| Hope everyone is ready 08:06 - Sep 27 with 9476 views | chicoazul |
…for the rolling blackouts, meat rationing, bins collected once a month, fuel shortages, price inflation, and materials shortages of the next 7 months.
Never mind petrol; start panic buying warm blankets.
Still at least Greta will be happy. |  |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 22:09 - Sep 27 with 1319 views | eireblue |
| Hope everyone is ready on 19:53 - Sep 27 by Bluedicea |
The problem with veganism, is it's not really safe for most people on it's own, which is a shame.
Vegans need to take certain supplements to make up for deficiencies in their diet, and as everyone needs different amounts of nutrients every day, the only way to ensure that is by having a balanced diet, unless you have regular blood tests to check what your body is deficient in.
It terrible for kids too, affecting their development, so much so many governments around the world are looking into ways to possibly ban it for kids despitenot wanting to intervene in family lifestyles, so they can ensure the children stay healthy and aren't disadvantaged.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/child-health/news/2021/jun/vegan-diets-children-may-bring- |
Your first sentence is nonsense. |  | | |
| Hope everyone is ready on 22:45 - Sep 27 with 1278 views | blueconscience |
| Hope everyone is ready on 20:27 - Sep 27 by bazza |
Yea, but medium rare rib eye tho … |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 23:06 - Sep 27 with 1249 views | monytowbray |
| Hope everyone is ready on 22:45 - Sep 27 by blueconscience |
You made my tummy rumble |
You need to rethink your username then. |  |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 00:02 - Sep 28 with 1227 views | HARRY10 |
| Hope everyone is ready on 22:09 - Sep 27 by eireblue |
Your first sentence is nonsense. |
I think the idea is to let you know right away what is to follow |  | | |
| Hope everyone is ready on 07:16 - Sep 28 with 1171 views | blueconscience |
| Hope everyone is ready on 23:06 - Sep 27 by monytowbray |
You need to rethink your username then. |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 09:44 - Sep 28 with 1110 views | monytowbray |
| Hope everyone is ready on 07:16 - Sep 28 by blueconscience |
Blue = cold = uncaring |
Touche!
But seriously, meat ain’t all that. | |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 12:51 - Sep 28 with 1062 views | J2BLUE |
| Hope everyone is ready on 19:53 - Sep 27 by Bluedicea |
The problem with veganism, is it's not really safe for most people on it's own, which is a shame.
Vegans need to take certain supplements to make up for deficiencies in their diet, and as everyone needs different amounts of nutrients every day, the only way to ensure that is by having a balanced diet, unless you have regular blood tests to check what your body is deficient in.
It terrible for kids too, affecting their development, so much so many governments around the world are looking into ways to possibly ban it for kids despitenot wanting to intervene in family lifestyles, so they can ensure the children stay healthy and aren't disadvantaged.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/child-health/news/2021/jun/vegan-diets-children-may-bring- |
Some American university professor asked his students to write down their food intake for a period of time. They were all deficient in at least one nutrient. Most were deficient in many nutrients. We just know about the vegan issue more because it's been done to death.
The vast majority of humans in the world could do with taking at least one supplement.
Don't Americans add vitamins A and D to cow milk? Is that really any different to vegans adding B12 to plant milk? |  |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 12:58 - Sep 28 with 1053 views | bluelagos |
| Hope everyone is ready on 12:51 - Sep 28 by J2BLUE |
Some American university professor asked his students to write down their food intake for a period of time. They were all deficient in at least one nutrient. Most were deficient in many nutrients. We just know about the vegan issue more because it's been done to death.
The vast majority of humans in the world could do with taking at least one supplement.
Don't Americans add vitamins A and D to cow milk? Is that really any different to vegans adding B12 to plant milk? |
Absolutely, the argument that you should avoid a Vegan diet when anyone can simply take supplements if that is a problem, is quiet bizarre. |  |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 13:41 - Sep 28 with 1000 views | leitrimblue |
| Hope everyone is ready on 20:42 - Sep 27 by Darth_Koont |
Local, organic and free range doesn’t mean sustainable when it comes to most meat and dairy products. And transport is surprisingly negligible overall.
With certain foods, beef being easily the worst, it’s the excessive energy and emissions you put in for the relatively few calories you get out that’s the big problem.
You get the same calories, but some meal choices are the equivalent of turning on your oven, opening the door and just heating the air for a day. That’s the sort of bill with nature we’re racking up. |
Sorry Herbs/Tony M, I'm still confused as feck an I have no excuse this morning. I have to admit I'm intrigued/slightly fascinated by the end game. Having spent the evening thinking about it ( thanks Ton...) If we just release all the cattle into the wild for example how would this reduce energy and emissions? Would we not need to cull all livestock to reduce these? Guess you could cull all the males first an let the rest slowly die out? Or introduce a predator or 2? |  | | |
| Hope everyone is ready on 13:45 - Sep 28 with 996 views | Herbivore |
| Hope everyone is ready on 13:41 - Sep 28 by leitrimblue |
Sorry Herbs/Tony M, I'm still confused as feck an I have no excuse this morning. I have to admit I'm intrigued/slightly fascinated by the end game. Having spent the evening thinking about it ( thanks Ton...) If we just release all the cattle into the wild for example how would this reduce energy and emissions? Would we not need to cull all livestock to reduce these? Guess you could cull all the males first an let the rest slowly die out? Or introduce a predator or 2? |
There's millions if not billions of cattle being bread for meat and dairy, I imagine practically speaking you'd just ban breeding them and within a few years you'd be left with no cattle. You would probably keep some wild herds for land management (their sh!t and trampling hooves are good for the land and they keep the grass short), and you'd need to reintroduce some predators (wolves for example) to help stop the population from escalating. Then at that point mankind stops dicking around and lets nature take care of itself. |  |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 13:56 - Sep 28 with 980 views | leitrimblue |
| Hope everyone is ready on 13:45 - Sep 28 by Herbivore |
There's millions if not billions of cattle being bread for meat and dairy, I imagine practically speaking you'd just ban breeding them and within a few years you'd be left with no cattle. You would probably keep some wild herds for land management (their sh!t and trampling hooves are good for the land and they keep the grass short), and you'd need to reintroduce some predators (wolves for example) to help stop the population from escalating. Then at that point mankind stops dicking around and lets nature take care of itself. |
Thanks, I know it sounds a bit cold, but I wonder if a better system might be the culling of all non native an low land breeds. Leaving us with mountain sheep an more hardy native cows like the Angus that could possibly be left to their own devices (possibly with the reintroduced wolves) on the highlands. It's an interesting enough subject. We have had over 6 thousand years of farming on these islands without barely a thought for the consequences | | | |
| Hope everyone is ready on 13:57 - Sep 28 with 976 views | Herbivore |
| Hope everyone is ready on 13:56 - Sep 28 by leitrimblue |
Thanks, I know it sounds a bit cold, but I wonder if a better system might be the culling of all non native an low land breeds. Leaving us with mountain sheep an more hardy native cows like the Angus that could possibly be left to their own devices (possibly with the reintroduced wolves) on the highlands. It's an interesting enough subject. We have had over 6 thousand years of farming on these islands without barely a thought for the consequences |
Getting back to native breeds in areas where they can live wild would be the way to go. Not sure an immediate cull would be needed, if you banned breeding the imported breeding herds would die out naturally within a few years.
Edit - I don't mean just left to die out, still farmed/managed whilst the farmers transition to crop farming. [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 14:04]
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| Hope everyone is ready on 14:05 - Sep 28 with 954 views | Cotty |
| Hope everyone is ready on 13:57 - Sep 28 by Herbivore |
Getting back to native breeds in areas where they can live wild would be the way to go. Not sure an immediate cull would be needed, if you banned breeding the imported breeding herds would die out naturally within a few years.
Edit - I don't mean just left to die out, still farmed/managed whilst the farmers transition to crop farming. [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 14:04]
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What are we going to fertilise our crops with?
What is a "native breed" of cultivated livestock? Are they capable of living in the wild?
What about the native wildlife that relies on livestock rearing, that have been around for 1000s of years? [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 14:11]
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| Hope everyone is ready on 14:17 - Sep 28 with 928 views | Herbivore |
| Hope everyone is ready on 14:05 - Sep 28 by Cotty |
What are we going to fertilise our crops with?
What is a "native breed" of cultivated livestock? Are they capable of living in the wild?
What about the native wildlife that relies on livestock rearing, that have been around for 1000s of years? [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 14:11]
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I don't know, I've only given this about 3 minutes of thought to be honest. I wasn't aware I was expected to provide full draft proposals for the future of UK farming. I might need a bit more time and a different set of qualifications if we're going beyond throwing ideas around. | |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 14:21 - Sep 28 with 925 views | bluelagos |
| Hope everyone is ready on 14:17 - Sep 28 by Herbivore |
I don't know, I've only given this about 3 minutes of thought to be honest. I wasn't aware I was expected to provide full draft proposals for the future of UK farming. I might need a bit more time and a different set of qualifications if we're going beyond throwing ideas around. |
Need to up yer game a bit there Herbs. | |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 14:22 - Sep 28 with 924 views | Herbivore |
| Hope everyone is ready on 14:21 - Sep 28 by bluelagos |
Need to up yer game a bit there Herbs. |
I've dropped the ball. Give me a couple of years whilst I complete a Masters in agri-science. | |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 14:44 - Sep 28 with 888 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Hope everyone is ready on 14:22 - Sep 28 by Herbivore |
I've dropped the ball. Give me a couple of years whilst I complete a Masters in agri-science. |
Just create a new userid, ooh I don't know, "agrimaster" or something then post something from there using a few buzzwords. Worked for Grant Shapps/Michael Green/Sebastian Fox/Corinne Stockheath.
Bang! Two years saved. |  |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 15:21 - Sep 28 with 869 views | Herbivore |
| Hope everyone is ready on 14:44 - Sep 28 by You_Bloo_Right |
Just create a new userid, ooh I don't know, "agrimaster" or something then post something from there using a few buzzwords. Worked for Grant Shapps/Michael Green/Sebastian Fox/Corinne Stockheath.
Bang! Two years saved. |
I think we need a synergistic approach that draws on the strengths of those in the industry whilst aiming for a blue sky vision of what a clean, green future looks like. As we transition to these new pastures there will be some bumps in the road but I'm confident that with the benefit of technological advances we can regress back to pre-industrial agricultural norms in our food production pipeline.
Edit - sh!t, wrong log in. [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 15:21]
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| Hope everyone is ready on 15:26 - Sep 28 with 856 views | leitrimblue |
| Hope everyone is ready on 14:05 - Sep 28 by Cotty |
What are we going to fertilise our crops with?
What is a "native breed" of cultivated livestock? Are they capable of living in the wild?
What about the native wildlife that relies on livestock rearing, that have been around for 1000s of years? [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 14:11]
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We would still have human, horse, bat etc. Though we may need to all increase our crap output. What is a native breed is an good question. Not sure there were any native breeds of livestock in UK prior to their introduction at the beginning of the Neolithic. ( I know this is the case in Ireland) So what we now consider native i guess are the breeds that were introduced less recently (Angus etc). Which are generally more hardy then the recent breeds introduced from mainland Europe ( jersey, Frisian etc) | | | |
| Hope everyone is ready on 15:36 - Sep 28 with 841 views | Churchman |
| Hope everyone is ready on 15:21 - Sep 28 by Herbivore |
I think we need a synergistic approach that draws on the strengths of those in the industry whilst aiming for a blue sky vision of what a clean, green future looks like. As we transition to these new pastures there will be some bumps in the road but I'm confident that with the benefit of technological advances we can regress back to pre-industrial agricultural norms in our food production pipeline.
Edit - sh!t, wrong log in. [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 15:21]
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We did bullish£t bingo management speak in another thread. I think you are peeling the onion again there and are really not thinking outside the box.
In terms of the pushing the envelope, how about connecting cows’ rear ends to methane generators. Deliverables include power for all, a happy planet and a roast dinner to follow! All that needs to be done is to get in some cheap labour to connect the tube from the cows to the power station. A win-win situation! [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 15:55]
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| Hope everyone is ready on 17:30 - Sep 28 with 798 views | eireblue |
| Hope everyone is ready on 14:05 - Sep 28 by Cotty |
What are we going to fertilise our crops with?
What is a "native breed" of cultivated livestock? Are they capable of living in the wild?
What about the native wildlife that relies on livestock rearing, that have been around for 1000s of years? [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 14:11]
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It may be worth having a read of a Harvard report on UK agriculture and the potential to just grow crops.
It is always worth remembering how much land is used to grow feed to grow animals that also occupy land. | | | |
| Hope everyone is ready on 17:33 - Sep 28 with 791 views | monytowbray |
| Hope everyone is ready on 14:22 - Sep 28 by Herbivore |
I've dropped the ball. Give me a couple of years whilst I complete a Masters in agri-science. |
And of course the old cliche that really it shouldn’t be vegans defending their choices for being educated. | |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 17:35 - Sep 28 with 790 views | EdwardStone |
| Hope everyone is ready on 14:05 - Sep 28 by Cotty |
What are we going to fertilise our crops with?
What is a "native breed" of cultivated livestock? Are they capable of living in the wild?
What about the native wildlife that relies on livestock rearing, that have been around for 1000s of years? [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 14:11]
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For adding nutrients to soil.....
Green manures
Nitrogen fixing plants like Tares, legumes and clovers
Plant after you've harvested the main crop, then plough them in a few months later |  | | |
| Hope everyone is ready on 18:00 - Sep 28 with 765 views | monytowbray |
| Hope everyone is ready on 17:35 - Sep 28 by EdwardStone |
For adding nutrients to soil.....
Green manures
Nitrogen fixing plants like Tares, legumes and clovers
Plant after you've harvested the main crop, then plough them in a few months later |
I am pretty sure plants don’t need poo to grow. I’ve never shat in my garden. | |
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| Hope everyone is ready on 11:25 - Sep 30 with 656 views | Cotty |
| Hope everyone is ready on 17:35 - Sep 28 by EdwardStone |
For adding nutrients to soil.....
Green manures
Nitrogen fixing plants like Tares, legumes and clovers
Plant after you've harvested the main crop, then plough them in a few months later |
Absolutely, but that reduces our output significantly. These are important and difficult questions. Ideological absolutism, though, is probably not the optimal solution. | | | |
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