| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast 08:24 - Jun 18 with 8775 views | Dubtractor |
Crikey, to say he gives a damning critique of the Evans era is an understatement.
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:08 - Jun 18 with 1597 views | FrankfurtBlue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:01 - Jun 18 by Churchman |
In a thread yesterday, it was suggested that the club was not rotten to the core. I think Alan Lee’s interview suggests it was just that - from the top down. What Lee said didn’t surprise me, but somehow hearing what he said about Evans, Milne, so many people was still shocking. The club has plumbed the depths of awfulness.
When he talked about the people, including Milton, who were forced out, it is clear the club was hollowed out and left with total incompetents running it. An utter shambles from top to bottom and his comments tie in with what KD alluded to and indeed Chambers/Skuse/others.
The club needs that reset desperately. I want to see people at the club who are professional, know what they’re doing and care about their colleagues and the club. The complete opposite to the selection of tools we’ve seen in the past few years, including living-stealer Lambert. At least AL was spared the ‘my time at Dortmund’ video,
Evans: some people view him as ‘our saviour’. I view him with language that cannot be put on a message board. It’s down to him that the club is in pieces. The sooner the club is rid of the stain of our ‘saviour’, the happier I’ll be. |
Much of what AL said was discernable from the outside, reading between the lines, especially MM doing the job with one hand tied behind his back and just concentrating on the first team because of a lack of leadership and accountability elsewhere in the club. He confirmed that MM had had a striker lined up in the 2015 January transfer window, but was not backed by ME.
It was especially saddening to hear from someone who clearly cared, just how many good people left the club, never to be replaced, and how he felt unable to do anything other than resign himself.
Anyone, who still thinks that ME was good for this club, should take a listen to AL.
Many thanks to all those involved in that podcast. |  | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:14 - Jun 18 with 1565 views | hype313 |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:08 - Jun 18 by FrankfurtBlue |
Much of what AL said was discernable from the outside, reading between the lines, especially MM doing the job with one hand tied behind his back and just concentrating on the first team because of a lack of leadership and accountability elsewhere in the club. He confirmed that MM had had a striker lined up in the 2015 January transfer window, but was not backed by ME.
It was especially saddening to hear from someone who clearly cared, just how many good people left the club, never to be replaced, and how he felt unable to do anything other than resign himself.
Anyone, who still thinks that ME was good for this club, should take a listen to AL.
Many thanks to all those involved in that podcast. |
Would be interesting to see who that striker was Mick was after in that Janusry. |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:16 - Jun 18 with 1560 views | Bent_double |
Listening to that has made me angry.
Seems like a lot of people at the club could see what was happening, where things were heading, but instead of speaking up, they all decided to just leave, one-by-one.
I get it's not easy to speak out, but there are ways of doing it anonymously that would have protected them and maybe stopped the slide into L1.
Clearly those at the top (I won't call them 'management' as it seems to be a mis-use of the word) were to blame, but to here of staff not wanting to do their jobs, or not caring whether they did them well or not....makes my blood boil.
As for ME - I used to think he was an OK owner, kept out of things, provided the money where needed. Boy was I wrong. I'm glad he's lost £50-60m over the last 10 years or so, that's the price you pay for almost destroying our football club...
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:16 - Jun 18 with 1558 views | nodge_blue |
Good endorsement of Paul Cook though. |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:16 - Jun 18 with 1555 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:08 - Jun 18 by FrankfurtBlue |
Much of what AL said was discernable from the outside, reading between the lines, especially MM doing the job with one hand tied behind his back and just concentrating on the first team because of a lack of leadership and accountability elsewhere in the club. He confirmed that MM had had a striker lined up in the 2015 January transfer window, but was not backed by ME.
It was especially saddening to hear from someone who clearly cared, just how many good people left the club, never to be replaced, and how he felt unable to do anything other than resign himself.
Anyone, who still thinks that ME was good for this club, should take a listen to AL.
Many thanks to all those involved in that podcast. |
Absolutely. And for a long time. The warning signs kicked in with the appointments of Keane and Clegg. One a complete nut job totally unsuited to us, the other seeming a very experienced CEO but not allowed to be effectual here. It was obvious then we weren't in a good place. And then when we repeated those same mistakes of badly chosen managers and largely irrelevant 'sidekicks' again and again, it was obvious Evans was never going to change.
13 years and a reasonable position in English football wasted. We can rebuild though. |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:22 - Jun 18 with 1536 views | itfcjoe |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:06 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
I think I was the one who said something about there being no problem if he's along for the ride. The terms of the buyout were purely a commercial decision and if him retaining 5% was needed to get him to sell the club, that's a small price to pay. We can't stop him and/or his family attending as a fan either (and nor should we imo if we want to be seen as a welcoming family club).
I wouldn't want him within a 100 miles of any decisions though and it would be galling to see him lording it up in the Directors Box, which presumably he'll be able to do because of his 5% and links to the new owners. |
Funnily he started the journey looking for further investment....and even right until very end he wanted investment but to retain control in decision making.......when he is one of the richest men in the UK and a proven bad decision maker seems very backwards to me |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:24 - Jun 18 with 1523 views | itfcjoe |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:16 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Absolutely. And for a long time. The warning signs kicked in with the appointments of Keane and Clegg. One a complete nut job totally unsuited to us, the other seeming a very experienced CEO but not allowed to be effectual here. It was obvious then we weren't in a good place. And then when we repeated those same mistakes of badly chosen managers and largely irrelevant 'sidekicks' again and again, it was obvious Evans was never going to change.
13 years and a reasonable position in English football wasted. We can rebuild though. |
Phil made an interesting point on previous podcast that when Keane was appointed Evans hadn't spoken to a single person at Sunderland to see what he was like | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:49 - Jun 18 with 1459 views | Churchman |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:08 - Jun 18 by FrankfurtBlue |
Much of what AL said was discernable from the outside, reading between the lines, especially MM doing the job with one hand tied behind his back and just concentrating on the first team because of a lack of leadership and accountability elsewhere in the club. He confirmed that MM had had a striker lined up in the 2015 January transfer window, but was not backed by ME.
It was especially saddening to hear from someone who clearly cared, just how many good people left the club, never to be replaced, and how he felt unable to do anything other than resign himself.
Anyone, who still thinks that ME was good for this club, should take a listen to AL.
Many thanks to all those involved in that podcast. |
Agree with that. I am by no means MMs biggest fan, but he would have got us promoted with the minimum of backing and Evans couldn’t even manage that. It was clear to all bar him and his witless toadies Xmas 2014 that all we really needed was a Stewart style signing to give us a chance to get us over the line.
Yes, a lot of what came out of that interview and others was discernible a long time ago, but even a pessimist like me dare not think the rot had gone so deep. Wrong. In particular, I’d assumed the academy kind of immune from a lot of what was happening. It clearly wasn’t.
It’s so sad that so many important behind the scenes people who clearly loved the club just gave up. I can’t say I blame them. All the more reason to value people like Dyer and Butcher who stayed, assuming they are good at what they do.
What on earth did sweaty lickspittles like Milne and Turnstile Clegg actually say to Evans if they ever spoke to him? I can’t begin to imagine.
It’s going to take time, money and a lot of will to rebuild this club. I hope the owners, Ashton and the Chairman hear what the likes of Lee, Dyer and others have to say and actually listen. There’s a lot to be gained. |  | | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:52 - Jun 18 with 1448 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:06 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
I think I was the one who said something about there being no problem if he's along for the ride. The terms of the buyout were purely a commercial decision and if him retaining 5% was needed to get him to sell the club, that's a small price to pay. We can't stop him and/or his family attending as a fan either (and nor should we imo if we want to be seen as a welcoming family club).
I wouldn't want him within a 100 miles of any decisions though and it would be galling to see him lording it up in the Directors Box, which presumably he'll be able to do because of his 5% and links to the new owners. |
He's kept his exec box above the directors box as part of the deal. |  | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:57 - Jun 18 with 1432 views | tractorboy1978 |
I am in no way an Evans apologist and have ben very vocal about the way the club was 'run' but do think it's important we don't rewrite parts of the history. Generally, the fanbase thought it was time MM went and we wanted a fresh, up coming, modern manager who wanted to play attractive, front foot football rather than another pragmatic, safe pair of hands. They were the noises being fed back to Evans. | | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:57 - Jun 18 with 1423 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:24 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Phil made an interesting point on previous podcast that when Keane was appointed Evans hadn't spoken to a single person at Sunderland to see what he was like |
What?! I hadn't heard that. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but blimey. Especially after he'd had a public unravelling in that last year at Sunderland, you'd have thought due diligence would have been doubly intense. | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:58 - Jun 18 with 1423 views | ghostofescobar |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:06 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
I think I was the one who said something about there being no problem if he's along for the ride. The terms of the buyout were purely a commercial decision and if him retaining 5% was needed to get him to sell the club, that's a small price to pay. We can't stop him and/or his family attending as a fan either (and nor should we imo if we want to be seen as a welcoming family club).
I wouldn't want him within a 100 miles of any decisions though and it would be galling to see him lording it up in the Directors Box, which presumably he'll be able to do because of his 5% and links to the new owners. |
Fair play to you for owning that one. Obviously no problem with his family, but personally, i wouldn't want him in the ground ever again. I'm not sure he deserves any kind of welcome at PR, other than a very, very cold one. |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:58 - Jun 18 with 1421 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:14 - Jun 18 by hype313 |
Would be interesting to see who that striker was Mick was after in that Janusry. |
And the manager who asked him to pass his CV over before Hurst was appointed |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:59 - Jun 18 with 1417 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 08:54 - Jun 18 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, it's here if people want to listen to it (posted the wrong URL initially but now correct).
 TWTD-Blue Monday Podcast - Alan Lee Part Two 18th Jun 2021 07:00In part two of the TWTD-Blue Monday podcast with Alan Lee the former striker talks about his return to Portman Road as an academy coach and why he ended up hating working at the club as it became "a car crash in slow motion".  10
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I haven't got a great deal of time, could someone advise when the juicy bits start?
Thanks in advance |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:00 - Jun 18 with 1408 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:49 - Jun 18 by Churchman |
Agree with that. I am by no means MMs biggest fan, but he would have got us promoted with the minimum of backing and Evans couldn’t even manage that. It was clear to all bar him and his witless toadies Xmas 2014 that all we really needed was a Stewart style signing to give us a chance to get us over the line.
Yes, a lot of what came out of that interview and others was discernible a long time ago, but even a pessimist like me dare not think the rot had gone so deep. Wrong. In particular, I’d assumed the academy kind of immune from a lot of what was happening. It clearly wasn’t.
It’s so sad that so many important behind the scenes people who clearly loved the club just gave up. I can’t say I blame them. All the more reason to value people like Dyer and Butcher who stayed, assuming they are good at what they do.
What on earth did sweaty lickspittles like Milne and Turnstile Clegg actually say to Evans if they ever spoke to him? I can’t begin to imagine.
It’s going to take time, money and a lot of will to rebuild this club. I hope the owners, Ashton and the Chairman hear what the likes of Lee, Dyer and others have to say and actually listen. There’s a lot to be gained. |
I have to say, having just listened to it, it confirmed exactly what a great number of us were saying repeatedly, and getting shot down for.
The most damning indictment for me was that under ME the place had become completely unprofessional, some people were still doing their jobs, but a good number weren't.
It was so obvious that the 5 point plan was nothing but platitudes, and I was one that suggested that there was something rotten in the club, only to be shot down by several posters.
The one thing that really got me from that interview, was I actually started to feel a bit sorry for Hurst, and it confirmed my suspicions at the time, that maybe Hurst wasn't running the sales of Waghorn, Garner, Webster et al and replacing with L1 and L2 talent, but it was being driven by Evans as a wage cutting exercise that Hurst said he could manage with.
The Banter Era. |  |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:04 - Jun 18 with 1377 views | RobTheMonk |
The whole playing out from the back thing was also sadly hilarious at the time. I remember seeing Dean Gerkin playing backwards passes when only 4 yards off his goal line.
I wonder if we'll see some more interviews along this same line. |  | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:06 - Jun 18 with 1371 views | ghostofescobar |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 11:01 - Jun 18 by Churchman |
In a thread yesterday, it was suggested that the club was not rotten to the core. I think Alan Lee’s interview suggests it was just that - from the top down. What Lee said didn’t surprise me, but somehow hearing what he said about Evans, Milne, so many people was still shocking. The club has plumbed the depths of awfulness.
When he talked about the people, including Milton, who were forced out, it is clear the club was hollowed out and left with total incompetents running it. An utter shambles from top to bottom and his comments tie in with what KD alluded to and indeed Chambers/Skuse/others.
The club needs that reset desperately. I want to see people at the club who are professional, know what they’re doing and care about their colleagues and the club. The complete opposite to the selection of tools we’ve seen in the past few years, including living-stealer Lambert. At least AL was spared the ‘my time at Dortmund’ video,
Evans: some people view him as ‘our saviour’. I view him with language that cannot be put on a message board. It’s down to him that the club is in pieces. The sooner the club is rid of the stain of our ‘saviour’, the happier I’ll be. |
Here, here....that's spot on. I have been intently angry about Evans tenure, have said so on here and have been roundly down voted for my views at one stage. A stain, a charlatan, a chancer, incompetent, unprofessional, uncaring....what he did to our club is unforgivable. I have doubts about us going up next season, just because all the problems he created at the club will take a long while to fix. | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:10 - Jun 18 with 1355 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:04 - Jun 18 by RobTheMonk |
The whole playing out from the back thing was also sadly hilarious at the time. I remember seeing Dean Gerkin playing backwards passes when only 4 yards off his goal line.
I wonder if we'll see some more interviews along this same line. |
I think, listening to that, if you interviewed the likes of Titus or Steve Foley, you might get a similar response to AL. | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:11 - Jun 18 with 1334 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:52 - Jun 18 by PrideOfTheEast |
He's kept his exec box above the directors box as part of the deal. |
not surprised, cheers | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:20 - Jun 18 with 1325 views | RegencyBlue |
It is damning but no more so than an article I recall reading in Turnstile Blues years ago when they interviewed various anonymous employees during the Clegg era. It was, from memory, exactly the same sort of stuff.
It was obvious for years that Evans was destroying the club, on and off the pitch, but for some reason large numbers of our support base just would not see what was as plain as day.
Those of us who were calling Evans out for years, and who took some stick on here whilst doing it, were completely justified! |  | | |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:22 - Jun 18 with 1313 views | itfcjoe |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:58 - Jun 18 by BlueandTruesince82 |
And the manager who asked him to pass his CV over before Hurst was appointed |
Must be Warnock - a previous manager with 2 promotions to PL | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:32 - Jun 18 with 1273 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:22 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Must be Warnock - a previous manager with 2 promotions to PL |
Someone should get in touch with Brentford and Watford to let them know that they've got the wrong managers! What a daft approach that was. A little bit of logic in in, but not much. | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:43 - Jun 18 with 1242 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:22 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Must be Warnock - a previous manager with 2 promotions to PL |
Warnock was a mate of Evans wasn't he? As widely reported in any case.
Why would he need to put his CV through Alan Lee?
Its Pardew. Def. Info. Would have known AL from Palace. [Post edited 18 Jun 2021 13:46]
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:44 - Jun 18 with 1236 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:22 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Must be Warnock - a previous manager with 2 promotions to PL |
Would make sense but I thought Evans and Warnock knew each other well, well enough that he wouldn't need go via Alan to put himself in the mix? | |
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| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 13:46 - Jun 18 with 1221 views | DinDjarin |
| Listening to the Alan Lee interview whilst I have my breakfast on 12:16 - Jun 18 by nodge_blue |
Good endorsement of Paul Cook though. |
Sussed the club out pretty quick hence the mass clear out. |  | | |
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