| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast 08:24 - Jun 18 with 8770 views | Dubtractor |
Crikey, to say he gives a damning critique of the Evans era is an understatement.
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:59 - Jun 18 with 1989 views | Parsley |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:22 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Must be Warnock - a previous manager with 2 promotions to PL |
He would have been at Cardiff at the time so the timing would be a bit strange. The only others that I can see are Dave Jones who would have been out of work for a while or Simon Grayson which probably makes the most sense |  | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 14:04 - Jun 18 with 1974 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:59 - Jun 18 by Parsley |
He would have been at Cardiff at the time so the timing would be a bit strange. The only others that I can see are Dave Jones who would have been out of work for a while or Simon Grayson which probably makes the most sense |
It's Pardew. Would have know Alan Lee from Palace. |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 14:15 - Jun 18 with 1939 views | Parsley |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 14:04 - Jun 18 by Cheltenham_Blue |
It's Pardew. Would have know Alan Lee from Palace. |
I thought he said one of his previous managers but I could see that, has 2 promotions so fits that side of things | | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 14:17 - Jun 18 with 1929 views | IP4_Blue |
Just listened to Part 2 very good!
Sounds like he didn't like Lambert too
Thankfully now we have new owners with a proper structure |  | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 14:30 - Jun 18 with 1888 views | davblue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:00 - Jun 18 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I have to say, having just listened to it, it confirmed exactly what a great number of us were saying repeatedly, and getting shot down for.
The most damning indictment for me was that under ME the place had become completely unprofessional, some people were still doing their jobs, but a good number weren't.
It was so obvious that the 5 point plan was nothing but platitudes, and I was one that suggested that there was something rotten in the club, only to be shot down by several posters.
The one thing that really got me from that interview, was I actually started to feel a bit sorry for Hurst, and it confirmed my suspicions at the time, that maybe Hurst wasn't running the sales of Waghorn, Garner, Webster et al and replacing with L1 and L2 talent, but it was being driven by Evans as a wage cutting exercise that Hurst said he could manage with.
The Banter Era. |
It might not be better under the new ownership but Evans has been negligent to say the least. |  | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 15:09 - Jun 18 with 1837 views | HARRY10 |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:20 - Jun 18 by RegencyBlue |
It is damning but no more so than an article I recall reading in Turnstile Blues years ago when they interviewed various anonymous employees during the Clegg era. It was, from memory, exactly the same sort of stuff.
It was obvious for years that Evans was destroying the club, on and off the pitch, but for some reason large numbers of our support base just would not see what was as plain as day.
Those of us who were calling Evans out for years, and who took some stick on here whilst doing it, were completely justified! |
"It was obvious for years that Evans was destroying the club, on and off the pitch, but for some reason large numbers of our support base just would not see what was as plain as day."
They had the sheep like bleat of 'he is pumping money in" which was clearly not true. All that was being done was the minimum to keep the club afloat, and I would suggest the failure to acquire Cat 1 academy status was not us missing out by a couple of inches, but Evans never having the intent of paying for it.
But then, this is a fan base where some chose to see Lambert's
comments about his previous club experiences as bragging, rather than a qualification for his criticism of how the club was being so badly run.
We expect supporters to support, but there is a vast gap between loyal support and blind head in the sand obstinacy. As with claims that we had the strongest squad in the league, last season.
We move on, with hopefully a few that much wiser this time around. | | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 15:10 - Jun 18 with 1835 views | Churchman |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 14:30 - Jun 18 by davblue |
It might not be better under the new ownership but Evans has been negligent to say the least. |
Negligent really doesn’t cover it. His ownership has destroyed the club. A few more years of Evans and there would have been no club. The new owners may prove rubbish, but they’re going to have to go some to out do Mr Faceless.
There were plenty of ‘thank you Marcus’ posts on here when the new owners were announced. He got none from me, nor will he. I would like to see all trace of him removed including his company name on the side of North Stand. |  | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:27 - Jun 19 with 1725 views | Harlestonblue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:01 - Jun 18 by Churchman |
In a thread yesterday, it was suggested that the club was not rotten to the core. I think Alan Lee’s interview suggests it was just that - from the top down. What Lee said didn’t surprise me, but somehow hearing what he said about Evans, Milne, so many people was still shocking. The club has plumbed the depths of awfulness.
When he talked about the people, including Milton, who were forced out, it is clear the club was hollowed out and left with total incompetents running it. An utter shambles from top to bottom and his comments tie in with what KD alluded to and indeed Chambers/Skuse/others.
The club needs that reset desperately. I want to see people at the club who are professional, know what they’re doing and care about their colleagues and the club. The complete opposite to the selection of tools we’ve seen in the past few years, including living-stealer Lambert. At least AL was spared the ‘my time at Dortmund’ video,
Evans: some people view him as ‘our saviour’. I view him with language that cannot be put on a message board. It’s down to him that the club is in pieces. The sooner the club is rid of the stain of our ‘saviour’, the happier I’ll be. |
Evans broke our club, no question aout it | | | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 10:55 - Jun 22 with 1582 views | tractorboysuffolk |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:57 - Jun 18 by tractorboy1978 |
I am in no way an Evans apologist and have ben very vocal about the way the club was 'run' but do think it's important we don't rewrite parts of the history. Generally, the fanbase thought it was time MM went and we wanted a fresh, up coming, modern manager who wanted to play attractive, front foot football rather than another pragmatic, safe pair of hands. They were the noises being fed back to Evans. |
Have you listened to the podcast? You cannot play this football on a shoestring budget, otherwise you end up clapping into league 1 which is ridiculous. I disagree with your comment "generally the fanbase thought it was time MM went", I think it is a classic case of a minority overcoming a silent majority due to social media and and this minority not actually understanding how professional football clubs are run / can be successful. Thankfully this is the only MM boo-boys type post seen on this thread. Onwards and upwards from here. I agree history cannot be re-written but I don't agree with your version of events. Lessons must be learnt. | | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:01 - Jun 22 with 1565 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 10:55 - Jun 22 by tractorboysuffolk |
Have you listened to the podcast? You cannot play this football on a shoestring budget, otherwise you end up clapping into league 1 which is ridiculous. I disagree with your comment "generally the fanbase thought it was time MM went", I think it is a classic case of a minority overcoming a silent majority due to social media and and this minority not actually understanding how professional football clubs are run / can be successful. Thankfully this is the only MM boo-boys type post seen on this thread. Onwards and upwards from here. I agree history cannot be re-written but I don't agree with your version of events. Lessons must be learnt. |
How is anything I have written 'MM boo boy' in any way? My point was the fans spoke and ME listened. He would have been quite happy carrying on with MM over achieving year after year if attendances were not dwindling and significant, vocal sections of the support didn't want him out and someone more 'progressive' brought in.
There are a lot of people that are now captain hindsight and making out that appointing Hurst and trying to play a better brand of football was always a stupid idea when generally that was not the view at the time. | | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:07 - Jun 22 with 1547 views | chrismakin |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:01 - Jun 22 by tractorboy1978 |
How is anything I have written 'MM boo boy' in any way? My point was the fans spoke and ME listened. He would have been quite happy carrying on with MM over achieving year after year if attendances were not dwindling and significant, vocal sections of the support didn't want him out and someone more 'progressive' brought in.
There are a lot of people that are now captain hindsight and making out that appointing Hurst and trying to play a better brand of football was always a stupid idea when generally that was not the view at the time. |
Let's be honest, We're all customers to a business. The attendances were dropping year on year as to the customer base they weren't getting what they wanted from the money they spent. of the thousands that stopped attending.. how many knew how bad things were behind the scenes? not many, they can only base it on what they see watching games.
When you shop at Sainsburys, you don't care what happens behind the scenes, as long as the food you want is there for you to get, football is no different, the majority only care about what happens once they have purchased their tickets, they want to be entertained and go home happy. Under Mick it didn't happen after the play off season. Yes it got out of hand and in the end it was horrible between some fans and Mick, but it's because the fans don't know certain aspects and that will never change. |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:14 - Jun 22 with 1528 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:07 - Jun 22 by chrismakin |
Let's be honest, We're all customers to a business. The attendances were dropping year on year as to the customer base they weren't getting what they wanted from the money they spent. of the thousands that stopped attending.. how many knew how bad things were behind the scenes? not many, they can only base it on what they see watching games.
When you shop at Sainsburys, you don't care what happens behind the scenes, as long as the food you want is there for you to get, football is no different, the majority only care about what happens once they have purchased their tickets, they want to be entertained and go home happy. Under Mick it didn't happen after the play off season. Yes it got out of hand and in the end it was horrible between some fans and Mick, but it's because the fans don't know certain aspects and that will never change. |
I think anyone with an ounce of common sense could see MM was operating with one hand tied behind his back. Even on the most basic level, that was obvious just looking at our transfer budget relative to the majority of the rest of the Championship. | | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:22 - Jun 22 with 1507 views | chrismakin |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:14 - Jun 22 by tractorboy1978 |
I think anyone with an ounce of common sense could see MM was operating with one hand tied behind his back. Even on the most basic level, that was obvious just looking at our transfer budget relative to the majority of the rest of the Championship. |
But that's budgets, there's plenty of clubs they have small budgets and punch above their weight, Ipswich aren't alone in that and whilst I agree with you personally, i still feel that a large majority didn't/wouldn't care about what Mick had to do his job, just expectation for him to just get on with it and do it well. that's just how it is really.
All the latest stuff to come out from the likes of Lee, weren't known to the thousands who stopped attending. There was a post about lack of Evans protests... the issue at this is apart from Budget.. only now really are the real truths coming out. You would imagine had everything come out years ago, the protests would have started a long time ago with a lot of support for them. | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:40 - Jun 22 with 1475 views | tractorboysuffolk |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:01 - Jun 22 by tractorboy1978 |
How is anything I have written 'MM boo boy' in any way? My point was the fans spoke and ME listened. He would have been quite happy carrying on with MM over achieving year after year if attendances were not dwindling and significant, vocal sections of the support didn't want him out and someone more 'progressive' brought in.
There are a lot of people that are now captain hindsight and making out that appointing Hurst and trying to play a better brand of football was always a stupid idea when generally that was not the view at the time. |
It was hardly captain foresight saying getting rid of MM and replacing with Hurst was almost certain relegation, thankfully I don't get shot down for it like I used to on this forum (look at all my previous posts). The truth is now out. Evans was listening to yes men looking after their own back not the fans. Generally that was my view at the time, as is still today. | | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:44 - Jun 22 with 1473 views | Radlett_blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 08:36 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
I wonder if any of those who thought Mick was the problem have ever considered that they were wrong....!
But yep, very damning, and a lot of stuff I was aware of but then a lot more revelations.....felt like a man with something to get off his chest.
Have heard from BB, that what was said off camera would have been X-rated viewing....! |
Mick was 100% focused on improving the first team results, which was what Evans wanted. Mick did a good job of that, but much of the rest of the infrastructure of the club was neglected. I think this is what Lambert alluded to a few times during his reign and I reckon he had a good point. |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:46 - Jun 22 with 1466 views | chrismakin |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:44 - Jun 22 by Radlett_blue |
Mick was 100% focused on improving the first team results, which was what Evans wanted. Mick did a good job of that, but much of the rest of the infrastructure of the club was neglected. I think this is what Lambert alluded to a few times during his reign and I reckon he had a good point. |
It goes further too, Dyer mentioned that PC has been the only manager who has made him feel welcome and not just u23 manager. Open door etc. So whilst Lambert was spot on with lack of structure, even the way he ran the show wasn't great for a club that was already struggling behind the scenes | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 14:53 - Jun 22 with 1399 views | Churchman |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:22 - Jun 22 by chrismakin |
But that's budgets, there's plenty of clubs they have small budgets and punch above their weight, Ipswich aren't alone in that and whilst I agree with you personally, i still feel that a large majority didn't/wouldn't care about what Mick had to do his job, just expectation for him to just get on with it and do it well. that's just how it is really.
All the latest stuff to come out from the likes of Lee, weren't known to the thousands who stopped attending. There was a post about lack of Evans protests... the issue at this is apart from Budget.. only now really are the real truths coming out. You would imagine had everything come out years ago, the protests would have started a long time ago with a lot of support for them. |
The details and personal experiences of the likes of Lee weren’t known, but it was pretty obvious things were not right at the club from a long way back. Right back to when the Keane gamble failed. More recently, comments by former players like McGoldrick told their own tale. Zero ambition. So did the departure of the likes of Milton and the persistence with an incompetent windbag like Lambert.
You talk about protests, but the reality is that most people when they’ve had enough just walk away. On top of that an entire generation of younger supporters has been lost. I think people did care about the resources Mick had to do his job. There weren't too many that bought the lie ‘oh the sale money from X paid for the salary for Y’ either. Running costs, blah blah blah. It was obvious it was flunkey’s spin on behalf of the owner. People could also see the ground was neglected and it was obvious at the time that Evans wasn’t interested in Cat 1 for the Academy or strengthens the team for a promotion push in Jan 15 come to that.
I just never imagined the rot at the club was from top to bottom. | | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 15:20 - Jun 22 with 1361 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 14:17 - Jun 18 by IP4_Blue |
Just listened to Part 2 very good!
Sounds like he didn't like Lambert too
Thankfully now we have new owners with a proper structure |
It was a superb piece. He gave such a candid, honest and open interview and Phil & BM let it flow nicely.
AL comes across a really genuine guy. I'm sure he can be a bit of a straight talking badass if he needs to be, but seems to have a heart of gold too. It was refreshing to hear a behind the scenes account that tallies with what we mostly expected too. You always wonder what was really going on, was it really that bad, etc. But there it is in black and white about how disengaged ME was and how everything flowed from that.
Good to hear his views on PC and his immediate coaching team too. It sounds like they could well be the right people to rebuild us. We probably need to be a bit patient though, as there's hell of a lot to fix. |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 20:29 - Jun 23 with 1270 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 10:12 - Jun 18 by trncbluearmy |
Absolutely, some day hopefully that 5% will be bought out
amazing that some actually thanked him for destroying our club |
Beyond daft innit? We have had some 'thanking' him on the day the clubs sale was announced.
Thanking him  |  | | |
| One other angle on this excellent interview.... on 21:13 - Jun 23 with 1239 views | olimar |
is that, despite his (and pretty much everyone elses) personal thoughts on Paul Lambert, his outbursts through his time as manager were someone clearly unable to hold in the frustration at the lack of direction and general competence through the rest of the club to support him.
It probably wouldnt have made much difference to his ability to build a winning team anyway, but it just shows that he was probably correct in calling out the issues at the club.
The question is why Paul Cook took the job when, by all accounts, he thought ME was just looking for investment rather than a takeover (as far as he was aware)- if he asked anyone who had been at the club at any time in recent history (including Alan Lee, who he evidently knows quite well), then surely he would have run a mile..... | | | |
| One other angle on this excellent interview.... on 23:09 - Jun 23 with 1186 views | Churchman |
| One other angle on this excellent interview.... on 21:13 - Jun 23 by olimar |
is that, despite his (and pretty much everyone elses) personal thoughts on Paul Lambert, his outbursts through his time as manager were someone clearly unable to hold in the frustration at the lack of direction and general competence through the rest of the club to support him.
It probably wouldnt have made much difference to his ability to build a winning team anyway, but it just shows that he was probably correct in calling out the issues at the club.
The question is why Paul Cook took the job when, by all accounts, he thought ME was just looking for investment rather than a takeover (as far as he was aware)- if he asked anyone who had been at the club at any time in recent history (including Alan Lee, who he evidently knows quite well), then surely he would have run a mile..... |
And what did Lambert do to support the club? What did he do to change things? Nothing. He was a yes man taking the money. According to KD Lambert never bothered to speak to him and I don’t suppose he spoke to many others outside the first team either. What exactly did he do?
Whatever his frustrations he happily trousered a five year contract and assembled a shambles of a squad. Lambert looked clueless, was clueless and assembled a team that was clueless.
Yes, the accountability for the destruction of the club sits with Evans, but no excuses for Lambert. He was a dreadful apology of a manager. [Post edited 23 Jun 2021 23:28]
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 06:55 - Jun 24 with 1140 views | lazyblue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 09:48 - Jun 18 by hype313 |
Wow that was quite an insightful interview! Kinda confirms all our suspicions, and quite honestly I never felt good about the clapping of relegation and glad Alan felt the same.
He talks so effortlessly about the game, I know he's going down an different route, but from what he talked about he sounds like he would be a great asset to have around the club.
One thing to deduce from that, Dedham still has dial up. |
The clapping of relegation was an absolute embarrassment at the time! | | | |
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