| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? 11:31 - Sep 27 with 5585 views | OriginalMarkyP |
Statistically speaking, if we were to finish 8th or 9th based on where we are now that would be a pretty good rest of the season performance.
Portsmouth finished 8th on 72pts last season in what was by most accounts a pretty poor league and not as competitive as this year's competition. We were of course 9th on 69pts.
So to match Portsmouth last season we'd need 65 pts from our remaining 38 games...bearing in mind we arguably haven't played any of the league's big hitters yet (Sunderland, Wigan, Wycombe, Portsmouth, Rotherham, Accrington etc).
That's 1.7 pts per game from now on. To get 8th.
1.7 pts per game over an entire season would get you 79 pts which is borderline automatic promotion form as the average 2nd place is 86.7, Peterborough were 2nd with 87 last year.
So applying a little logic and realism, our most likely finish if we have a very good season from Tuesday onwards is 8th. Probably 9th if we dip at all. Where we finished last year.
Is that acceptable for us?
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 14:41 - Sep 27 with 1249 views | leitrimblue |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 11:37 - Sep 27 by JakeITFC |
Obviously isn't acceptable.
Going up via the playoffs is still very much a failure with the squad we have assembled, that is the absolute minimum that we have to achieve. |
Cook out if we only get promoted via play offs Jake? |  | | |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 14:47 - Sep 27 with 1232 views | Keaneish |
The logic and realism is based on 1.7 pts a game in this approach. What's logical or real about it? We're averaging way below that but we have the potential to achieve way above that as we have in our last two games against two of the leagues bigger hitters. [Post edited 27 Sep 2021 14:48]
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 14:53 - Sep 27 with 1217 views | jayessess |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 14:41 - Sep 27 by leitrimblue |
Cook out if we only get promoted via play offs Jake? |
Y'know, hypothetically I think in August there probably was a scenario where Cook was in trouble despite winning the play-offs?
If we'd started well, fallen away, but won the play-off lottery, there would still have been big questions about whether we'd made the most of our resources. The plans is to survive and thrive in a division where we won't have the luxury of playing lots of teams who simply can't sign the same players we can.
That possibility has largely receded now, because we've started so appallingly that we won't be able to finish badly on top of that and still make the play-offs. |  |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 14:58 - Sep 27 with 1205 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 14:29 - Sep 27 by jayessess |
54 points from 38 games is "flying"? |
The OP said 65 from 38 games, so 1.7 pts/game. Were currently averaging 0.875 pts/game. So yeah, compared to what we're doing now it would be flying. We'd have to average better than a win and 2 draws every 3 games, for example. Or consistently win 2 out of 3.
Mathematically feasible of course, just needs a massive change in results. |  |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 15:02 - Sep 27 with 1192 views | Herbivore |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 14:58 - Sep 27 by Swansea_Blue |
The OP said 65 from 38 games, so 1.7 pts/game. Were currently averaging 0.875 pts/game. So yeah, compared to what we're doing now it would be flying. We'd have to average better than a win and 2 draws every 3 games, for example. Or consistently win 2 out of 3.
Mathematically feasible of course, just needs a massive change in results. |
But over a full season it's only play off form and that's what we'd expected as a bare minimum this season. The form required is an upturn for sure because we've started this season poorly, but I wouldn't say it's flying. |  |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 15:03 - Sep 27 with 1192 views | JakeITFC |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 14:41 - Sep 27 by leitrimblue |
Cook out if we only get promoted via play offs Jake? |
I think the manner of how we get there has a bearing on that really - I still think we can have a fairly average season for the resources available to us and come top 6, that would be a different scenario to if we go on an absolute heater from here on in and the top 2 get 100 points each.
I realise it sounds like I'm being a petulant supporter here, but there are genuinely no excuses for Ipswich not to be in the automatic promotion mix for this season. Anything else is a failure. |  | | |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 15:11 - Sep 27 with 1178 views | jayessess |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 14:58 - Sep 27 by Swansea_Blue |
The OP said 65 from 38 games, so 1.7 pts/game. Were currently averaging 0.875 pts/game. So yeah, compared to what we're doing now it would be flying. We'd have to average better than a win and 2 draws every 3 games, for example. Or consistently win 2 out of 3.
Mathematically feasible of course, just needs a massive change in results. |
I was going by "a win and a draw every 3 games" per your post.
In any case, whilst 65 points from 38 games would be an improvement on our first 8 games, for sure, I don't think many watching would consider that kind of form to be "flying", no. I certainly don't think people would be happy about it either during or after.
The idea that is (rightly or wrongly) keeping the show on the road right now is that the first 6 games were an aberration, a period of adjustment where we struggled to work out our flaws. They aren't the new "par", where any improvement will be gratefully received. | |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 15:52 - Sep 27 with 1147 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 13:59 - Sep 27 by chrismakin |
It's OK to disagree |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 16:31 - Sep 27 with 1119 views | textbackup |
I wasn’t happy finishing mid table in the championship - so no, League 1 mid table just won’t cut it |  |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 16:54 - Sep 27 with 1095 views | textbackup |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 15:03 - Sep 27 by JakeITFC |
I think the manner of how we get there has a bearing on that really - I still think we can have a fairly average season for the resources available to us and come top 6, that would be a different scenario to if we go on an absolute heater from here on in and the top 2 get 100 points each.
I realise it sounds like I'm being a petulant supporter here, but there are genuinely no excuses for Ipswich not to be in the automatic promotion mix for this season. Anything else is a failure. |
Finish 3rd by 1 point, finish 6th 12 points off 2nd…
See what you are saying, outcome still the same, but the points/position tell a very different story | |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 19:59 - Sep 27 with 1052 views | BlueOsterClub |
With 114 points still to play for and the team starting to GEL , I think we ca still go up as Champions. I think we will start seeing a team who are hard to beat who score a lot of goals. Also if we can take 6 points of those teams at the top that will make a big difference to where we finish.
I also think failing to get promoted will be a failure with the great squad and players we have. |  | | |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 02:28 - Sep 28 with 1018 views | davblue |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 19:59 - Sep 27 by BlueOsterClub |
With 114 points still to play for and the team starting to GEL , I think we ca still go up as Champions. I think we will start seeing a team who are hard to beat who score a lot of goals. Also if we can take 6 points of those teams at the top that will make a big difference to where we finish.
I also think failing to get promoted will be a failure with the great squad and players we have. |
Those pills aren’t working, seek medical help immediately. |  | | |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 05:59 - Sep 28 with 995 views | IPS_wich |
After 8 games this season, we are 21st, have won one game, have played 5 of the 8 games at home for four draws and a defeat.
After 8 games last season we were 2nd and ended up finishing 9th.
After 8 games the season before we were 1st and ended up finishing 11th.
After 8 games the year before that (in the Championship) we were 24th, had drawn all four home games and lost all four away games. This having bombed out most of the squad in pre-season and replaced 75% of the starting XI.
Regardless of the change of ownership, investment in the team, our history - recent history would suggest we need to be more worried about the bottom end of the table than the top end for now.
If we can be sitting 12th-14th at Christmas then maybe we should reappraise our expectations then; but for now any talk of promotion just seems way off the mark.
As for how would I feel if we finish mid-table - devastated but not surprised. [Post edited 28 Sep 2021 7:17]
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 06:12 - Sep 28 with 994 views | daisyisabaddog |
I'm astonished at this thread. We're in the bottom 4 with most of the top half to be played between now and Christmas yet people are talking about how many points we need to get in the play offs. Get real folks. There is no such thing as a team that's too good to go down. Sleep walking into League 2 is a possibility at the moment. | | | |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 06:49 - Sep 28 with 982 views | Reuser_is_God |
Massive failure. |  |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 09:29 - Sep 28 with 942 views | HARRY10 |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 12:07 - Sep 27 by jayessess |
Again, I don't think you've really understood the kind of resources invested in this team. Relative to the division in we've spent lavishly, we've not done that so the team peaks at just decent top 6 form. |
This resources guff is only what we want to believe as there is NO evidence whatsoever of what has been spent in fees and what the wage bill now is.
And the HUGE flaw in all this baloney is the presumption that as other clubs have not brought in 19 new players, the ones they already had are not up to those we brought in.
No club has a keeper equal to Hladky, players of the quality of Barry, Carroll and Evans - nor the back up of such talent as Holy, Nolan and Jackson.
For my part, I have been rather underwhelmed by our signings in total. Far from the cream of L1/2 and some top quality from the Championship, they have mostly been from Cooks address book, and the past 10 games have shown that.
Unless we finish in the top six, it will matter little (outside of the bottom 4). It is how well we have played through the season, as a bad run with injuries can always hit hard. But if we looked capable of being easily top six then fine, we will strengthen in the summer and go again.
At the moment however, we don't look a top six side, | | | |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 09:43 - Sep 28 with 937 views | DavoIPB |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 11:41 - Sep 27 by ElderGrizzly |
It would be utterly unacceptable both to the majority of fans, but importantly to the owners.
Patience is a word that has many meanings. A squad with the largest budget in the league is not acceptable to be mid-table. |
No Ashton and co said at the beginning of the season that it may not happen this year and it was a process. They said they were looking to the January transfer window to really sort the team out and that this team was new and would take a while to get going. | | | |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 09:47 - Sep 28 with 931 views | chrismakin |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 09:29 - Sep 28 by HARRY10 |
This resources guff is only what we want to believe as there is NO evidence whatsoever of what has been spent in fees and what the wage bill now is.
And the HUGE flaw in all this baloney is the presumption that as other clubs have not brought in 19 new players, the ones they already had are not up to those we brought in.
No club has a keeper equal to Hladky, players of the quality of Barry, Carroll and Evans - nor the back up of such talent as Holy, Nolan and Jackson.
For my part, I have been rather underwhelmed by our signings in total. Far from the cream of L1/2 and some top quality from the Championship, they have mostly been from Cooks address book, and the past 10 games have shown that.
Unless we finish in the top six, it will matter little (outside of the bottom 4). It is how well we have played through the season, as a bad run with injuries can always hit hard. But if we looked capable of being easily top six then fine, we will strengthen in the summer and go again.
At the moment however, we don't look a top six side, |
what on earth are you on about.
What made you think we would get a team of top quality champ players in the league 1, we've done bloody well even to get Chaplin and Morsy.
Which players come from PC address book? Evans, Morsy, Chaplin. Who else?
We've signed the leagues best AM in Fraser, one of the leagues best Goal scoring strikers in Pigott, one of the leagues best wideman in Burns. Burgess was one of the best CB's in the division last season, Coulsen comes in with championship quality experience, Aluko over 200 champ appearences, Celina is celina.
How on earth were you underwelmed, if you really were, then you've shown as per some of your recent posts, you have 0 undertanding of this league. |  |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 10:00 - Sep 28 with 925 views | Churchman |
Mid table would be a massive improvement on where we are, obviously, but it would not be acceptable. No, not in the least. That’s what failure looks like, with the resources at Cook’s disposal.
Personally, not challenging the top two is already a disappointment and play offs is a bare minimum acceptable finish.
It’s a poor league with rubbish teams. The excuses are over as far as I’m concerned. |  | | |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 10:04 - Sep 28 with 925 views | dirtyboy |
People wanted rid of Lambert . Done.
People wanted rid of Evans. Done.
People wanted us to spend competitively in this division. Done.
People wanted a structure back at the club and investment elsewhere too. Done.
You cannot ignore that we've had a massive turnaround in playing staff, much like a few clubs doing infinitely better than us, however, we've also changed a lot far deeper than that too.
The whole book has been ripped up and effectively starting again from scratch.
The start we've had is woeful, but everyone can see the quality of player we have now and most believe we will see that come good, hence the superb attendances so far.
To answer, midtable would be disappointing for everyone, but there's much more to it that that 'this' season.
I think we'll finish on 71 points and miss out on playoffs, but stranger things have happened and we do have a squad capable of going on an incredible run if the wind blows in the right direction, Cook will need to best his win average from here in though.
Whatever happens, we have a good structure in place, we do have good finances and we do have a good squad, but Cook does need to deliver and I still think he will.
He will be given this season though, no doubt about it. |  | | |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 13:11 - Sep 28 with 885 views | jayessess |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 09:29 - Sep 28 by HARRY10 |
This resources guff is only what we want to believe as there is NO evidence whatsoever of what has been spent in fees and what the wage bill now is.
And the HUGE flaw in all this baloney is the presumption that as other clubs have not brought in 19 new players, the ones they already had are not up to those we brought in.
No club has a keeper equal to Hladky, players of the quality of Barry, Carroll and Evans - nor the back up of such talent as Holy, Nolan and Jackson.
For my part, I have been rather underwhelmed by our signings in total. Far from the cream of L1/2 and some top quality from the Championship, they have mostly been from Cooks address book, and the past 10 games have shown that.
Unless we finish in the top six, it will matter little (outside of the bottom 4). It is how well we have played through the season, as a bad run with injuries can always hit hard. But if we looked capable of being easily top six then fine, we will strengthen in the summer and go again.
At the moment however, we don't look a top six side, |
Putting aside subjective opinions about the quality of the players we've signed, for all that I'd personally love to believe that we've acquired all these players on a shoestring it just isn't credible.
The profile of player we've signed just don't come cheap. They might be rubbish, but cheap, no chance. | |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 13:15 - Sep 28 with 878 views | Herbivore |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 10:04 - Sep 28 by dirtyboy |
People wanted rid of Lambert . Done.
People wanted rid of Evans. Done.
People wanted us to spend competitively in this division. Done.
People wanted a structure back at the club and investment elsewhere too. Done.
You cannot ignore that we've had a massive turnaround in playing staff, much like a few clubs doing infinitely better than us, however, we've also changed a lot far deeper than that too.
The whole book has been ripped up and effectively starting again from scratch.
The start we've had is woeful, but everyone can see the quality of player we have now and most believe we will see that come good, hence the superb attendances so far.
To answer, midtable would be disappointing for everyone, but there's much more to it that that 'this' season.
I think we'll finish on 71 points and miss out on playoffs, but stranger things have happened and we do have a squad capable of going on an incredible run if the wind blows in the right direction, Cook will need to best his win average from here in though.
Whatever happens, we have a good structure in place, we do have good finances and we do have a good squad, but Cook does need to deliver and I still think he will.
He will be given this season though, no doubt about it. |
If we finish on 71 points and miss out on the play offs then Cook will be gone and rightly so. | |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 13:32 - Sep 28 with 865 views | Radlett_blue |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 10:04 - Sep 28 by dirtyboy |
People wanted rid of Lambert . Done.
People wanted rid of Evans. Done.
People wanted us to spend competitively in this division. Done.
People wanted a structure back at the club and investment elsewhere too. Done.
You cannot ignore that we've had a massive turnaround in playing staff, much like a few clubs doing infinitely better than us, however, we've also changed a lot far deeper than that too.
The whole book has been ripped up and effectively starting again from scratch.
The start we've had is woeful, but everyone can see the quality of player we have now and most believe we will see that come good, hence the superb attendances so far.
To answer, midtable would be disappointing for everyone, but there's much more to it that that 'this' season.
I think we'll finish on 71 points and miss out on playoffs, but stranger things have happened and we do have a squad capable of going on an incredible run if the wind blows in the right direction, Cook will need to best his win average from here in though.
Whatever happens, we have a good structure in place, we do have good finances and we do have a good squad, but Cook does need to deliver and I still think he will.
He will be given this season though, no doubt about it. |
That's the right way to look at it. Binning Cook now would be suicidal, but the tough question will be what we do at the end of the season, assuming we aren't promoted. Impossible to judge that now. If Cook does eventually get this squad flying, it would be daft to sack him at the end of the season. Still absolutely no evidence that he can get the team performing, mind. |  |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 13:41 - Sep 28 with 857 views | Herbivore |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 13:32 - Sep 28 by Radlett_blue |
That's the right way to look at it. Binning Cook now would be suicidal, but the tough question will be what we do at the end of the season, assuming we aren't promoted. Impossible to judge that now. If Cook does eventually get this squad flying, it would be daft to sack him at the end of the season. Still absolutely no evidence that he can get the team performing, mind. |
I can't see a situation where he gets us flying towards the end of the season and we miss out on the play offs. If that happens we'll have to have been so far adrift of the top 6 after Christmas that he'll already have been sacked. If he gets us well into the top 6 off the back of a good run and we lose out in the play offs through bad luck then there's a case for him to stay on but it'd still be a significant failure. | |
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| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 13:55 - Sep 28 with 848 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| How would people feel about a midtable finish this season? on 10:04 - Sep 28 by dirtyboy |
People wanted rid of Lambert . Done.
People wanted rid of Evans. Done.
People wanted us to spend competitively in this division. Done.
People wanted a structure back at the club and investment elsewhere too. Done.
You cannot ignore that we've had a massive turnaround in playing staff, much like a few clubs doing infinitely better than us, however, we've also changed a lot far deeper than that too.
The whole book has been ripped up and effectively starting again from scratch.
The start we've had is woeful, but everyone can see the quality of player we have now and most believe we will see that come good, hence the superb attendances so far.
To answer, midtable would be disappointing for everyone, but there's much more to it that that 'this' season.
I think we'll finish on 71 points and miss out on playoffs, but stranger things have happened and we do have a squad capable of going on an incredible run if the wind blows in the right direction, Cook will need to best his win average from here in though.
Whatever happens, we have a good structure in place, we do have good finances and we do have a good squad, but Cook does need to deliver and I still think he will.
He will be given this season though, no doubt about it. |
I wouldn't say "no doubt". If our current form were to continue such that we were in the relegation zone after many more games, he would be gone or there would be a significant change to the management structure at least.
I hope we don't get to find out. If we can go on a winning run, the picture will change dramatically reasonably quickly. All teams have a bad spell in a season. If we have got ours out of the way early then great. |  |
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