| Norwood. 09:51 - Jul 13 with 4938 views | OriginalMarkyP |
Yes. He's been a dickhead.
And he's brought it all on himself.
I abhor drink driving. I don't drink. I've taken the keys of friends who've been tempted. I've driven people who are quite frankly abnoxious drunks home because I don't want them to get in their cars.
But he's been punished. I think the 40month ban is quite significant because the inconvienence of it probably hurts him a lot more than the fine. I don't know where he lives, but I live in a little village without a shop and if I couldn't drive I'd be f...ed.
The club, PC and the rest of his team all knew about his trial. And they have given him a clean slate. I think that's where we should be at.
He's clearly motivated to make a go of it this season. He's come back leaner and fitter than he's been before at the club. He's toned down the constant social media barrage. I think he's still got something to offer. Paul Cook obviously does. I hope Cook and his staff can get the best out of him. Fit and focused he's a potent weapon.
I hope he proves a lot of people wrong and learns from this. The ball is in his court now. Let's see. |  |
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| Norwood. on 10:52 - Jul 13 with 1343 views | Fixed_It |
| Norwood. on 10:18 - Jul 13 by jayessess |
I think most of us probably are "holier" than multiple drink driving offences, to be honest. |
The thing is, there are loads of posters on here who have talked openly about their use of illegal substances - almost bragging about it. I don't make a mental note of who, but I bet some of them are also jumping on the 'let's slate Norwood' bandwagon. I just find it somewhat hypocritical and a bit distasteful tbh. |  |
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| Norwood. on 10:54 - Jul 13 with 1331 views | wkj |
| Norwood. on 10:52 - Jul 13 by Fixed_It |
The thing is, there are loads of posters on here who have talked openly about their use of illegal substances - almost bragging about it. I don't make a mental note of who, but I bet some of them are also jumping on the 'let's slate Norwood' bandwagon. I just find it somewhat hypocritical and a bit distasteful tbh. |
What I don't see is people jumping on here asaying how they got mashed up, and went for a drive?
I don't see many talking about drinking being bad - but rather drink driving.
As stated many times - this is a second offense, and he tried to get away with it by not giving a guilty plee. |  |
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| Norwood. on 10:55 - Jul 13 with 1329 views | PositivelyPortman |
| Norwood. on 10:40 - Jul 13 by BLUEBEAT |
Got a crashpad on the marina innit |
He’ll jog into PR every morning now. |  |
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| Norwood. on 10:56 - Jul 13 with 1336 views | Vaughan8 |
yes he's a prat and an idiot. He "blacked up" for a Tranmere party once so its not just happened overnight.
However, I'm a fan and personally if he scores 30 goals this season, Ill be pleased.
I think a lot of views of him is from him winding people up on Twitter and people getting a bit precious over that. I've only seen a few things cos of posts on here.
As the OP said, lets hope hes learnt from this a we can all start off on a clean slate now. |  | | |
| Norwood. on 11:01 - Jul 13 with 1316 views | lightuser |
I've said before that I think that he's a slob at home, but puts the effort in at training and match day. This, combined with a good scoring record at this level is why I think that PC has kept him at the club.
Some major footballers like Tony Adams and Jan Molby have even spent time in jail, yet successfully carried on with their carreers after being released.
I get that he's not an ideal role model for many of you and not someone that you would wish to share a joint, or line with. But he's been punished now, so let's see how he knuckles down for the rest of his career. | | | |
| Norwood. on 11:02 - Jul 13 with 1306 views | StokieBlue |
| Norwood. on 10:56 - Jul 13 by Vaughan8 |
yes he's a prat and an idiot. He "blacked up" for a Tranmere party once so its not just happened overnight.
However, I'm a fan and personally if he scores 30 goals this season, Ill be pleased.
I think a lot of views of him is from him winding people up on Twitter and people getting a bit precious over that. I've only seen a few things cos of posts on here.
As the OP said, lets hope hes learnt from this a we can all start off on a clean slate now. |
He's not even going to be first choice so 30 goals seems a tad unlikely.
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| Norwood. on 11:05 - Jul 13 with 1294 views | jayessess |
| Norwood. on 10:52 - Jul 13 by Fixed_It |
The thing is, there are loads of posters on here who have talked openly about their use of illegal substances - almost bragging about it. I don't make a mental note of who, but I bet some of them are also jumping on the 'let's slate Norwood' bandwagon. I just find it somewhat hypocritical and a bit distasteful tbh. |
Taking illegal substances rates a lot lower on my "unholiness" scale than drink driving. |  |
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| Norwood. on 11:36 - Jul 13 with 1241 views | Vaughan8 |
| Norwood. on 11:02 - Jul 13 by StokieBlue |
He's not even going to be first choice so 30 goals seems a tad unlikely.
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You seem to be taking my post a tad too seriously. You get the point | | | |
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| Norwood. on 11:46 - Jul 13 with 1218 views | DanTheMan |
| Norwood. on 10:11 - Jul 13 by Fixed_It |
I certainly don't condone what he has done, but the moral outrage on here is frankly way OTT and has been for some time. People don't like the guy for a variety of reasons, which is their perogative. I just find it sad that they feel it appropriate to slate him publically at every opportunity with a holier than thou attitude. |
"holier than thou"
Yeah actually I've never driven drunk so I think I can hand on heart say that he is a bell end for doing so.
He has more than enough money to afford taxis. It's not something someone does by accident, he choose to drink and drive.
Then he chose to plead not guilty to the charge despite having overtaken a police car whilst over the legal limit by quite a bit. Oh and his story of "I only had two pints" despite the readings he showed making that exceedingly unlikely shows yet more lies.
He's plainly not sorry, and I somewhat doubt this is the second time he has done this. It's just the second time he's got caught. |  |
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| Norwood. on 11:51 - Jul 13 with 1205 views | IpswichKnight |
He’s got away with a lot as the other choices up front we’re utter bobbins, he knew full well when available he’d be picked. Not now though he has to fight to get a place and keep it will he fancy that or will he look to go back to being the big fish in the Striker department at another club? | | | |
| Norwood. on 13:00 - Jul 13 with 1149 views | Pilgrimblue |
| Norwood. on 10:18 - Jul 13 by PrideOfTheEast |
I don’t want that sort of behaviour associated with our club - we all make mistakes but he’s now done that twice in a short space of time.
If we’re genuinely seeking to be more professional on and off the pitch, with a focus on community we should clearly move him on. |
He's an idiot and I don't think he's learnt his lessen so would agree that he should be moved on. As has been said can't see him coping with all the travelling to PR.
Why on earth he didn't just accept the charge day one escapes me. He probably would have got less ban etc. Courts don't like wasting their time on unmerited appeals.
Trouble is that he thinks he's better than he really is so we'll see how he goes this season but not expecting he'll do any better so time to go! |  | | |
| Norwood. on 15:13 - Jul 13 with 1085 views | textbackup |
| Norwood. on 13:00 - Jul 13 by Pilgrimblue |
He's an idiot and I don't think he's learnt his lessen so would agree that he should be moved on. As has been said can't see him coping with all the travelling to PR.
Why on earth he didn't just accept the charge day one escapes me. He probably would have got less ban etc. Courts don't like wasting their time on unmerited appeals.
Trouble is that he thinks he's better than he really is so we'll see how he goes this season but not expecting he'll do any better so time to go! |
he'll simply move closer to the training ground, or get a lift in. |  |
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| Norwood. on 18:10 - Jul 13 with 1024 views | ArnieM |
| Norwood. on 10:35 - Jul 13 by jayessess |
No, he wouldn't. It isn't legal to summarily dismiss someone for a criminal conviction unrelated to their work. |
https://www.pib-riskmanagement.co.uk/news/dealing-with-a-drink-driving-employee/
https://www.pib-riskmanagement.co.uk/news/dealing-with-a-drink-driving-employee/
As I’ve said he is lucky to still have his job at this Club. MOST employees need their driving licence / car to get to work and for their work. And if an employee is convicted of drink driving they invariably lose their license especially if it’s a repeat offence or a serious enough over the limit offence. So yes an employee CAN be dismissed for gross misconduct IF those parameters are met.
Norwood is a very lucky person.
What IS annoying is professional footballers appear to drink drive ( or at least it’s reported possibly because they are high profile ), but with the amount of money they get paid there’s absolutely no excuse for them not to go by taxi ……no doubt Norwood will now be employing a taxi firm to drive him to and from trading and to PR on match days. Pity he didn’t use the same mind set when he went out drinking and driving. It’s not a first offence. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 18:18]
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| Norwood. on 18:16 - Jul 13 with 1020 views | ArnieM |
| Norwood. on 11:05 - Jul 13 by jayessess |
Taking illegal substances rates a lot lower on my "unholiness" scale than drink driving. |
…interesting, because the Police view drug driving as equally illegal and dangerous as drink driving. In fact there is now a higher rate of drug driving offences reported by police than drink driving , and the courts view it as just as seriously. The problem is society doesn’t ye5 view drug driving in the same as it does drink driving. As is borne out by your view, ( no judgement intended here btw). But it will eventually catch up and be seen in the same light as drink driving. | |
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| Norwood. on 18:19 - Jul 13 with 1012 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Norwood. on 09:57 - Jul 13 by hype313 |
He didn't learn the first time, so doubtful he will again.
He lives a good 45 minutes from the training ground, so it's going to cost him a small fortune to be ferried back and forth, unless he moves closer.
Either way, he's gone from the number one striker to second or third down the list and that's not including the "Marquee" Signing we are hearing from various sources. |
Everything about the club has been pretty unprofessional for the past 2 seasons and more. Norwood has been a part of that.
If he is given a chance in the new set up he would be a fool to throw it away. Now he has a chance to prove he is good enough to be a part of the exciting future of this club. Part of the reason he has that chance is because no other club will think him worth the contract he is currently on. Now he has to prove them all wrong. Fail to do so and his career is on a downward spiral from League 1.
It will be interesting where this goes. I can see one of 3 ways:
1 He messes up and sees out his contract until he is paid up and ends up in League 2 as a hopeful punt with someone (probably Tranmere).
2 He gets a chance coming in as cover/by earning his right to a place and attracts enough attention to be sold in January/next summer.
3 He really knuckles down, competes for a place and develops with us to become a top Championship striker. |  |
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| Norwood. on 18:25 - Jul 13 with 1002 views | stonojnr |
| Norwood. on 10:49 - Jul 13 by tractorboy1978 |
It's the pleading not guilty and the following fanciful story that gets me as much as anything. He was caught bang to rights, accept it and take your punishment. |
I havent followed the details of all this so apologies if its been covered elsewhere, but why did he plead not guilty ?
surely his legal team would have advised against it if his only mitigation was he thought he only drunk 2 beers, versus the police evidence of the factual breathalyser reading. | | | |
| Norwood. on 18:26 - Jul 13 with 1000 views | Coastalblue |
| Norwood. on 18:16 - Jul 13 by ArnieM |
…interesting, because the Police view drug driving as equally illegal and dangerous as drink driving. In fact there is now a higher rate of drug driving offences reported by police than drink driving , and the courts view it as just as seriously. The problem is society doesn’t ye5 view drug driving in the same as it does drink driving. As is borne out by your view, ( no judgement intended here btw). But it will eventually catch up and be seen in the same light as drink driving. |
I don't think it was being suggested that taking illegal substances and driving is any better than drink driving, more that taking them in the comfort and safety of your own home for example doesn't really rate alongside drink driving.
Driving intoxicated by anything, even prescription drugs is clearly wrong and should be punished, not sure many would disagree with that. |  |
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| Norwood. on 18:26 - Jul 13 with 1000 views | Melford |
| Norwood. on 11:46 - Jul 13 by DanTheMan |
"holier than thou"
Yeah actually I've never driven drunk so I think I can hand on heart say that he is a bell end for doing so.
He has more than enough money to afford taxis. It's not something someone does by accident, he choose to drink and drive.
Then he chose to plead not guilty to the charge despite having overtaken a police car whilst over the legal limit by quite a bit. Oh and his story of "I only had two pints" despite the readings he showed making that exceedingly unlikely shows yet more lies.
He's plainly not sorry, and I somewhat doubt this is the second time he has done this. It's just the second time he's got caught. |
One of the reasons I never learned to drive was until a couple of years ago I was a massive pisshead from back to my uni days and have done my fair share of drugs too back in the day. I knew if I ever had a motor, I'd end killing myself or someone else sooner or later if I did. I broke a collar bone and a few ribs and had a heavy concussion smashing into a parked car tripping off my nut on a bicycle at uni and it put me off ever driving. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 18:30]
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| Norwood. on 18:29 - Jul 13 with 996 views | jeera |
| Norwood. on 18:16 - Jul 13 by ArnieM |
…interesting, because the Police view drug driving as equally illegal and dangerous as drink driving. In fact there is now a higher rate of drug driving offences reported by police than drink driving , and the courts view it as just as seriously. The problem is society doesn’t ye5 view drug driving in the same as it does drink driving. As is borne out by your view, ( no judgement intended here btw). But it will eventually catch up and be seen in the same light as drink driving. |
Taking them.
Not taking them then driving. |  |
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| Norwood. on 18:39 - Jul 13 with 972 views | BryanPlug |
| Norwood. on 09:55 - Jul 13 by portmanking |
Totally agree. Living in Cockfield, a 40-month driving ban is almost like a prison sentence! |
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| Norwood. on 18:40 - Jul 13 with 971 views | jayessess |
| Norwood. on 18:10 - Jul 13 by ArnieM |
https://www.pib-riskmanagement.co.uk/news/dealing-with-a-drink-driving-employee/
https://www.pib-riskmanagement.co.uk/news/dealing-with-a-drink-driving-employee/
As I’ve said he is lucky to still have his job at this Club. MOST employees need their driving licence / car to get to work and for their work. And if an employee is convicted of drink driving they invariably lose their license especially if it’s a repeat offence or a serious enough over the limit offence. So yes an employee CAN be dismissed for gross misconduct IF those parameters are met.
Norwood is a very lucky person.
What IS annoying is professional footballers appear to drink drive ( or at least it’s reported possibly because they are high profile ), but with the amount of money they get paid there’s absolutely no excuse for them not to go by taxi ……no doubt Norwood will now be employing a taxi firm to drive him to and from trading and to PR on match days. Pity he didn’t use the same mind set when he went out drinking and driving. It’s not a first offence. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 18:18]
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All your link says is that it isn't legal to sack someone if they're charged with a drink driving offence, it doesn't offer an opinion on whether a conviction could be construed as "gross misconduct", so I'm not sure why you've posted it.
If you lost your licence and you worked specifically as a driver your employer might be able to legally dismiss you but even then, there have been industrial tribunal cases that found unfair dismissal even in those circumstances. "You need your car to get to work" certainly would not be grounds.
Again, it is not normally the case that a criminal conviction that did not result in a custodial offence and did not prevent you from doing your job, would stand up at industrial tribunal as legitimate grounds to dismiss someone.
Here's a Government link:
https://www.gov.uk/dismiss-staff/dismissals-on-capability-or-conduct-grounds
And a more exhaustive one from a legal advice website:
https://www.lawdonut.co.uk/business/employment-law/discipline-and-grievance/gros
As you can see it's almost exclusively about things you do at work, rather than outside, with violence, theft or corruption as the main exceptions. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 18:50]
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| Norwood. on 18:41 - Jul 13 with 969 views | jayessess |
| Norwood. on 18:16 - Jul 13 by ArnieM |
…interesting, because the Police view drug driving as equally illegal and dangerous as drink driving. In fact there is now a higher rate of drug driving offences reported by police than drink driving , and the courts view it as just as seriously. The problem is society doesn’t ye5 view drug driving in the same as it does drink driving. As is borne out by your view, ( no judgement intended here btw). But it will eventually catch up and be seen in the same light as drink driving. |
I view drug driving and drink driving as entirely equivalent morally speaking and never intimated otherwise. | |
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| Norwood. on 18:42 - Jul 13 with 963 views | Coastalblue |
| Norwood. on 18:39 - Jul 13 by BryanPlug |
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You mean like who put the Tea In Britain apt?
I thought much the same | |
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| Norwood. on 18:46 - Jul 13 with 950 views | Melford |
| Norwood. on 18:39 - Jul 13 by BryanPlug |
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He's going to have to move, Cockfield makes Melford look like Las Vegas. They don't even have a shop. | |
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| Norwood. on 18:50 - Jul 13 with 944 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Norwood. on 18:40 - Jul 13 by jayessess |
All your link says is that it isn't legal to sack someone if they're charged with a drink driving offence, it doesn't offer an opinion on whether a conviction could be construed as "gross misconduct", so I'm not sure why you've posted it.
If you lost your licence and you worked specifically as a driver your employer might be able to legally dismiss you but even then, there have been industrial tribunal cases that found unfair dismissal even in those circumstances. "You need your car to get to work" certainly would not be grounds.
Again, it is not normally the case that a criminal conviction that did not result in a custodial offence and did not prevent you from doing your job, would stand up at industrial tribunal as legitimate grounds to dismiss someone.
Here's a Government link:
https://www.gov.uk/dismiss-staff/dismissals-on-capability-or-conduct-grounds
And a more exhaustive one from a legal advice website:
https://www.lawdonut.co.uk/business/employment-law/discipline-and-grievance/gros
As you can see it's almost exclusively about things you do at work, rather than outside, with violence, theft or corruption as the main exceptions. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 18:50]
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I am not too sure that if someone lost their licence there would be any grounds for unfair dismissal if a full clean driving licence was a condition of their employment, unless there is a reasonable argument that they could have been moved to a desk job for the duration of their ban. I agree with the other points you make, though.
The bit that does seem a bit poor to me is the legal position that if you require your licence for your employment, you are less likely to be banned. Surely, if it is important for your work you should be doubly careful not to break the law in regard to driving and that, if you do you are more dangerous as you will be on the road more for your work. | |
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