| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... 15:27 - Jul 7 with 18435 views | ITFCBlues |
Why are we bothering with the academy? Seems pointless if you're letting your best players walk for peanuts. |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 13:37 - Jul 8 with 1770 views | tractorboy1978 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 13:20 - Jul 8 by itfcjoe |
We aren't signing on enormous money at the moment, big for L1 but that is small for the Championship - so we will likely hit a financial ceiling at some point.
Brentford model must be a bit under threat due to Brexit - there has been some really ruthless domestic recruitment from Cat 1 clubs this summer as they can't get players in from continent - how Brentford get on from here is interesting - I can't imagine any of their signings in recent years would meet GBE requirements |
It will be interesting. People underestimate just how advanced Brentford's model is. It's a proprietary data model that they invest heavily in and they very, very rarely sign a dud. You can't just replicate it and close your academy.
I can't remember who said it or when but there is some quote about having to employ near on 100 scouts to be able to compete with it. [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 13:39]
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 13:57 - Jul 8 with 1734 views | MrTown |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 13:32 - Jul 8 by itfcjoe |
Most haven't let them walk though!
This is more at younger ages, i.e. those U16 going full time this summer |
We haven't let anyone walk. The player chose to walk.
He was offered terms, terms we thought were suitable and reasonable for him. He chose not to sign. [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 13:58]
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:58 - Jul 8 with 1664 views | HARRY10 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 13:37 - Jul 8 by tractorboy1978 |
It will be interesting. People underestimate just how advanced Brentford's model is. It's a proprietary data model that they invest heavily in and they very, very rarely sign a dud. You can't just replicate it and close your academy.
I can't remember who said it or when but there is some quote about having to employ near on 100 scouts to be able to compete with it. [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 13:39]
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Brentford closed their acadamy because of their location which meant they were competing with much bigger clubs in that area.
At the time, it was a large amnount of their income.
The data myth is also extremely misleading. You can count and number crunch mumbo jumbo until the cows come home, but there are still the more important factors that have to be factored in.
Much is players attitude and aptitude. How many of ours, never mind elsewhere, have shown promise only to not make it. Often due to not having the commitment required. And no vacuous gobbledegook can identify that. | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:02 - Jul 8 with 1660 views | tractorboy1978 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:58 - Jul 8 by HARRY10 |
Brentford closed their acadamy because of their location which meant they were competing with much bigger clubs in that area.
At the time, it was a large amnount of their income.
The data myth is also extremely misleading. You can count and number crunch mumbo jumbo until the cows come home, but there are still the more important factors that have to be factored in.
Much is players attitude and aptitude. How many of ours, never mind elsewhere, have shown promise only to not make it. Often due to not having the commitment required. And no vacuous gobbledegook can identify that. |
As I said, they very, very rarely make a mistake so their 'mumbo jumbo' way of approaching recruitment must work. | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:12 - Jul 8 with 1641 views | HARRY10 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:02 - Jul 8 by tractorboy1978 |
As I said, they very, very rarely make a mistake so their 'mumbo jumbo' way of approaching recruitment must work. |
I presume you have a list of every player they have signed since they closed their academy, and what they have dome since
I await the list.... | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:13 - Jul 8 with 1640 views | RadioOrwell |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:58 - Jul 8 by HARRY10 |
Brentford closed their acadamy because of their location which meant they were competing with much bigger clubs in that area.
At the time, it was a large amnount of their income.
The data myth is also extremely misleading. You can count and number crunch mumbo jumbo until the cows come home, but there are still the more important factors that have to be factored in.
Much is players attitude and aptitude. How many of ours, never mind elsewhere, have shown promise only to not make it. Often due to not having the commitment required. And no vacuous gobbledegook can identify that. |
It would be nice to see a flow chart of 'Investment in Academy V Returns from Academy'
And by returns I mean anything resembling sell on fee or great performances on the pitch.
I really don't know but I'd say we are in deficit. |  | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:17 - Jul 8 with 1628 views | HARRY10 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:13 - Jul 8 by RadioOrwell |
It would be nice to see a flow chart of 'Investment in Academy V Returns from Academy'
And by returns I mean anything resembling sell on fee or great performances on the pitch.
I really don't know but I'd say we are in deficit. |
That is a fault with how Evans ran the club
and there are many other areas of the club that have suffered similarly | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:42 - Jul 8 with 1604 views | tractorboy1978 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:12 - Jul 8 by HARRY10 |
I presume you have a list of every player they have signed since they closed their academy, and what they have dome since
I await the list.... |
Taking players signed for over £1m:
2020/21 - Toney - 30+ goals and could sell now for 5 times what they paid for him
2019/20 - Jenson, Jansson, Norgaard, Raya, Pinnock, Mbuemo - all played majority of their games this season in a promotion winning side. 2 of those are now in the Danish squad that we played yesterday. All bar Jansson would sell for more than was paid for them.
2018/19 - Konsa, sold at a massive profit to Villa and now a PL regular. Benrahma, sold at a £20m+ profit to West Ham. Jeanvier, 60 appearances in two seasons and sold for similar fee to what they paid
2017/18 - Watkins, sold at a £20m+ profit to Villa, PL regular and in the England squad. Maupay, sold at a £20m+ profit to Brighton, PL regular. Dalsgaard, 150 appearances in 4 seasons and regular in side that got promoted this season.
I cannot be arsed to go further back, but they don't make expensive mistakes. | | | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:51 - Jul 8 with 1578 views | HARRY10 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:42 - Jul 8 by tractorboy1978 |
Taking players signed for over £1m:
2020/21 - Toney - 30+ goals and could sell now for 5 times what they paid for him
2019/20 - Jenson, Jansson, Norgaard, Raya, Pinnock, Mbuemo - all played majority of their games this season in a promotion winning side. 2 of those are now in the Danish squad that we played yesterday. All bar Jansson would sell for more than was paid for them.
2018/19 - Konsa, sold at a massive profit to Villa and now a PL regular. Benrahma, sold at a £20m+ profit to West Ham. Jeanvier, 60 appearances in two seasons and sold for similar fee to what they paid
2017/18 - Watkins, sold at a £20m+ profit to Villa, PL regular and in the England squad. Maupay, sold at a £20m+ profit to Brighton, PL regular. Dalsgaard, 150 appearances in 4 seasons and regular in side that got promoted this season.
I cannot be arsed to go further back, but they don't make expensive mistakes. |
So a very selective list, that makes no mention of any coaching
The players are simply signed for little or nothing then ....whooosh.... they are sold for millions
Try having a look at what Crystal Palace are now doing, what the scum spent on upgrading their training facilities and recognise that every player you list has come through an academy, along with coaching
.....or are you going to tell me that Brentford have given up on coaching as well. | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:59 - Jul 8 with 1558 views | tractorboy1978 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:51 - Jul 8 by HARRY10 |
So a very selective list, that makes no mention of any coaching
The players are simply signed for little or nothing then ....whooosh.... they are sold for millions
Try having a look at what Crystal Palace are now doing, what the scum spent on upgrading their training facilities and recognise that every player you list has come through an academy, along with coaching
.....or are you going to tell me that Brentford have given up on coaching as well. |
I've never said coaching isn't important, I don't really know what argument you are trying to pick. I was highlighting their recruitment model is very good (which it is), nothing more, nothing less.
But on a side note, Brentford do get their young players out on decent loans too which is a big thing and something we've largely been terrible at for a long time. [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 17:00]
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 17:01 - Jul 8 with 1546 views | chrismakin |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:59 - Jul 8 by tractorboy1978 |
I've never said coaching isn't important, I don't really know what argument you are trying to pick. I was highlighting their recruitment model is very good (which it is), nothing more, nothing less.
But on a side note, Brentford do get their young players out on decent loans too which is a big thing and something we've largely been terrible at for a long time. [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 17:00]
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Guys, what is it you are are actuallly arguing about, it's almost like you're both agreeing with each other without realising. [Post edited 8 Jul 2021 17:01]
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 00:30 - Jul 9 with 1416 views | timothyeo |
I'm pleased to see another day has gone by and no confirmation that Gibbs has gone to them. I really hope the club have sat him down and tried to persuade him - at least to avoid the inevitable PR disaster of him being successful at Norwich.
I maintain from my earlier post that with the infrastructure they now have, and their record on improving young players, if they're interested in Gibbs we definitely should be doing absolutely everything to keep him - they're likely a better judge of young talent than anyone at our club right now - and actually, the likes of Klug seem to rate him as one of the most talented also. | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:10 - Jul 14 with 1216 views | timothyeo |
Unless i've missed something, he's still here, right? | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:16 - Jul 14 with 1203 views | PhilTWTD |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:10 - Jul 14 by timothyeo |
Unless i've missed something, he's still here, right? |
He's left here but not joined anyone else yet. |  | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:17 - Jul 14 with 1199 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:16 - Jul 14 by PhilTWTD |
He's left here but not joined anyone else yet. |
Norwich still looking likely? |  | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:23 - Jul 14 with 1180 views | PhilTWTD |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:17 - Jul 14 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Norwich still looking likely? |
Not heard anything new since last week. Someone I spoke to wasn't ruling out him potentially coming back here, but as it stood then I think it wasn't hugely likely. | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:34 - Jul 14 with 1149 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:23 - Jul 14 by PhilTWTD |
Not heard anything new since last week. Someone I spoke to wasn't ruling out him potentially coming back here, but as it stood then I think it wasn't hugely likely. |
I can just about deal with him going, but not to Norwich | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:35 - Jul 14 with 1149 views | dirtyboy |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:23 - Jul 14 by PhilTWTD |
Not heard anything new since last week. Someone I spoke to wasn't ruling out him potentially coming back here, but as it stood then I think it wasn't hugely likely. |
I do wonder if Gibbs is now seeing the level of intent at this club and maybe, if we do get Crooks and perhaps Lewis Gibson he may be thinking about coming back if the offer remains.
Just a thought... |  | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:11 - Jul 14 with 1031 views | PhilTWTD |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 09:17 - Jul 14 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Norwich still looking likely? |
It is basically done:
Just waiting for the clubs to agree compensation. Long-term contract sorted with the Canaries. | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:13 - Jul 14 with 1012 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:11 - Jul 14 by PhilTWTD |
It is basically done:
Just waiting for the clubs to agree compensation. Long-term contract sorted with the Canaries. |
Damn. Disappointed with club and Gibbs. | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:14 - Jul 14 with 995 views | chrismakin |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:13 - Jul 14 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Damn. Disappointed with club and Gibbs. |
Potentially 500k. Happy days
Plenty of others signed, committed to the club and ready to push for the first team. So take the money and move on. | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:15 - Jul 14 with 987 views | BLUEBEAT |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:35 - Jul 7 by berkstractorboy |
How come we all seem to know so much but don't actually seem to have exact details on why he didn't sign. All the assumptions are aimed at blaming the club. Given the club have recognised the talent they would have done everything reasonable with the offer on the table.
Why not try backing the club rather than always trying to find a negative... |
Absolutely.
We don’t know what was offered or what he wanted/demanded.
Of all clubs, though  |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:16 - Jul 14 with 972 views | positivity |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:11 - Jul 14 by PhilTWTD |
It is basically done:
Just waiting for the clubs to agree compensation. Long-term contract sorted with the Canaries. |
do you know if we can add a sell-on fee with this compensation or is it a flat fee? | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:16 - Jul 14 with 973 views | hoppy |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:11 - Jul 14 by PhilTWTD |
It is basically done:
Just waiting for the clubs to agree compensation. Long-term contract sorted with the Canaries. |
Is a one-off compensation payment the end of it in a situation like this, or would we be likely to get any sell-on percentage in future? |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:16 - Jul 14 with 968 views | chrismakin |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 12:15 - Jul 14 by BLUEBEAT |
Absolutely.
We don’t know what was offered or what he wanted/demanded.
Of all clubs, though |
It's because the club didnt up their offer by a few hundred.... altho the player could have signed for a few hundred less if he was that keen to stay.....
Works both ways
Good luck to him. | |
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