| Everything is awesome 21:52 - Aug 15 with 20351 views | Mullet |
Having seen both league games thus far, it's pretty clear that Cook's decision to be "Demolition Man" might well render his time here a cult classic, rather than the blockbuster we are budgeting for.
It wasn't necessary to rip apart the whole team, it was a decision and direction decided upon, and the first few steps have seen us in the gutter haven't they? Overloaded with attacking depth but unable to find a front 4 that doesn't limit Piggott to playing second balls to new runners or empty spaces for most of his time on the pitch.
He and Fraser have been devastating at this level for smaller teams, as with most of the individuals you can see the potential there but that doesn't mean we are yet. Lots of possession and a clear intent to strafe wide and overload fullbacks. It's ironic we conceded in that way against Burton. KVY finding himself further forward than he managed prior, the whole side gets caught out and once again it's one shot and we are behind.
Cook has been here months, he couldn't make it work with what he had, he has been given way more than anyone else for a long time. It's all well and good pointing to his past at other clubs, but his past at Ipswich and thus his present, is closer to the bloody woeful we've been accustomed to. Pointing that out is not the TWTD equivalent of going to the Vatican and giving the Pope a kick up the ass.
You can probably be assured Cook and his staff will be unhappy with the points tally and the manner in which we've been so generous to teams with far smaller budgets and even more churn in the case of Morecambe.
More worryingly for them might be Ashton and the higher ups. They clearly didn't appoint Cook, they perhaps didn't see prudence in removing him right away either financially or morally when taking over. This is a marriage of convenience in some respects and this summer seems very much like Cook is backing himself, using the dollars available. That could all change very quickly without promotion on the table.
Pretending promotion is beyond this club is equally laughable, especially given all the chiding about "ambition" in recent years and when we were looking to do it in the league above. It absolutely must and should be the minimum we expect. 3 teams will go up, we should be one of them preferably as champions - otherwise this recall to Cook's CV is fairly moot. Let alone the fact we've got rid of Evans' approach and been told everything we wanted to hear for years.
Harper and Edwards look like they belong on the path to being in the league above already, and will hone that claim with game time. The lovely shapes Harper made when we got the ball down and he broke the play up were even better than the few times Dobra and Fraser did it. The fact we then didn't see players getting off shots and were reduced to hoping that flashes across the goal might be turned in yesterday, speaks to how disjointed we are.
The manner in which we conceded a second against Morecambe, seemed to plague us up top yesterday and with so many personnel changes it's not that surprising. Adding Burgess in will help breed some confidence amongst players and fans alike, it's a late but welcome addition in my opinion.
Woolfenden won a fair amount yesterday, Donacien again showed he's incredibly dependable but will never really excel. Given KVY seems to have lost a yard in his feet and another in his head, whether it's fear of getting hurt or a lack of fitness, the idea of replacing him with JD makes the whole system Cook is trying to employ, severely hampered. Regardless he hasn't managed many games for us yet and assuming he should or will is risky still.
Penney like many others seems to have the right ideas but not the right amount of belief or understanding around him. Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe sh1t seems to be the pattern of play we've settled for so far. But that will improve as time goes on. If it doesn't then we truly are a managerial graveyard and need something else drastically.
Fans haven't been in the grounds for over a year and that seems to play on everyone concerned. When we concede the atmosphere whooshes out and away almost instantly. People either side of the lines are unsure about what to say and do, particularly when things don't go as we'd like. But no amount of thought-policing and insistence on being cheery about failing to beat not one, but two teams, we'd never consider rivals to promotion is as wrong as it is tiring.
Just as it seemed there was a place for Toto and Norwood, there now doesn't unless they cycle in as others replace them on the treatment table and the timescales to get the spine sorted makes it little wonder why we've come out of the season crawling along.
Pointing to when and what side X or manager Y did is fairly irrelevant. There isn't a context which lends itself to ITFC completely changing in a matter of weeks and with it expectations and the ability to meet them.
Hladky has looked a far more rounded keeper, our central midfielders as good as those we just sold to promotion chasers in the league above, there's an abundance of threat up top but so far less return than we needed. But we've failed to keep teams out with barely a fight.
This has the makings of the most exciting season since the playoff campaign (because of where it sets us up to be) and there is enough about us to see us do well, but thinking we can just will that into existence is stupid. The longer we ponder and fail to produce wins with regularity the speed with which this league will leave us behind is the one thing we should have gotten used to in the years we've been down here.
It's a massive stain on this club being relegated to this level. It's still very much all over us for now. There's nothing wrong with facing up to that regularly either is there? They've been pretty open with us how long it will take to sort off the field, but on the field it should definitely be a much shorter timescale. |  |
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| Everything is awesome on 22:18 - Aug 16 with 3310 views | Moriarty |
| Everything is awesome on 21:46 - Aug 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"One poster has suggested that the reason things may not have started as we might like is because Ashton brought in some players and not Cook. We're at that level unfortunately."
Are we? Because one poster suggested it? |
That’s what my post said. “One poster”. Do you think said poster had a point? I opted not to name him and neither do I have him on ignore. I don’t agree with said posters view, but it’s not offensive.
However, the said post enshrined a refusal by some on here to entertain any concerns about Cook, notwithstanding the sincerity and validity of those concerns. |  |
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| Everything is awesome on 22:32 - Aug 16 with 3283 views | Moriarty |
| Everything is awesome on 22:06 - Aug 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Fortunately Moriaty’s post was a rather one-sided take on what actually happened
Proud to be English by Moriarty 9 Jul 2021 11:00In 1995, England came to Dublin to play a friendly. Big Jack was Ireland's manager. The game was abandoned after Ireland took the lead as English fans went on the rampage. Funny enough, one of the images from that night was a young child, this time a young boy, looking on in fear and shock at the mayhem being caused by English thugs unfolded. Big Jack was furious and was having a right go himself at those English fans.
That night saw the great and the ugly of England and English football collide on Irish soil. Big Jack, revered here, a sporting legend and thoroughly decent guy vs the cowardly thugs who also hailed from his shores. And it wasn't a minority of those supporters who indulged in the mayhem.
No question England has many honourable men and women, decent, upright, proud of a really likeable bunch of players and manager who have every chance of winning on Sunday. They are the polar opposite of those that can instantly quell an inclination to hope England win, such as elements of the English media , public figures like Priti Patel , some of the supporters and others, so bereft of integrity and decency. But then again, isn't if fair to say no nation can always offer clean hands?
There was a little clip doing some rounds here of a few exuberant (and harmless) English fans asking a few locals here how to sing "It's coming home" in Irish and then a few minutes later they're singing "Tiocfaidh ar la" with great gusto, pints aloft, English shirts on. IF only they knew.
Whatever will be sung on Sunday night as Monday, (and possibly your bonus bank holiday, draw near) one hopes that the decency prevails and that those who represent all that is right about England and English sport and football, will be the ones we can remember and that it is they who are at the forefront on Sunday.
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I certainly won’t re run it but in case it has been misconstrued, I was saying I had experienced the good and bad of English football. In case it isn’t clear, or came across the wrong way, my reference to what the Irish fans did follows “no nation can offer clean hands”. In other words, we’re not perfect either. In case it needs to be clarified, I certainly did not think what they did was funny or acceptable and I had hoped it was clear I didn’t approve.
I think my post makes the point that I hoped all things good about England and English football would prevail. Sadly things took a different turn.
Likening me to what I was likened to was appalling and unfair. As was being called “dirt” etc.
PS. My father is English. | |
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| Everything is awesome on 22:33 - Aug 16 with 3278 views | Moriarty |
| Everything is awesome on 22:14 - Aug 16 by Ryorry |
Just to say I remember that thread, have just checked it again, & what's been written about it today is a misrepresentation of it. The 3 people referred to are decent, regular posters who are still here.
People can go and check that out for themselves, & hopefully make their own minds up. I doubt Phil would appreciate a re-run of it.
Edit: Written before I'd seen C.Healey's post, with which I agree. When I wrote "what's been written about it today is a misrepresentation of it" I meant only by Moriarty, not Healey. [Post edited 16 Aug 2021 22:31]
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We see it very differently then. | |
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| Everything is awesome on 22:41 - Aug 16 with 3253 views | Moriarty |
| Everything is awesome on 21:58 - Aug 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Ref your second paragraph, that's disgraceful and I am very sorry you had that from anyone let alone 3 people. I am very sorry you had to deal with that. |
Thanks for that.
Maybe they misunderstood the point I was making. Ryorry says they are decent posters and maybe they are. I certainly think Ryorry is sincere, even if I don’t agree with Ryorry.
I’ll take them off ignore for a week and if they want to dm me, I’ll leave it to them.
I certainly meant no offence and remain very much of the view the attack on me was nasty and unfair.
I probably shouldn’t have brought it up!
I strive to be a decent poster myself! | |
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| Everything is awesome on 22:41 - Aug 16 with 3263 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Everything is awesome on 22:33 - Aug 16 by Moriarty |
We see it very differently then. |
Just had a quick scroll through and it reads like there was some misinterpreting of what you posted that led to entrenched positions. Some things that were said as a result were not good. I am sorry that those things were said to you.
Those posters seem to have taken your initial post as far more negative than I think you meant it to be. I can see why they read it that way. What they said about you was wrong.
As already said, best not to dig over old ground. |  |
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| Everything is awesome on 22:43 - Aug 16 with 3242 views | Moriarty |
| Everything is awesome on 22:41 - Aug 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Just had a quick scroll through and it reads like there was some misinterpreting of what you posted that led to entrenched positions. Some things that were said as a result were not good. I am sorry that those things were said to you.
Those posters seem to have taken your initial post as far more negative than I think you meant it to be. I can see why they read it that way. What they said about you was wrong.
As already said, best not to dig over old ground. |
Agreed! Hence my taking them off ignore and if they want to dm, so be it.
I won’t bring it up again either way.
Many thanks for your understanding. | |
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| Everything is awesome on 23:17 - Aug 16 with 3214 views | olimar |
Pretty sure it will start to come good, but youve basically underlined most of the nagging concerns I have for why it might not.
Regardless of the owners preference for Cook as a manager, he has already asked fans to ignore 15 or so opening games of dire results and performances and loaded it all against a playing squad that had actually been performing better before he arrived. Then he has been presented with a squad of new players that have been selected as specialists for exactly the roles he wants and who have performed very well in those roles at other L1 and above clubs. Some of them have even performed those exact roles very well for Cook himself.
The combimation of both of those points says that Cook should be able to bring the squad together quicker than, say, Blackpool last year, and that if he doesnt there will be shorter patience, having already asked people to wait to see any kind of results for several months.
Add in the fact that the owners potentially want a Championship quality manager, to match the kind of ambition they have shown with the player signings. |  | | |
| Everything is awesome on 23:23 - Aug 16 with 3202 views | pointofblue |
| Everything is awesome on 23:17 - Aug 16 by olimar |
Pretty sure it will start to come good, but youve basically underlined most of the nagging concerns I have for why it might not.
Regardless of the owners preference for Cook as a manager, he has already asked fans to ignore 15 or so opening games of dire results and performances and loaded it all against a playing squad that had actually been performing better before he arrived. Then he has been presented with a squad of new players that have been selected as specialists for exactly the roles he wants and who have performed very well in those roles at other L1 and above clubs. Some of them have even performed those exact roles very well for Cook himself.
The combimation of both of those points says that Cook should be able to bring the squad together quicker than, say, Blackpool last year, and that if he doesnt there will be shorter patience, having already asked people to wait to see any kind of results for several months.
Add in the fact that the owners potentially want a Championship quality manager, to match the kind of ambition they have shown with the player signings. |
To be fair, Cook took a newly promoted side in a complete mess due to off pitch financial issues and dragged them and what was, yes, an awful start into what would have been midtable in the Championship had it not been for a points deduction, so he can certainly do it at that level.
On the flip side, Keane and Jewell were proven at that level too... | |
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| Everything is awesome on 00:21 - Aug 17 with 3161 views | timothyeo |
| Everything is awesome on 19:05 - Aug 16 by legoman |
lol. |
You fancy actually debating?
Oh wait lol, you're the kid who said this start of the season is more exciting than anything else in the past 50 years.
Nevermind, carry on with the trolling. | | | |
| Everything is awesome on 00:25 - Aug 17 with 3162 views | timothyeo |
I'm noticing some common trends in this thread.
The best has to be a new made up lie despite the evidence being available, that Mick didn't have an instant impact when he came in and this lie is somehow used to excuse Cooks start here.
Thats a little silly. Firstly, Mick is a much better manager than Cook having managed successfully at a higher level for a number of years, so it's unfair to make that comparison.
The second seems to be that all posters accept Cook has a proven record at this level. The only difference seems to be there are some who will blindly ignore everything in front of them because of this proven record, whilst there are others who will acknowledge the proven record but equally point out we've not seen it here yet. | | | |
| Everything is awesome on 08:34 - Aug 17 with 3021 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Ahem - whilst I agree that Cook has seemed pretty clueless so far I suspect he WAS appointed by the franchise - unless he was expecting a very rapid pay-off. I'd also take issue with your assertion that it's a massive stain for a badly run club to be relegated to the third division - this is preceisely where Town were when I first became aware of them - and they came from non-league football and could return their in a merit-based football pyramid - it's not a stain - just the way football works.
What I find vaguely amusing about the whole Ohio Property Franchise is that it is so 'un-Ipswich' - yet has been welcomed by supporters and a sycophantic local media, presumably out of desparation.
For over half a century the club has built its history and reputation on local players, home grown players and a local identity - essentially born of the Cobbolds. This started to be frittered away in the Sheepshanks era - and was thrown away in the Evans sell off. Now we are a slightly repugnant USA debt-bought franchise
The club is essentially owned by a shadowy property management company in Ohio delegating to some fantasists in Phoenix, delegating to a man in an open neck shirt who has delegated to Cook. End result a job lot of players and an influx of staff none of who have anythng to do with Ipswich, 'run' by a group of people who once again are not even in the same country - fronted by a smarmy bloke who seems a bit of wannabee football exec jobsworth.
It's not something many Town supporters equate with Ipswich Town - but you have to have a fairly long memory to remember a football club here - so I guess to Town fans under 30 the franchise is pretty awesome. | |
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| Its all getting a bit tit for tat on here.. LETS GET SOME FACTS on 09:28 - Aug 17 with 2994 views | unstableblue |
| Everything is awesome on 00:25 - Aug 17 by timothyeo |
I'm noticing some common trends in this thread.
The best has to be a new made up lie despite the evidence being available, that Mick didn't have an instant impact when he came in and this lie is somehow used to excuse Cooks start here.
Thats a little silly. Firstly, Mick is a much better manager than Cook having managed successfully at a higher level for a number of years, so it's unfair to make that comparison.
The second seems to be that all posters accept Cook has a proven record at this level. The only difference seems to be there are some who will blindly ignore everything in front of them because of this proven record, whilst there are others who will acknowledge the proven record but equally point out we've not seen it here yet. |
Lets just say it how it is:
- Mick left the club years ago, inherited a different situation, so discussing him is completely irrelevant and pointless
- Cook has a poor record at Ipswich to date
- Cook inherited a squad that by the admission of leaving players and coaches that was completely ineffectual and broken
- Despite the poor culture and lack of performance at the club, Cook had no bounce whatsoever
- Ipswich have signed 16, SIXTEEEN, players and a large number have literally only just joined and have not played
- Several of the new signings are already looking really good additions and a step change
- Football teams take time to settle on a preferred 11, for partnerships and patterns to emerge
- Cook's system of play is still not coming through as effective yet, none more so than the No 10 and striker relationship
- Fans are not patient, much in part due to the performance at the end of last season
- Teams are successful by having confidence and getting a run of results, a momentum, negativity from the fan base can hamper this
- the leadership team stated that it would take time for the team to settle and requested patience and support, Ipswich have played two league games
Looking at the above for me that means backing the team and project for some time, and really singing our hearts out against MK Dons. |  |
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| Everything is awesome on 10:31 - Aug 17 with 2957 views | SamWhiteUK |
I got as far as "in the gutter" before realising this wasn't going to be worth reading |  | | |
| Everything is awesome on 10:32 - Aug 17 with 2956 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Everything is awesome on 15:25 - Aug 16 by Keaneish |
Agreed. I actually think we'll be looking back in about 4 or 5 games time and chuckling to be honest.
I think some people have lost sight of the fact we've changed owners, manager, backroom staff and nearly all the playing personnel in a ridiculously short space. There are probably lads in that changing room who have barely spoken to each other or worked out their standing within the group yet.
Roll on tomorrow night and a happy drive home. |
I'm chuckling at it now, it's more pompous than a pop-tart. |  |
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| Everything is awesome on 10:41 - Aug 17 with 2948 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Everything is awesome on 15:55 - Aug 16 by Moriarty |
To deny Mick made an immediate impact is simply untrue. We were dead and buried until he came and ended up in the play offs. Cook didn't have any new bounce having come in on the back of 3 wins (if somewhat fortunate wins). We limped badly to season end and he then decimated the squad. Will that leave scars? Challenging the narrative that everything was all the player's fault is perfectly reasonable, indeed necessary.
Dozzell is gone to a championship club, ditto Downes. For decent wedge. Gibbs to a premiership club who had been aware of him, glimpses or otherwise. We went scrambling on 30th June to retain Gibbs. We messed up there. All 3 came from our academy.
I think Mullet's post is perfectly reasoned and valid and certainly don't agree with you when you say "as is always the case". If you wish to take aim about the MM reference, you can aim at me as I'm the one who gave the example of Mick's first game v Birmingham. However, I think it remains a valid point.
I recall you were an advocate of Cook before he arrived. I was for Dyer. Even if things don't work out for him here, it wont make Cook a bad manager. Rather , it will mean it just didn't work for him here. But his record with other clubs can't shield him from scrutiny here and our results have not improved since he came. Personally though, I'm not a fan of two holding midfielders.
I don't think dampers are being put on anything either. Cook knows its a results business. I think it is universally accepted that there must be a degree of patience but that has to be balanced against what we are playing and the players we have at our disposal.
We all want promotion and in supporting that, we should always be free to question and challenge. [Post edited 16 Aug 2021 15:57]
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So much rewriting of the facts here.
"To deny Mick made an immediate impact is simply untrue"
- no-one has denied that, they simply pointed out we got tonked in a couple of his early games.
"We were dead and buried until he came and ended up in the play offs."
- no we didn't, we finished 14th in his first season. If you're saying ended up in the play offs, well that was in his 3rd season so you ought to be giving Cook 3 seasons!
"Gibbs to a premiership club...we went scrambling on 30th June to retain Gibbs."
- We let Gibbs go! We offered him a contract and never bettered it. We didn't lose him. | |
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| Everything is awesome on 11:04 - Aug 17 with 2903 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Everything is awesome on 22:15 - Aug 16 by Coastalblue |
I will preface this by saying I like Cook, I like the players that have come in and I think ultimately we'll succeed this season and quantify that by saying I mean playoffs, however
There really does seem to be a case of emperor's new clothes for some people. Cook hasn't had a great start, far from it and to pretend otherwise is ludicrous. There are some issues currently, which I'm sure he will address but it doesn't mean they aren't there. There are also mitigating circumstances, lots of them, some of them his own doing, some not.
Calling people out for pointing out where the current issues lie on a forum designed to be used for this purpose, alongside discussing chees of course does nobody any favours.
He's a good manager, he's not perfect, he will make mistakes, God willing he will succeed here and is being given every opportunity (and some) to ensure that he does, it's not guaranteed though. [Post edited 17 Aug 2021 0:38]
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But no-one's pretending he's had a good start. Yet another straw man!
The sensible people are saying give him time, we're 2 league games in with a totally new team (and new structure off the pitch too). That's it. Give him time! | |
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| Everything is awesome on 11:27 - Aug 17 with 2881 views | Coastalblue |
| Everything is awesome on 11:04 - Aug 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
But no-one's pretending he's had a good start. Yet another straw man!
The sensible people are saying give him time, we're 2 league games in with a totally new team (and new structure off the pitch too). That's it. Give him time! |
You do so love to pick an argument where none is there, are you sponsored to get straw man into every thread as many times as you can? |  |
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| Everything is awesome on 12:44 - Aug 17 with 2814 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Everything is awesome on 22:18 - Aug 16 by Moriarty |
That’s what my post said. “One poster”. Do you think said poster had a point? I opted not to name him and neither do I have him on ignore. I don’t agree with said posters view, but it’s not offensive.
However, the said post enshrined a refusal by some on here to entertain any concerns about Cook, notwithstanding the sincerity and validity of those concerns. |
No I don't think he had a point, and nor do you. There's no evidence that things may not have started as we might like is because Ashton brought in some players and not Cook. You've cited that as a possibility and said that's where we're at now, on the basis of one poster saying it!
My point is there's no evidence that that's where we're at now. | |
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| Everything is awesome on 13:35 - Aug 17 with 2752 views | blueasfook |
TL;DR?
Moan moan moan
But I agree with a lot of what you say :D |  |
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| Everything is awesome on 13:37 - Aug 17 with 2744 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Everything is awesome on 00:25 - Aug 17 by timothyeo |
I'm noticing some common trends in this thread.
The best has to be a new made up lie despite the evidence being available, that Mick didn't have an instant impact when he came in and this lie is somehow used to excuse Cooks start here.
Thats a little silly. Firstly, Mick is a much better manager than Cook having managed successfully at a higher level for a number of years, so it's unfair to make that comparison.
The second seems to be that all posters accept Cook has a proven record at this level. The only difference seems to be there are some who will blindly ignore everything in front of them because of this proven record, whilst there are others who will acknowledge the proven record but equally point out we've not seen it here yet. |
Can you link me to where this lie about Mick is? I seem to have missed it. | |
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| Everything is awesome on 13:37 - Aug 17 with 2743 views | Herbivore |
| Everything is awesome on 11:27 - Aug 17 by Coastalblue |
You do so love to pick an argument where none is there, are you sponsored to get straw man into every thread as many times as you can? |
I think Phil has him on the payroll to help generate ten pagers. All about the advertising revenue. |  |
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| Its all getting a bit tit for tat on here.. LETS GET SOME FACTS on 13:39 - Aug 17 with 2739 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Its all getting a bit tit for tat on here.. LETS GET SOME FACTS on 09:28 - Aug 17 by unstableblue |
Lets just say it how it is:
- Mick left the club years ago, inherited a different situation, so discussing him is completely irrelevant and pointless
- Cook has a poor record at Ipswich to date
- Cook inherited a squad that by the admission of leaving players and coaches that was completely ineffectual and broken
- Despite the poor culture and lack of performance at the club, Cook had no bounce whatsoever
- Ipswich have signed 16, SIXTEEEN, players and a large number have literally only just joined and have not played
- Several of the new signings are already looking really good additions and a step change
- Football teams take time to settle on a preferred 11, for partnerships and patterns to emerge
- Cook's system of play is still not coming through as effective yet, none more so than the No 10 and striker relationship
- Fans are not patient, much in part due to the performance at the end of last season
- Teams are successful by having confidence and getting a run of results, a momentum, negativity from the fan base can hamper this
- the leadership team stated that it would take time for the team to settle and requested patience and support, Ipswich have played two league games
Looking at the above for me that means backing the team and project for some time, and really singing our hearts out against MK Dons. |
Excellent post. | |
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| Everything is awesome on 13:40 - Aug 17 with 2729 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Everything is awesome on 11:27 - Aug 17 by Coastalblue |
You do so love to pick an argument where none is there, are you sponsored to get straw man into every thread as many times as you can? |
If people stop making straw man arguments I won't have to keep mentioning them!
Why not answer the point instead of deflecting? | |
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| Everything is awesome on 13:43 - Aug 17 with 2716 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Everything is awesome on 13:37 - Aug 17 by Herbivore |
I think Phil has him on the payroll to help generate ten pagers. All about the advertising revenue. |
If you're going to ignore my posts why don't you ignore them properly instead of this cowardly agreeing with others bull? | |
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| Everything is awesome on 14:46 - Aug 17 with 2665 views | Mullet |
| Everything is awesome on 22:15 - Aug 16 by Coastalblue |
I will preface this by saying I like Cook, I like the players that have come in and I think ultimately we'll succeed this season and quantify that by saying I mean playoffs, however
There really does seem to be a case of emperor's new clothes for some people. Cook hasn't had a great start, far from it and to pretend otherwise is ludicrous. There are some issues currently, which I'm sure he will address but it doesn't mean they aren't there. There are also mitigating circumstances, lots of them, some of them his own doing, some not.
Calling people out for pointing out where the current issues lie on a forum designed to be used for this purpose, alongside discussing chees of course does nobody any favours.
He's a good manager, he's not perfect, he will make mistakes, God willing he will succeed here and is being given every opportunity (and some) to ensure that he does, it's not guaranteed though. [Post edited 17 Aug 2021 0:38]
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It's odd there's a thread where unanimously people are expecting 3 pts tonight, and we certainly need it. Some of them have spent the last 48hrs desperately having a pop and trying to get my attention and validate their own inadequacy it seems.
The problem is these people got it very wrong about Jewell / Mick / Hurst even Lambert (to varying degrees) and haven't seemingly learnt from that. This summer was full of triumphalism on here.
Simply "having better players" and "time to gel" were still being bandied about after Morecambe had more changes and played their first game at this level and Burton reversed us.
Cook was a great appointment for where we were, Gamechanger lived up to their name and its hard to know how that lines up but people are now refuting facts left, right and centre again rather than accepting what's evident.
To hear "as long as there's progress" after weeks and months of more HMS Piss the League and promotion talk, makes the desperation to play down how important getting out of this league is. Especially when citing Cook's previous successes in the breath before much of it.
I'd like to hope the lessening margin for error is what produces results. Roberts seemed to have a great rapport with the players before games but we saw how that turned out for Jimmy Walker etc. The fact we have such attacking talents means it won't be long before the lack of chances we've created is righted and people stop scapegoating Woolfenden or departed players. | |
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