| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... 15:27 - Jul 7 with 18431 views | ITFCBlues |
Why are we bothering with the academy? Seems pointless if you're letting your best players walk for peanuts. |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:42 - Jul 7 with 1301 views | jayessess |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:39 - Jul 7 by chrismakin |
Do you know what was offered then |
pretty reasonable assumption it wasn't competitive, given that he's left? |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:43 - Jul 7 with 1294 views | jayessess |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:34 - Jul 7 by chrismakin |
1 of many players prem clubs sign up who may or may not do anything from various clubs at various ages. |
Have they just picked his name out of a hat then? | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:44 - Jul 7 with 1288 views | chrismakin |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:42 - Jul 7 by jayessess |
pretty reasonable assumption it wasn't competitive, given that he's left? |
Could have been competitive yet still not what he wanted
could be the first team squad training thing that has been mentioned too etc etc
No one knows |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:47 - Jul 7 with 1271 views | MrTown |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:42 - Jul 7 by jayessess |
pretty reasonable assumption it wasn't competitive, given that he's left? |
Evidence would suggest, for our level, we pay quite competitive wages to young lads, when you look at the number that have signed deals with us in recent years.
But there comes a point, where somebodies demands are unreasonable/unjustified, and maybe that was just the case here. |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:48 - Jul 7 with 1265 views | jayessess |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:44 - Jul 7 by chrismakin |
Could have been competitive yet still not what he wanted
could be the first team squad training thing that has been mentioned too etc etc
No one knows |
I mean, Phil's been pretty clear about what happened? | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:48 - Jul 7 with 1263 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:47 - Jul 7 by MrTown |
Evidence would suggest, for our level, we pay quite competitive wages to young lads, when you look at the number that have signed deals with us in recent years.
But there comes a point, where somebodies demands are unreasonable/unjustified, and maybe that was just the case here. |
But if we aren't willing to part with a couple of hundred quid extra a week, as Phil believes it is, to what is widely agreed to probably be our best talent coming out of the academy, we might as well not bother. It would've not been a big cost to the club - and i get not bowing to players, that's fair enough, but i think you have to make exceptions sometimes. |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:50 - Jul 7 with 1245 views | tractorboy1978 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:48 - Jul 7 by jayessess |
I mean, Phil's been pretty clear about what happened? |
I wonder why Phil bothers sometimes because people just invent a story in their head and dogmatically stick to it. |  | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:51 - Jul 7 with 1238 views | jayessess |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:47 - Jul 7 by MrTown |
Evidence would suggest, for our level, we pay quite competitive wages to young lads, when you look at the number that have signed deals with us in recent years.
But there comes a point, where somebodies demands are unreasonable/unjustified, and maybe that was just the case here. |
If a player asks you to match (or even just approximate) an offer they've had elsewhere then that's not unjustified, is it? | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:53 - Jul 7 with 1231 views | HARRY10 |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:17 - Jul 7 by Churchman |
But is it an incorrect decision? We just don’t know the facts of it.
I don’t know about you but I left more than one job in my career and never publicly said thank god I’m going. It was always I’d really like to stay, but new opportunity I can’t turn down, domestic commitments blah blah blah. Leave on as good a terms as possible, even if massaging the truth is involved. Far better than saying ‘tinpot club, I want away’.
Whose to say. The system is geared to the big boys. As a little club in a rubbish League with ageing facilities, I can understand why he’d want something better if he thinks he’s that good. |
" As a little club in a rubbish League with ageing facilities, I can understand why he’d want something better if he thinks he’s that good. "
That, in a nutshell, is the blunt truth of the matter - and no endless bleating about the level of wages will change that. | | | |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:53 - Jul 7 with 1223 views | chrismakin |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:48 - Jul 7 by jayessess |
I mean, Phil's been pretty clear about what happened? |
Is Phil his agent then?
Phil has even said he's unsure why it's got to this situation.
We know we offered money, a few hundred less than wanted........... why did we stop that with a few hundred.. was it just money? did he demand first team squad inclusion? [Post edited 7 Jul 2021 16:56]
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:55 - Jul 7 with 1210 views | ArnieM |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:35 - Jul 7 by homer_123 |
I guess there is a wider question though - maybe Cook and the team have assessed the 'actual' effectiveness of the Academy and have decided that they are not providing the right 'type' of player.
In short, Cook and the new team are having a complete clear out, why would the Academy not come under the same scrutiny?
Maybe Gibbs is one of the best we have produced recently but maybe Cook doesn't feel he's up to the job? Maybe Cook wants the Academy to go in another direction? Maybe there are plans to dispose of it? |
I’d say this is spot on. And at that risk of being accused of a young player hater on here by some, I’d ask when was the last time this academy ever produced a young player that’s gone on to better things, even as a senior squad player at this Club or by leaving to follow the big bucks? Not many …if any!
However going forwards, our American owners come from a culture, where young footballers are looked to be developed, and as you allude too, maybe Cook and Ashton has further development plans in mind as to the characteristics that our academy players need to succeed . Just about all our players are lightweight IMO, and barely look able to stand up in a stiff breeze. You need players that have physical presence as well as intrinsic footballing skills. Question is , will Brian Klug remain our academy stalwart ? |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:55 - Jul 7 with 1206 views | jayessess |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:53 - Jul 7 by chrismakin |
Is Phil his agent then?
Phil has even said he's unsure why it's got to this situation.
We know we offered money, a few hundred less than wanted........... why did we stop that with a few hundred.. was it just money? did he demand first team squad inclusion? [Post edited 7 Jul 2021 16:56]
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He's not in the business of making things up, to my knowledge. | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:56 - Jul 7 with 1198 views | chicoazul |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:53 - Jul 7 by chrismakin |
Is Phil his agent then?
Phil has even said he's unsure why it's got to this situation.
We know we offered money, a few hundred less than wanted........... why did we stop that with a few hundred.. was it just money? did he demand first team squad inclusion? [Post edited 7 Jul 2021 16:56]
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He certainly knows a lot more than you that’s for sure. |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:56 - Jul 7 with 1199 views | BryanPlug |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:35 - Jul 7 by homer_123 |
I guess there is a wider question though - maybe Cook and the team have assessed the 'actual' effectiveness of the Academy and have decided that they are not providing the right 'type' of player.
In short, Cook and the new team are having a complete clear out, why would the Academy not come under the same scrutiny?
Maybe Gibbs is one of the best we have produced recently but maybe Cook doesn't feel he's up to the job? Maybe Cook wants the Academy to go in another direction? Maybe there are plans to dispose of it? |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:57 - Jul 7 with 1194 views | chrismakin |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:55 - Jul 7 by jayessess |
He's not in the business of making things up, to my knowledge. |
Not really sure what you're even on about tbh. | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:57 - Jul 7 with 1187 views | marchy |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:57 - Jul 7 by chrismakin |
Not really sure what you're even on about tbh. |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:57 - Jul 7 with 1184 views | itfcjoe |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:57 - Jul 7 by chrismakin |
Not really sure what you're even on about tbh. |
No surprise there |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:59 - Jul 7 with 1156 views | chrismakin |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:56 - Jul 7 by chicoazul |
He certainly knows a lot more than you that’s for sure. |
No sht, but im not stating anything as known | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 17:00 - Jul 7 with 1138 views | jayessess |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:57 - Jul 7 by chrismakin |
Not really sure what you're even on about tbh. |
That Gibbs would've stayed had the money been satisfactory. | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 17:01 - Jul 7 with 1136 views | chrismakin |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:57 - Jul 7 by itfcjoe |
No surprise there |
Which side of the fence you on today joe, positive in everything town, or now Gibbs has gone you've gone full circle again?
Good to see Dobra back in the fold isnt it. that ban was crazy. | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 17:03 - Jul 7 with 1120 views | Steve_M |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:56 - Jul 7 by chicoazul |
He certainly knows a lot more than you that’s for sure. |
A textbook definition of damning with faint praise there Chico. |  |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 17:04 - Jul 7 with 1118 views | jayessess |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:56 - Jul 7 by BryanPlug |
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Is Cook making this sort of decision? Seems odd for the club to put together this whole back room staff, make such a point about structure, then have the first team manager deciding what wages we should be paying U23 players. | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 17:05 - Jul 7 with 1108 views | chrismakin |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:57 - Jul 7 by marchy |
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Yeah, exactly what i've been saying, we offered him terms, as phil says he declined it over a few hundred. No one knows how much we offered to say in Jayees terms, it wasn't competitive. | |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 17:05 - Jul 7 with 1109 views | BryanPlug |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 16:57 - Jul 7 by marchy |
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| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 17:06 - Jul 7 with 1102 views | StokieBlue |
| If we're prepared to let Gibbs walk... on 15:29 - Jul 7 by itfcjoe |
Yep, it's maddening
You will lose players from time to time, it's unavoidable whatever category you are in - but this seems totally avoidable, and he's the player who has been pushed on the most, by far, in his age group - which has had success! |
What was the issue do you know?
We offered him a deal, he didn't want to sign it? I believe I read it was more about guaranteed first team training/chances than the money?
Surely that can't be the case though as he's not going to get any first team chances in the PL I wouldn't have thought.
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