| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n/t) 18:01 - Jun 16 with 26168 views | BryanPlug |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:04 - Jun 18 with 1166 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 10:24 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
“And I think Cook's 16 games brought a very similar amount of points to Lambert's last 16”
Apart from us averaging half a point per game less, and being 7th in the table when he arrived compared to 19th in the table for the period he managed us of course. And that was a slate of fixtures which includes games against the bottom 8, plus another 3 in the bottom half, from 16 games
Even on the goalscoring front yes we hardly prolific, but we were at least averaging more than a goal a game. I don’t think I need to post the stats under Cook here…
But obviously if you ignore all that we did just as well, and definitely didn’t get worse in any way shape or form
EDIT: just realised you were referring to Lamberts last 16 games for some reason, but we got more points in those too, so the point stands [Post edited 18 Jun 2021 10:27]
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Not a surprise to see you pluck on bit of a post by me to jump onto. You've been doing it for years. And even then you didn't read it properly.
I said "I think" - I wasn't sure, but had seen something along the lines of them being similar. makin has now confirmed what I had in my head - "It is known Walker and gill took the last 3 games of Lamberts time here. The 16 games before that he got 18 points the same as PC."
So yes, if you take Lambert's last 16 with Cook's first 16 (a fair enough way to judge both IMO) the records are almost identical.
Averaging more than a goal a game under Lambert?! Can you provide a link to those stats because that doesn't sound right. We struggled to score all season and were amongst the relegation strugglers in terms of goals scored - before Cook came in.
This revisionism of how bad Lambert was is breathtaking. And no, I don't believe we got worse under Cook. We were just as bad... because guess what, all the players were exactly the same and Cook barely had any time to train with them. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:28 - Jun 18 with 1093 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 10:47 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No, the point I was making was that the team performed far worse after Cook arrived than it did before. Which it undoubtedly did - unless of course you choose to just ignore all the good results and focus on the bad ones
We also never had 4 0-0 draws out of 5 under Lambert last season, in fact we only had 3 during the whole season - so no idea where that one has come from
Norwood played in 10 of Cook’s 16 games. He only played in 16 of the 30 league games prior to that - so Cook had the luxury of playing Norwood more often than his predecessor too |
It's just absolute nonsense that the team "performed far worse after Cook arrived."
It was much of a muchness. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:30 - Jun 18 with 1088 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:04 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not a surprise to see you pluck on bit of a post by me to jump onto. You've been doing it for years. And even then you didn't read it properly.
I said "I think" - I wasn't sure, but had seen something along the lines of them being similar. makin has now confirmed what I had in my head - "It is known Walker and gill took the last 3 games of Lamberts time here. The 16 games before that he got 18 points the same as PC."
So yes, if you take Lambert's last 16 with Cook's first 16 (a fair enough way to judge both IMO) the records are almost identical.
Averaging more than a goal a game under Lambert?! Can you provide a link to those stats because that doesn't sound right. We struggled to score all season and were amongst the relegation strugglers in terms of goals scored - before Cook came in.
This revisionism of how bad Lambert was is breathtaking. And no, I don't believe we got worse under Cook. We were just as bad... because guess what, all the players were exactly the same and Cook barely had any time to train with them. |
Lamberts last 16 games accrued more points than Cooks last 16, you can’t just decide some games don’t count to make your comment suddenly correct
Do I have a link for the goals averaged? Yes - it’s there at the top under fixtures. We had scored 35 from 30 prior to Cook’s arrival, or 33 from 29 to get a Lambert figure seeing as he wasn’t in the dugout at Accrington. Even using your massaged approach of ignoring the wins before that we had 30 from 27. Those figures were poor and in the bottom half (not relegation level though), so what does that say about them getting markedly worse under Cook in the final 16 games?
No revisionism here, Lambert was utterly cack. Which again makes us getting even worse under Cook quite the achievement
Finally spare the whole victim thing Dollers FFS, you get jumped on because you regularly post rubbish |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:33 - Jun 18 with 1077 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:28 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's just absolute nonsense that the team "performed far worse after Cook arrived."
It was much of a muchness. |
Well yes, if you ignore us getting less points, scoring less goals, and exclude some random games to make your argument work then yes, it’s absolute nonsense! | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:37 - Jun 18 with 1056 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:30 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Lamberts last 16 games accrued more points than Cooks last 16, you can’t just decide some games don’t count to make your comment suddenly correct
Do I have a link for the goals averaged? Yes - it’s there at the top under fixtures. We had scored 35 from 30 prior to Cook’s arrival, or 33 from 29 to get a Lambert figure seeing as he wasn’t in the dugout at Accrington. Even using your massaged approach of ignoring the wins before that we had 30 from 27. Those figures were poor and in the bottom half (not relegation level though), so what does that say about them getting markedly worse under Cook in the final 16 games?
No revisionism here, Lambert was utterly cack. Which again makes us getting even worse under Cook quite the achievement
Finally spare the whole victim thing Dollers FFS, you get jumped on because you regularly post rubbish |
But if Gill and Walker were in change, as most people except including Joe and Phil I might add, then how can you count them towards Lambert's stats?!
The reason you take stats in isolation is because of context and nuance, something you aren't very good at. Lambert had great starts... because the players were fit enough to do what he wanted. Two years in a row the same thing happened and we reverted to type - but those early wins clearly skew Lambert's stats. Cook hasn't had a start to compare with.
There's no massaging - it's being fair with the data you have available. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:38 - Jun 18 with 1052 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:33 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Well yes, if you ignore us getting less points, scoring less goals, and exclude some random games to make your argument work then yes, it’s absolute nonsense! |
It's not excluding random games though. It's excluding games when Lambert wasn't in charge. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:43 - Jun 18 with 1020 views | pointofblue |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:38 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not excluding random games though. It's excluding games when Lambert wasn't in charge. |
In fairness, saying Cook wasn’t any worse than Lambert is hardly a ringing endorsement. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:47 - Jun 18 with 992 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:43 - Jun 18 by pointofblue |
In fairness, saying Cook wasn’t any worse than Lambert is hardly a ringing endorsement. |
I'm not saying it is. I'm saying the reasons clearly sit with the players if a decent manager comes in and they still do no better.
The only way we can judge Cook is when he gets his own players in, has time to train them in his methods, and plays some games with them! | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:06 - Jun 18 with 946 views | jayessess |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:47 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not saying it is. I'm saying the reasons clearly sit with the players if a decent manager comes in and they still do no better.
The only way we can judge Cook is when he gets his own players in, has time to train them in his methods, and plays some games with them! |
We can form a judgement on some aspects of the job, can't we?
To succeed at the end of the season, he needed to:
- improvise well with players who weren't right for his style of play
- get strong performances out of players unsure about their future and unsure about him
We can surmise that he wasn't able to do either of those things any better than Lambert or Matt Gill could. Doesn't mean he's a write off and his other skills won't turn out to be brilliant for us, but it does mean there's some parts of a manager's skillset he might not be strong in. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:09 - Jun 18 with 932 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:37 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
But if Gill and Walker were in change, as most people except including Joe and Phil I might add, then how can you count them towards Lambert's stats?!
The reason you take stats in isolation is because of context and nuance, something you aren't very good at. Lambert had great starts... because the players were fit enough to do what he wanted. Two years in a row the same thing happened and we reverted to type - but those early wins clearly skew Lambert's stats. Cook hasn't had a start to compare with.
There's no massaging - it's being fair with the data you have available. |
No, Lambert was our manager until 28th Feb. His last 16 games were Charlton (H) - Doncaster (H), which netted 22 points
Those are facts - any divergence is absolutely just changing the figures to suit an argument | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:14 - Jun 18 with 914 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:06 - Jun 18 by jayessess |
We can form a judgement on some aspects of the job, can't we?
To succeed at the end of the season, he needed to:
- improvise well with players who weren't right for his style of play
- get strong performances out of players unsure about their future and unsure about him
We can surmise that he wasn't able to do either of those things any better than Lambert or Matt Gill could. Doesn't mean he's a write off and his other skills won't turn out to be brilliant for us, but it does mean there's some parts of a manager's skillset he might not be strong in. |
Not turning a sow's ear into a silk person, overnight? No I agree, he wasn't very good at that. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:17 - Jun 18 with 892 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:06 - Jun 18 by jayessess |
We can form a judgement on some aspects of the job, can't we?
To succeed at the end of the season, he needed to:
- improvise well with players who weren't right for his style of play
- get strong performances out of players unsure about their future and unsure about him
We can surmise that he wasn't able to do either of those things any better than Lambert or Matt Gill could. Doesn't mean he's a write off and his other skills won't turn out to be brilliant for us, but it does mean there's some parts of a manager's skillset he might not be strong in. |
100% this
I think Cook will get it right*, his track record suggests he knows what he is doing and seemingly will have the backing to do so. However none of that means we should pretend that his 16 games last season were anything other than p*ss poor, because they weren’t. But that will end up being irrelevant if he succeeds
*although I do have a nagging fear that our new owners could be quite trigger happy, and a combination of a slow start and last years performance could see him on a short leash… 😬 | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:20 - Jun 18 with 885 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 09:47 - Jun 17 by clive_baker |
Not particularly. We may have missed out on players, we may not, but no club is going to sign every one if its targets, it doesn't work like that. You have to put a few prospect in the top of the hopper to get one out down the bottom.
It's a bit like waiting for a bus, you wait ages for one and then 2 or 3 will rock up in very quick succession.
As we sit here today we've still got our #1 keeper (albeit hopefully we can upgrade), we've got a fit KVY, Woolfy, Nolan, Harper imminent, Downes, Evans, Bishop, Burns, Dobra, El Miz, Norwood, Jackson. We've got rid of a lot of the dross we needed to that were eating up some punchy salaries, and no doubt more of those will 100% move on, but we can do that as and when we have the replacements. There are certainly gaps, especially defensively, but it's not panic stations. See where we're at in 3 or 4 weeks I say, I would wager we'll have a fair few more in by then. |
The problem is, the majority of the players you mention below - aside from Evans, Burns and seemingly Norwood, KVY and maybe a couple of others - have been told their available to leave.
It's all well and good saying we've still got them around, but if they've been told to leave, they're barely going to break sweat for Cook (which I mentioned yesterday).
Joe seems to be getting a fair bit of stick lately, but I certainly see where he is coming from. It's all well and good ripping it up and starting again, but we head in to pre-season next Saturday with just 2 new players. Heck, I've even see people say 'we don't need players till August', and if people truly believe that, were fu cked .. because if that's the case, it'll be a slow start to the season, with a dysfunctional team who has barely trained/played together and we'll be in a worse position than we finished last season.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling it a disaster just yet, but things really do need to start taking shape, otherwise Cook will go in to the new season with one hand behind his back and no doubt gone by Xmas if we're not where we should be according to the owners. [Post edited 18 Jun 2021 13:20]
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:24 - Jun 18 with 845 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:20 - Jun 18 by Kieran_Knows |
The problem is, the majority of the players you mention below - aside from Evans, Burns and seemingly Norwood, KVY and maybe a couple of others - have been told their available to leave.
It's all well and good saying we've still got them around, but if they've been told to leave, they're barely going to break sweat for Cook (which I mentioned yesterday).
Joe seems to be getting a fair bit of stick lately, but I certainly see where he is coming from. It's all well and good ripping it up and starting again, but we head in to pre-season next Saturday with just 2 new players. Heck, I've even see people say 'we don't need players till August', and if people truly believe that, were fu cked .. because if that's the case, it'll be a slow start to the season, with a dysfunctional team who has barely trained/played together and we'll be in a worse position than we finished last season.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling it a disaster just yet, but things really do need to start taking shape, otherwise Cook will go in to the new season with one hand behind his back and no doubt gone by Xmas if we're not where we should be according to the owners. [Post edited 18 Jun 2021 13:20]
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Indeed. As it stands, by my reckoning we basically have a ‘wanted’ first XI that looks something like this:
GK-KVY-LB-CB-CB-Evans-CM-Burns-AM-LM-Norwood
Arguably Woolf and Downes could be part of that too although I’m guessing not from noises around the club, and perhaps even Norwood is seen as an option rather than our main striker
We need to start filling in some of those blanks fairly quickly, without a doubt
That said - I fully expect to see 4-5 signings arriving in the next week or so, in which case panic over | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:24 - Jun 18 with 846 views | Beckets |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:17 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
100% this
I think Cook will get it right*, his track record suggests he knows what he is doing and seemingly will have the backing to do so. However none of that means we should pretend that his 16 games last season were anything other than p*ss poor, because they weren’t. But that will end up being irrelevant if he succeeds
*although I do have a nagging fear that our new owners could be quite trigger happy, and a combination of a slow start and last years performance could see him on a short leash… 😬 |
Yes I'm pretty sure if the results of the first 16 games of next season match Cook's first 16 games in charge he'll be looking for a new job. |  | | |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:25 - Jun 18 with 841 views | jayessess |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:14 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not turning a sow's ear into a silk person, overnight? No I agree, he wasn't very good at that. |
Turning a team that beat Rochdale, Shrewsbury and Wigan in the Autumn into a team capable of beating Rochdale, Shrewsbury and Wigan in the Spring is hardly miracle-worker stuff, is it?
Some managers are good at taking a poor group of players and finding ways of getting more out of them. Cook doesn't seem to be. Acknowledging that doesn't mean he won't ultimately do well for us and hopefully his other skills will shine through this year. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:29 - Jun 18 with 809 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 12:01 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We also only won 3 games in which Norwood played under Cook too…
And we weren’t 7th in early March because we won 3 games in a row, we were 7th as we’d gained the 7th most points over the 30 games played in the season. And then we finished lower and further away from the playoffs, as we gained the 19th most points in the table from there on out |
And we weren’t 7th in early March because we won 3 games in a row, we were 7th as we’d gained the 7th most points over the 30 games played in the season.
We were 16th in the form table between November and the day Lambert was sacked.. that is not playoff form not even close.those 3 games in isolation had us 1 point from 6th. It's incredible how you have ignored basically 3 months of results under Lambert. [Post edited 18 Jun 2021 13:30]
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:34 - Jun 18 with 785 views | Churchman |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:06 - Jun 18 by jayessess |
We can form a judgement on some aspects of the job, can't we?
To succeed at the end of the season, he needed to:
- improvise well with players who weren't right for his style of play
- get strong performances out of players unsure about their future and unsure about him
We can surmise that he wasn't able to do either of those things any better than Lambert or Matt Gill could. Doesn't mean he's a write off and his other skills won't turn out to be brilliant for us, but it does mean there's some parts of a manager's skillset he might not be strong in. |
I think there are too many factors at play to say that. I was disappointed we didn’t get closer to the playoffs, but i think lumping Cook in with PL and Gill is unfair. It wasn’t his team or players. Lambert had a transfer window when he arrived and spent it watching his Celtic video. Cook had nothing but a disgruntled shower who knew the party was over. Not fit, not interested, not professional in any way.
To hold three scraped results up as some kind of measure is daft in my view. What about the months of horror that preceded them? You could argue that if the win the day he was appointed wasn’t down to him (it wasn’t) was the Gillingham hiding 4 days later? You could argue that only 6 of the last 16 games were at home and this distorted things and so it goes on. It’s too small a measure. We will know in the autumn whether we are going the right way and if he can do it.
The reality is that this was not the best squad in the league. 9th and 11th proves that. They were abject. An insult to the supporters. They reflected what the club had become under Evans. Cook was wrong to blow his stack publicly in my view, but I understand why he did. Even in the famous win at mighty Accrington they were run ragged by 10 men. They were an awful gutless team in an appalling league. I’m still happy to see the lot go, but of course concerned about how quickly a real team can be put together. |  | | |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:36 - Jun 18 with 777 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:20 - Jun 18 by Kieran_Knows |
The problem is, the majority of the players you mention below - aside from Evans, Burns and seemingly Norwood, KVY and maybe a couple of others - have been told their available to leave.
It's all well and good saying we've still got them around, but if they've been told to leave, they're barely going to break sweat for Cook (which I mentioned yesterday).
Joe seems to be getting a fair bit of stick lately, but I certainly see where he is coming from. It's all well and good ripping it up and starting again, but we head in to pre-season next Saturday with just 2 new players. Heck, I've even see people say 'we don't need players till August', and if people truly believe that, were fu cked .. because if that's the case, it'll be a slow start to the season, with a dysfunctional team who has barely trained/played together and we'll be in a worse position than we finished last season.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling it a disaster just yet, but things really do need to start taking shape, otherwise Cook will go in to the new season with one hand behind his back and no doubt gone by Xmas if we're not where we should be according to the owners. [Post edited 18 Jun 2021 13:20]
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But people are panicking for no reason
" wigan are in for the same players. Look at them" sort of thing. When theres nothing to suggest we wre in for the same players or even shopping in the same place.
Someone mentioned on a other thread about harper being signed and part of that thread was players training with us before announcements were made. We could have 4 or 5 signed and no one knows yet
As mentioned yesturday going back through the Bristol City forum. Ashton likes to keep things very very close to his chest and most of their signings were never even linked before being announced. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:37 - Jun 18 with 769 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:29 - Jun 18 by chrismakin |
And we weren’t 7th in early March because we won 3 games in a row, we were 7th as we’d gained the 7th most points over the 30 games played in the season.
We were 16th in the form table between November and the day Lambert was sacked.. that is not playoff form not even close.those 3 games in isolation had us 1 point from 6th. It's incredible how you have ignored basically 3 months of results under Lambert. [Post edited 18 Jun 2021 13:30]
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No, we were 7th because we’d gained more points over 30 games than most of the other teams. That’s how league tables work
I have no idea exactly what dates you’ve selected for your other figures as using the calculator on here I’m not getting us 16th, but even if I assume that’s correct all you’ve really shown is that we still managed to do even worse under Cook than a cherry picked dreadful run under Lambert | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:38 - Jun 18 with 766 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:34 - Jun 18 by Churchman |
I think there are too many factors at play to say that. I was disappointed we didn’t get closer to the playoffs, but i think lumping Cook in with PL and Gill is unfair. It wasn’t his team or players. Lambert had a transfer window when he arrived and spent it watching his Celtic video. Cook had nothing but a disgruntled shower who knew the party was over. Not fit, not interested, not professional in any way.
To hold three scraped results up as some kind of measure is daft in my view. What about the months of horror that preceded them? You could argue that if the win the day he was appointed wasn’t down to him (it wasn’t) was the Gillingham hiding 4 days later? You could argue that only 6 of the last 16 games were at home and this distorted things and so it goes on. It’s too small a measure. We will know in the autumn whether we are going the right way and if he can do it.
The reality is that this was not the best squad in the league. 9th and 11th proves that. They were abject. An insult to the supporters. They reflected what the club had become under Evans. Cook was wrong to blow his stack publicly in my view, but I understand why he did. Even in the famous win at mighty Accrington they were run ragged by 10 men. They were an awful gutless team in an appalling league. I’m still happy to see the lot go, but of course concerned about how quickly a real team can be put together. |
People find it easy to say PC couldnt get the players to work.
There was barely any training sessions available. 2 games each week. Players incapable of doing more with their bodies.
It's not a shock we struggled through the end of season. If Lambert was here or even Gill and Walker the season would have finished the same way. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:38 - Jun 18 with 768 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:36 - Jun 18 by chrismakin |
But people are panicking for no reason
" wigan are in for the same players. Look at them" sort of thing. When theres nothing to suggest we wre in for the same players or even shopping in the same place.
Someone mentioned on a other thread about harper being signed and part of that thread was players training with us before announcements were made. We could have 4 or 5 signed and no one knows yet
As mentioned yesturday going back through the Bristol City forum. Ashton likes to keep things very very close to his chest and most of their signings were never even linked before being announced. |
I don't give 2 hoots what about what other sides are doing. I care about what were doing, and with the whole squad basically up for sale, we've got 2 replacements. Whichever way you look at it, that isn't enough.
All being well, 3-4 players next week and it'll look a lot better, albeit we still need several more, but things need to get moving along. That's all. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:39 - Jun 18 with 759 views | hype313 |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:20 - Jun 18 by Kieran_Knows |
The problem is, the majority of the players you mention below - aside from Evans, Burns and seemingly Norwood, KVY and maybe a couple of others - have been told their available to leave.
It's all well and good saying we've still got them around, but if they've been told to leave, they're barely going to break sweat for Cook (which I mentioned yesterday).
Joe seems to be getting a fair bit of stick lately, but I certainly see where he is coming from. It's all well and good ripping it up and starting again, but we head in to pre-season next Saturday with just 2 new players. Heck, I've even see people say 'we don't need players till August', and if people truly believe that, were fu cked .. because if that's the case, it'll be a slow start to the season, with a dysfunctional team who has barely trained/played together and we'll be in a worse position than we finished last season.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling it a disaster just yet, but things really do need to start taking shape, otherwise Cook will go in to the new season with one hand behind his back and no doubt gone by Xmas if we're not where we should be according to the owners. [Post edited 18 Jun 2021 13:20]
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I think reading between the lines from BM and KOA and Alan Lee's comments that actually the line Cook said about everyone can leave was actually a call to arms for the ones that want to stay and fight, sounds more plausible that he is trying to flush out the one's that really don't want to use his words as fire in belly's. |  |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:41 - Jun 18 with 739 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:39 - Jun 18 by hype313 |
I think reading between the lines from BM and KOA and Alan Lee's comments that actually the line Cook said about everyone can leave was actually a call to arms for the ones that want to stay and fight, sounds more plausible that he is trying to flush out the one's that really don't want to use his words as fire in belly's. |
It's been obvious that's the case for months but it wouldnt be accepted.
Of course there is a big squad clear out. And people quoting Brett's 10% I dont see him being accurate with 4.3 players being kept. It's more of a general overview that a large clearout is underway and it already has been without more so far. | |
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| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:46 - Jun 18 with 713 views | chrismakin |
| Anyone getting the feeling this squad rebuilding isn’t quite going to plan? (n on 13:37 - Jun 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No, we were 7th because we’d gained more points over 30 games than most of the other teams. That’s how league tables work
I have no idea exactly what dates you’ve selected for your other figures as using the calculator on here I’m not getting us 16th, but even if I assume that’s correct all you’ve really shown is that we still managed to do even worse under Cook than a cherry picked dreadful run under Lambert |
Right.
So really we shouldn't have sacked Lambert then? Even though we were awful for 3 months.
Should Bristol city not have sacked their gaffa as he lost 6 out of 10 or something similar.. but were only 6 points off play offs when they did.. because of the excellent start they had.. | |
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