| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September 17:20 - Jul 19 with 14236 views | ElderGrizzly |
For large events, such as football.
So vaccine proof/testing here to stay at Portman Road for a while yet.
Our understanding is a test will be allowed for exemptions, so this isn't quite correct. [Post edited 19 Jul 2021 17:22]
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| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:14 - Jul 19 with 2602 views | xrayspecs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 19:54 - Jul 19 by DanTheMan |
"cases in England jumped significantly during the Euros, especially around England games. Cases have been falling in recent days."
Where are you seeing the stats for this? The ones I can see on the Government website don't seem to back this up. |
Case data has flat lined over recent days. Some of this will be late reporting, but the very significant upward trend is slowing down. |  | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:18 - Jul 19 with 2584 views | WD19 |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:14 - Jul 19 by xrayspecs |
Case data has flat lined over recent days. Some of this will be late reporting, but the very significant upward trend is slowing down. |
A moment ago you said it was falling.
Now you say it is flatlining.
Neither is true. However much we would like it to be. |  | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:19 - Jul 19 with 2585 views | xrayspecs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 19:58 - Jul 19 by homer_123 |
'....but try not to present it as fact.'
With the greatest respect - you've then followed that with:
- While restrictions were lifted today, a lot of folk continue to observe social distancing rules/wear masks. I would expect this to continue
That aside, Scotland was actually the first country to see an uplift in cases due to the Euros ( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/30/surge-in-scottish-covid-cases-rais - that's Public Health Scotland).
Now, let's expand this scenario - the same measures that were taken at the Euros are not being taken at local football matches. That said, vaccine checks were pretty much non-existent at the Euros. That aside, it is evidently clear cases rose substantially, that's fact.
Therefore, what measures are ITFC taking that are over and above what we saw at the Euros that will mitigate the clear risk involved in attending a match? [Post edited 19 Jul 2021 20:00]
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My expectation is an opinion, it is not a fact.
Football has certainly has reduced social distancing and increased transmissions.
I would distinguish between infections at games (where Covid checks were in place for the two Euro 2020 games I attended, I suspect not much for the final though) and infections from people gathering to watch the football. It is the latter that appears to have driven the infection rate during the tournament.
If Town properly police double vaccination or negative LFT then it will reduce the likelihood of infections being spread. It is not different. | | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:21 - Jul 19 with 2573 views | xrayspecs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:04 - Jul 19 by homer_123 |
The last sentence is entirely true.
But you've got to admit - this is a monumental gamble, it maybe calculated but it is unprecedented. |
We are living in unprecedented times, completely agree.
What would the other parties do differently?
Much easier to be an expert from the outside than when you have to make the decisions.
Not a fan of the govt but do work in this sector so understand what they are trying to manage. | | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:23 - Jul 19 with 2560 views | xrayspecs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:18 - Jul 19 by WD19 |
A moment ago you said it was falling.
Now you say it is flatlining.
Neither is true. However much we would like it to be. |
The daily cases are lower, the trend is flattening, both are true. | | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:25 - Jul 19 with 2550 views | Bugs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 19:57 - Jul 19 by Dyland |
The app follows you about though.
Maybe there's a less invasive way of proving your jabs are up to date?
I'm a big vax n jab fan btw.
I am not a big fan of a track and trace app being used as a "passport" for anything.
I may have missed something though. Just saying, loike.
EDIT: Yeh yeh I know you can be traced through your phone no matter what, but that's only if the authorities are actively spying on you.
What are the GDPR implications here anyway?
I really need to keep up, and/or get out more/less [Post edited 19 Jul 2021 20:00]
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It's not the track and trace app that you use to prove you're jabbed it's the NHS app. It's a different thing altogether. |  | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:25 - Jul 19 with 2533 views | BlueBadger |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 19:23 - Jul 19 by EddyJ |
Good move from the government.
I don't want to risk having un-vaccinated people near me, unless they have a valid medical exemption.
Getting a vaccination is a civic duty to protect those around you who are vulnerable or unable to get a vaccination themselves. |
It would have been a good move if this had been announced when they were setting out the timetable for removal of restrictions.
Now it's an 'ooops, we're massively incompetent and should have done this fooking weeks ago' move. |  |
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| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:32 - Jul 19 with 2526 views | WD19 |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:23 - Jul 19 by xrayspecs |
The daily cases are lower, the trend is flattening, both are true. |
Please show your workings.
A confirmed case is someone who has tested positive for coronavirus. There were 39,950 new people with a confirmed positive test result for coronavirus on 19 July 2021. Between 13 July 2021 and 19 July 2021, there were 322,170 people who had a confirmed positive test result. This shows an increase of 41.2% compared to the previous 7 days. | | | |
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| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:41 - Jul 19 with 2494 views | xrayspecs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:32 - Jul 19 by WD19 |
Please show your workings.
A confirmed case is someone who has tested positive for coronavirus. There were 39,950 new people with a confirmed positive test result for coronavirus on 19 July 2021. Between 13 July 2021 and 19 July 2021, there were 322,170 people who had a confirmed positive test result. This shows an increase of 41.2% compared to the previous 7 days. |
Infection rate increases are slowing down.
Weekend numbers were lower than Friday, although I acknowledge there are delays in weekend reporting.
If the trend was upward and strong, they would have been much higher than they were.
We know that Euro2020 gatherings has been a significant driver over the last month or so, especially in England
As an aside, transmission rates in secondary schools have also been a factor, and we know that lots of children are now isolating at home and we are about to enter the summer holiday, so infection rates should automatically fall.
All points to a slowing down in the increase (as per some post earlier on this thread). There is some headroom now to do stuff, as we enter Autumn that freedom will not exist.
Keep well everyone. [Post edited 19 Jul 2021 20:42]
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| 60% of people in hospital, haven't.... on 20:48 - Jul 19 with 2476 views | Bloots |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 18:33 - Jul 19 by DinDjarin |
60% of people in hospital with covid have had both jabs.
The whole thing is a clusterf*** and not sure the passports will even happen. |
....had both jabs.
Vallance got it wrong. |  |
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| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:05 - Jul 19 with 2444 views | XYZ |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 20:14 - Jul 19 by xrayspecs |
Case data has flat lined over recent days. Some of this will be late reporting, but the very significant upward trend is slowing down. |
So why are they saying it will be 100k by the end of August? | | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:12 - Jul 19 with 2434 views | XYZ |
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| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:18 - Jul 19 with 2409 views | Gogs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:05 - Jul 19 by XYZ |
So why are they saying it will be 100k by the end of August? |
what that means is that cases will continue to increase towards 100k, but that the rate of increase is slowing down.
In simple terms lets say it was 50 cases one day, the following day it was 75, that's an increase of 25. Then 95 the next day, 105 the day after, 110 the day after that, that's increases of 20, 10, 5 respectively. The rate of increase is slowing down or flatlining. As far as i know this is correct. |  | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:19 - Jul 19 with 2407 views | xrayspecs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:05 - Jul 19 by XYZ |
So why are they saying it will be 100k by the end of August? |
Because the restrictions are being lifted today? | | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:24 - Jul 19 with 2388 views | DinDjarin |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 17:35 - Jul 19 by ElderGrizzly |
By then, every over 18 in England will have had the opportunity to have 2 doses and be 14 days post-second dose.
If they have a genuine reason not to have one, there will always be exemptions made.
I wouldn't say it's farcical, just common sense to try and prevent future lockdowns and allow businesses to operate at full capacity. |
Proof of a negative test in the previous 48 hours is the only option.
Just because you have had both jabs that should not give you free reign to go where ever whenever unchecked.
The current hospital figures show that you can still catch, spread and become seriously ill. |  | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:31 - Jul 19 with 2363 views | xrayspecs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:24 - Jul 19 by DinDjarin |
Proof of a negative test in the previous 48 hours is the only option.
Just because you have had both jabs that should not give you free reign to go where ever whenever unchecked.
The current hospital figures show that you can still catch, spread and become seriously ill. |
Most of those who are currently hospitalised despited being double vaccinated are the clinically vulnerable, they have multiple risk factors to Covid (age, diabetes, immuno-supressed) Will try and find the reference from the last few days on this. | | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:38 - Jul 19 with 2339 views | DinDjarin |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:31 - Jul 19 by xrayspecs |
Most of those who are currently hospitalised despited being double vaccinated are the clinically vulnerable, they have multiple risk factors to Covid (age, diabetes, immuno-supressed) Will try and find the reference from the last few days on this. |
Hasn't that been the case from the start anyway? | | | |
| Be happy then..... on 21:39 - Jul 19 with 2339 views | Bloots |
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| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:41 - Jul 19 with 2328 views | xrayspecs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:38 - Jul 19 by DinDjarin |
Hasn't that been the case from the start anyway? |
Yes. Remains the case. The vaccine reduces but does not eliminate risk for the most vulnerable. | | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:52 - Jul 19 with 2291 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 19:10 - Jul 19 by StokieBlue |
That's not a scientific reason though, if there is a risk in September there is equal risk now. The rules will be the same and the variant will likely be the same.
You're basically saying it's fine to open up now and because the NHS has capacity not but later - that's not ideal for the people who end up in hospital before September.
Let's just finally put to bed that the government are actually using the science and the data.
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… because if you haven’t realised now after 18 months or so of this pandemic, this government has been a clusterfeck from the word go on it. What else are you really expecting? |  |
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| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 22:14 - Jul 19 with 2234 views | xrayspecs |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 21:52 - Jul 19 by Kieran_Knows |
… because if you haven’t realised now after 18 months or so of this pandemic, this government has been a clusterfeck from the word go on it. What else are you really expecting? |
I would argue that their decision making is passable.
Their communications consistency has been poor.
Their leadership has been lacking - leaders need to walk the talk.
Boris is the worst PM I can remember.
It does not though mean that all their decisions are wrong. | | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 22:17 - Jul 19 with 2221 views | m14_blue |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 19:19 - Jul 19 by JamestownPrince |
Ultra Right wing Christians - on one side the "Latin Mass only brigade" (Jesus never spoke in Latin!) that thinks the Pope Francis is in Mortal Sin and as the vaccine is based on work from an aborted fetus 60 years ago, anyone who takes it is going straight to "The lake of fire" - the Body of Christ can only be given on the tongue and not in the hand and everyone must drink out the same infected cup - this is a small % of Catholics (a massive total of ZERO teachers I work / have worked with with have said they believe this (I'm a Prod going back to be working in a Catholic School)
On the other side are Trump supporters, not the educated but the ....White Lives are far more important "Sola Scripture" Protestants - the ones where everything in the Bible is literal, all Rock music is played for the Devil, you should stone the bloke next door as his girlfriend is separated from a wife beater and its her fault, God hates Fags and any vaccine injection is the "Mark of the Beast" and faith alone will cure you.
Please get a jab if you can....... if not read on
But please if you don't get the vaccine - just have a regular test, its free, takes 10 minutes and if it allows me to have a beer / watch football and allow my 84 year old father to die peacefully in 6 months time from Leukemia, rather than me passing Covid on to him and he dies alone in a hospital.
Balls in your half (hopefully not punted up aimlessly by Chambers) |
Sorry to hear about your old man and hope so much that you get your wish, doesn’t seem like too much to ask for does it? | | | |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 22:21 - Jul 19 with 2212 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Govt just announced vaccine 'passports' needed from September on 17:38 - Jul 19 by StokieBlue |
If it's needed from September why isn't it needed now?
I know not everyone is double-jabbed but if it's not safe to go without two jabs why are we opening up?
It's just another contradiction.
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Makes no sense at all does it. Go mix and spread now then bring in some reatrictions for 2+months time.
Yet again the government is useless |  | | |
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