in with PL and Gill is unfair. It wasn’t his team or players. Lambert had a transfer window when he arrived and spent it watching his Celtic video. Cook had nothing but a disgruntled shower who knew the party was over. Not fit, not interested, not professional in any way.
To hold three scraped results up as some kind of measure is daft in my view. What about the months of horror that preceded them? You could argue that if the win the day he was appointed wasn’t down to him (it wasn’t) was the Gillingham hiding 4 days later? You could argue that only 6 of the last 16 games were at home and this distorted things and so it goes on. It’s too small a measure. We will know in the autumn whether we are going the right way and if he can do it.
The reality is that this was not the best squad in the league. 9th and 11th proves that. They were abject. An insult to the supporters. They reflected what the club had become under Evans. Cook was wrong to blow his stack publicly in my view, but I understand why he did. Even in the famous win at mighty Accrington they were run ragged by 10 men. They were an awful gutless team in an appalling league. I’m still happy to see the lot go, but of course concerned about how quickly a real team can be put together. |
I've hardly made a firm judgement on the man in that post though, have I? It's full of "might be" and hopes that he'll be better with his team and his players?
The only concrete statement is that he didn't get any more out of that group of players than Lambert and Gill did, which is just objectively true. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:59 - Jun 18 with 1830 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:52 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No, we should have sacked Lambert in December 2019
Not sure what any of that has to do with my view that we were dreadful under Cook last year though |
No one is questioning how bad the games were under PC
What is ignored however is that it's no different at all to what was served up by the previous manager with 0 training hours in comparison. More compacted games with unfit. Mentally effected players which included players looking to move on. Players uninterested in where town finished as it had no effect on them. Etc etc
I'll leave it there as this has been said many times and last season is done with.
But people do really need to ignore last season and look ahead to the new and judge what happens from the start of the season. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:19 - Jun 18 with 1797 views | ITFC_96 |
It's definitely not going to plan. We've not even signed a quarter of the players yet. If this continues, we are going to have to reject offers for players who have been told to find new clubs and who Cook has apparently told to not even attend the pre-season. That will be somewhat embarrassing if it happens. |  | | |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:20 - Jun 18 with 1788 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:19 - Jun 18 by ITFC_96 |
It's definitely not going to plan. We've not even signed a quarter of the players yet. If this continues, we are going to have to reject offers for players who have been told to find new clubs and who Cook has apparently told to not even attend the pre-season. That will be somewhat embarrassing if it happens. |
"It's definitely not going to plan"
who's plan, what plan, what timeline? | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:22 - Jun 18 with 1778 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:59 - Jun 18 by chrismakin |
No one is questioning how bad the games were under PC
What is ignored however is that it's no different at all to what was served up by the previous manager with 0 training hours in comparison. More compacted games with unfit. Mentally effected players which included players looking to move on. Players uninterested in where town finished as it had no effect on them. Etc etc
I'll leave it there as this has been said many times and last season is done with.
But people do really need to ignore last season and look ahead to the new and judge what happens from the start of the season. |
But it was worse than what was served up under the previous manager, by any quantifiable measure | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:23 - Jun 18 with 1777 views | ITFC_96 |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:20 - Jun 18 by chrismakin |
"It's definitely not going to plan"
who's plan, what plan, what timeline? |
I mean, the plan where apparently only 10% of the squad is being kept on... | | | |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:26 - Jun 18 with 1756 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:22 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
But it was worse than what was served up under the previous manager, by any quantifiable measure |
apart from it wasn't ;) | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:27 - Jun 18 with 1750 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:23 - Jun 18 by ITFC_96 |
I mean, the plan where apparently only 10% of the squad is being kept on... |
Transfer window hasn't closed yet | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 17:02 - Jun 18 with 1671 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 14:22 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
But it was worse than what was served up under the previous manager, by any quantifiable measure |
It's just totally black and white with you, isn't? Absolutely no nuance, context, mitigation, nothing. Cook should've done better and that's that - despite the players having given up, mentally and physically tired, many with their heads on the beach or in their next clubs due to contracts ending, no transfer window to change anything, massive upheaval of off-field staff, virtually no time for training in any meaningful sense, a drawn-out takeover and all the uncertainty that brings, a raft of loans who'd just come in and weren't any better...
But no, none of that matters, Cook done bad booooo |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:45 - Jun 18 with 1590 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 17:02 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's just totally black and white with you, isn't? Absolutely no nuance, context, mitigation, nothing. Cook should've done better and that's that - despite the players having given up, mentally and physically tired, many with their heads on the beach or in their next clubs due to contracts ending, no transfer window to change anything, massive upheaval of off-field staff, virtually no time for training in any meaningful sense, a drawn-out takeover and all the uncertainty that brings, a raft of loans who'd just come in and weren't any better...
But no, none of that matters, Cook done bad booooo |
Wait, are you still arguing that getting less points and scoring less goals didn’t mean things got worse under Cook, or just that the manager absolutely definitely had nothing to do with that?
Just so I know which ridiculous point it is that I’m actually debating here | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 09:05 - Jun 19 with 1472 views | BryanPlug |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:41 - Jun 18 by chrismakin |
It's been obvious that's the case for months but it wouldnt be accepted.
Of course there is a big squad clear out. And people quoting Brett's 10% I dont see him being accurate with 4.3 players being kept. It's more of a general overview that a large clearout is underway and it already has been without more so far. |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 09:36 - Jun 19 with 1425 views | colchesterchris |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:59 - Jun 18 by chrismakin |
No one is questioning how bad the games were under PC
What is ignored however is that it's no different at all to what was served up by the previous manager with 0 training hours in comparison. More compacted games with unfit. Mentally effected players which included players looking to move on. Players uninterested in where town finished as it had no effect on them. Etc etc
I'll leave it there as this has been said many times and last season is done with.
But people do really need to ignore last season and look ahead to the new and judge what happens from the start of the season. |
When you sack a new manager mid-season, it’s strange to see ‘no different at all to what was served up under the previous manager’ being used as a positive! | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 09:47 - Jun 19 with 1402 views | dirtyboy |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:45 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Wait, are you still arguing that getting less points and scoring less goals didn’t mean things got worse under Cook, or just that the manager absolutely definitely had nothing to do with that?
Just so I know which ridiculous point it is that I’m actually debating here |
I’m sort of joining this, because whilst numbers don’t lie, in terms of what’s being argued, context is everything.
Has there ever been a manager who has kept all of the players they’ve inherited? Likely no, why, because every manager will like different attributes that suit their coaching philosophy. Cook would have obviously tried and you could argue he failed, but he was working with a group of players unlikely to get promoted or relegated who had little to no idea what was being done with their contracts and whilst some fight, some don’t and when you have different attitudes you have issues.
We all hoped Cook would have done better but he didn’t but there are 100% some mitigating circumstances. |  | | |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 10:00 - Jun 19 with 1366 views | Keaneish |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 09:47 - Jun 19 by dirtyboy |
I’m sort of joining this, because whilst numbers don’t lie, in terms of what’s being argued, context is everything.
Has there ever been a manager who has kept all of the players they’ve inherited? Likely no, why, because every manager will like different attributes that suit their coaching philosophy. Cook would have obviously tried and you could argue he failed, but he was working with a group of players unlikely to get promoted or relegated who had little to no idea what was being done with their contracts and whilst some fight, some don’t and when you have different attitudes you have issues.
We all hoped Cook would have done better but he didn’t but there are 100% some mitigating circumstances. |
Context isn’t Healy’s strong point though, he’s very black and white.
I’m in agreement with you. We all would have like Cook to have done better and by his own admission, he tried to get the players playing to their strengths rather than the system initially, which didn’t work. It’s very evident now the mess the club was in so laying everything at Cook’s door is an overly simplistic argument. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 10:12 - Jun 19 with 1343 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 09:36 - Jun 19 by colchesterchris |
When you sack a new manager mid-season, it’s strange to see ‘no different at all to what was served up under the previous manager’ being used as a positive! |
I don't think anyone's used it as a positive and it was at the end of the season, not mid, but apart from that you're spot on. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 10:14 - Jun 19 with 1337 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 22:45 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Wait, are you still arguing that getting less points and scoring less goals didn’t mean things got worse under Cook, or just that the manager absolutely definitely had nothing to do with that?
Just so I know which ridiculous point it is that I’m actually debating here |
I'm writing in plain English so if you're not getting it there's not much I can do to help you really. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 11:57 - Jun 19 with 1280 views | NeedhamChris |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 10:12 - Jun 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think anyone's used it as a positive and it was at the end of the season, not mid, but apart from that you're spot on. |
He may have used the wrong word with positive, but it’s definitely been used as a defence.
Would also have said mid-season, but that’s just semantics | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:01 - Jun 19 with 1278 views | BryanPlug |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 09:36 - Jun 19 by colchesterchris |
When you sack a new manager mid-season, it’s strange to see ‘no different at all to what was served up under the previous manager’ being used as a positive! |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:09 - Jun 19 with 1254 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 11:57 - Jun 19 by NeedhamChris |
He may have used the wrong word with positive, but it’s definitely been used as a defence.
Would also have said mid-season, but that’s just semantics |
Ok. So 2 managers before cook couldnt get anything from the squad.
The third goes in and the same thing happens. Isnt that the wakeup call that proves the players were the problem.
Lambert gets part blame and deserved to go as he extended contracts and brought in some of the squad and failed with it over time. PC had no choice but to use the squad with its severe limitations. He tried nicey nicey. Didnt work. He used the same side in the same formation it didnt work. Tried different players in 4 4 2. 3 5 2 didnt work. Tried directness. Didnt work.
Ignoring all this family stuff. Facts are 5 if our first team are going or gone to league 2. Others bar Dozzell to other league 1 sides. And yet to see where others end yo. But most likely only downes moving to a champ club. All others? League 1/2. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:17 - Jun 19 with 1230 views | NeedhamChris |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:09 - Jun 19 by chrismakin |
Ok. So 2 managers before cook couldnt get anything from the squad.
The third goes in and the same thing happens. Isnt that the wakeup call that proves the players were the problem.
Lambert gets part blame and deserved to go as he extended contracts and brought in some of the squad and failed with it over time. PC had no choice but to use the squad with its severe limitations. He tried nicey nicey. Didnt work. He used the same side in the same formation it didnt work. Tried different players in 4 4 2. 3 5 2 didnt work. Tried directness. Didnt work.
Ignoring all this family stuff. Facts are 5 if our first team are going or gone to league 2. Others bar Dozzell to other league 1 sides. And yet to see where others end yo. But most likely only downes moving to a champ club. All others? League 1/2. |
You thought Cook had plenty to work with when he started, and so did he. He then performed poorly and ever since it’s been 100% the players in your eyes. I’m not saying they’re innocent, but to say Cook has no responsibility for the poor end to the season i think is absurd | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:18 - Jun 19 with 1222 views | pointofblue |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:09 - Jun 19 by chrismakin |
Ok. So 2 managers before cook couldnt get anything from the squad.
The third goes in and the same thing happens. Isnt that the wakeup call that proves the players were the problem.
Lambert gets part blame and deserved to go as he extended contracts and brought in some of the squad and failed with it over time. PC had no choice but to use the squad with its severe limitations. He tried nicey nicey. Didnt work. He used the same side in the same formation it didnt work. Tried different players in 4 4 2. 3 5 2 didnt work. Tried directness. Didnt work.
Ignoring all this family stuff. Facts are 5 if our first team are going or gone to league 2. Others bar Dozzell to other league 1 sides. And yet to see where others end yo. But most likely only downes moving to a champ club. All others? League 1/2. |
A lower end Championship team may take a punt on Woolfenden if the price is right but otherwise I agree on where the players will end up. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:23 - Jun 19 with 1200 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:17 - Jun 19 by NeedhamChris |
You thought Cook had plenty to work with when he started, and so did he. He then performed poorly and ever since it’s been 100% the players in your eyes. I’m not saying they’re innocent, but to say Cook has no responsibility for the poor end to the season i think is absurd |
Not at all I wasnt one of these best squads on paper posters. I did however feel we struggled with goals in a 4 2 3 1 formation but played safe and failed to do anything in the final third. Being a 4 2 3 1 man I felt PC and the way he likes to play compared to Lambert would basically get the players to player higher up. Faster and with more players in the box.
Sadly our squad couldnt do it. Fitness. Desire. Ability? No one knows other than what had happened all through the season was still happening and there was nothing that could have been done that would have changed the way the end of season went. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:28 - Jun 19 with 1191 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:18 - Jun 19 by pointofblue |
A lower end Championship team may take a punt on Woolfenden if the price is right but otherwise I agree on where the players will end up. |
Still go this feeling wolfy will stay.
He seems like a good egg who has that desire to work on himself. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:35 - Jun 19 with 1174 views | saffers12 |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:28 - Jun 19 by chrismakin |
Still go this feeling wolfy will stay.
He seems like a good egg who has that desire to work on himself. |
I agree want him to stay pointless replacing |  | | |
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