| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated 22:07 - Jan 4 with 8011 views | ElderGrizzly |
Saying the quiet things out loud again…
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 22:12 - Jan 4 with 3390 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m sure that definitely won’t end in riots and burned out cars. |  | | |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 00:36 - Jan 5 with 3156 views | istanblue |
Macron’s comments are completely beyond the pale. Really vile stuff. In a just world, his election hopes would now be toast. |  | | |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 06:51 - Jan 5 with 3008 views | BlueBadger |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 00:36 - Jan 5 by istanblue |
Macron’s comments are completely beyond the pale. Really vile stuff. In a just world, his election hopes would now be toast. |
What exactly about being rude to the selfish and thick upsets you? |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:22 - Jan 5 with 2822 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 00:36 - Jan 5 by istanblue |
Macron’s comments are completely beyond the pale. Really vile stuff. In a just world, his election hopes would now be toast. |
Would you say they are as vile as going around calling people soyboys?
Perhaps he's finally snapped at those unvaccinated people causing issues for everyone else? Why should his election hopes be toast? I suspect more people agree with him than disagree with him. In that case in a "just world" he would win the next election.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:31 - Jan 5 with 2787 views | m14_blue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:22 - Jan 5 by StokieBlue |
Would you say they are as vile as going around calling people soyboys?
Perhaps he's finally snapped at those unvaccinated people causing issues for everyone else? Why should his election hopes be toast? I suspect more people agree with him than disagree with him. In that case in a "just world" he would win the next election.
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Exactly this.
The very, very noisy cohort of society that are against vaccines have spent so long in their echo chambers that they’ve convinced themselves that they represent the people. They then post footage of tens of thousands of people on marches as evidence.
I suspect the truth is that an absolutely overwhelming majority of the public are totally against them and wouldn’t have much of a problem with what Macron said. | | | |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:35 - Jan 5 with 2765 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:31 - Jan 5 by m14_blue |
Exactly this.
The very, very noisy cohort of society that are against vaccines have spent so long in their echo chambers that they’ve convinced themselves that they represent the people. They then post footage of tens of thousands of people on marches as evidence.
I suspect the truth is that an absolutely overwhelming majority of the public are totally against them and wouldn’t have much of a problem with what Macron said. |
It's all very strange, they use vaccines as though they are all homogeneous but each one is different, made with different ingredients and works in a different way.
It's like saying all primates are the same when clearly it isn't the case.
This argument may be too nuanced though.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:40 - Jan 5 with 2734 views | TooManyCooks |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 06:51 - Jan 5 by BlueBadger |
What exactly about being rude to the selfish and thick upsets you? |
Everybody who is unvaccinated is either selfish, or thick, or both?
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:43 - Jan 5 with 2723 views | TooManyCooks |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:22 - Jan 5 by StokieBlue |
Would you say they are as vile as going around calling people soyboys?
Perhaps he's finally snapped at those unvaccinated people causing issues for everyone else? Why should his election hopes be toast? I suspect more people agree with him than disagree with him. In that case in a "just world" he would win the next election.
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I'm genuinely finding it amusing that the group of so-called "free thinkers" on here have reached the point of dishing out unpleasant condemnations on "the great unvaccinated" who are apparently "causing issues for everybody else".........turns out they're not free thinkers at all. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:47 - Jan 5 with 2681 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:43 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
I'm genuinely finding it amusing that the group of so-called "free thinkers" on here have reached the point of dishing out unpleasant condemnations on "the great unvaccinated" who are apparently "causing issues for everybody else".........turns out they're not free thinkers at all. |
I don't even know what that paragraph is supposed to mean to be honest. What is unpleasant in my post?
Clearly the unvaccinated are causing issues for everyone else, it's undisputable given the numbers in hospitals who are unvaccinated as a percentage and then looking at the numbers unvaccinated in the public as a percentage.
If you look at the evidence then hospitals are being needlessly strained.
Being a "free thinker" would surely mean you take in all the evidence and evaluate it, something you are clearly not doing. Nice of you to have a pop at people though whilst condemning some alleged pop at people.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:48 - Jan 5 with 2666 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:40 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Everybody who is unvaccinated is either selfish, or thick, or both?
Oh dear, oh dear |
A minority have genuine medical grounds for not getting them but I'd say that description captures the rest pretty well. |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:54 - Jan 5 with 2612 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:40 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Everybody who is unvaccinated is either selfish, or thick, or both?
Oh dear, oh dear |
At the height of a pandemic, they are definitely selfish*.
*Medical exemptions excepted. |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:55 - Jan 5 with 2609 views | clive_baker |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:43 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
I'm genuinely finding it amusing that the group of so-called "free thinkers" on here have reached the point of dishing out unpleasant condemnations on "the great unvaccinated" who are apparently "causing issues for everybody else".........turns out they're not free thinkers at all. |
Macron's pissed you off. |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:56 - Jan 5 with 2606 views | TooManyCooks |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:47 - Jan 5 by StokieBlue |
I don't even know what that paragraph is supposed to mean to be honest. What is unpleasant in my post?
Clearly the unvaccinated are causing issues for everyone else, it's undisputable given the numbers in hospitals who are unvaccinated as a percentage and then looking at the numbers unvaccinated in the public as a percentage.
If you look at the evidence then hospitals are being needlessly strained.
Being a "free thinker" would surely mean you take in all the evidence and evaluate it, something you are clearly not doing. Nice of you to have a pop at people though whilst condemning some alleged pop at people.
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If you bothered to look for numbers that are actually representative of the truth, rather than grabbing the most suitable media led BS fed to the sheeple to suit your agenda, then you'd very quickly be able to dispel the nonsense being purported by yourself and several others on here and have a realistic view of what is going on in hospitals and the real numbers of beds taken by the unvaccinated.
The BMJ wouldn't be a bad place to start. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:57 - Jan 5 with 2595 views | footers |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:56 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
If you bothered to look for numbers that are actually representative of the truth, rather than grabbing the most suitable media led BS fed to the sheeple to suit your agenda, then you'd very quickly be able to dispel the nonsense being purported by yourself and several others on here and have a realistic view of what is going on in hospitals and the real numbers of beds taken by the unvaccinated.
The BMJ wouldn't be a bad place to start. |
Please explain the real numbers to us in detail so we can understand.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:01 - Jan 5 with 2552 views | bracknell_blue |
Good for him. I'm with him! |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:01 - Jan 5 with 2552 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:56 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
If you bothered to look for numbers that are actually representative of the truth, rather than grabbing the most suitable media led BS fed to the sheeple to suit your agenda, then you'd very quickly be able to dispel the nonsense being purported by yourself and several others on here and have a realistic view of what is going on in hospitals and the real numbers of beds taken by the unvaccinated.
The BMJ wouldn't be a bad place to start. |
Lolz. U OK hun? xx | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:01 - Jan 5 with 2546 views | TooManyCooks |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:56 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
If you bothered to look for numbers that are actually representative of the truth, rather than grabbing the most suitable media led BS fed to the sheeple to suit your agenda, then you'd very quickly be able to dispel the nonsense being purported by yourself and several others on here and have a realistic view of what is going on in hospitals and the real numbers of beds taken by the unvaccinated.
The BMJ wouldn't be a bad place to start. |
Also, perhaps something that would benefit those quick to demonise the "UNVACCINATED" would do well to very carefully delve into what exactly the description of UNVACCINATED represents in these numbers.......(a quick heads up, mostly they are not unvaccinated people at all) the level of ignorance/laziness by some of you in this thread is just cringeworthy. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:05 - Jan 5 with 2509 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:01 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Also, perhaps something that would benefit those quick to demonise the "UNVACCINATED" would do well to very carefully delve into what exactly the description of UNVACCINATED represents in these numbers.......(a quick heads up, mostly they are not unvaccinated people at all) the level of ignorance/laziness by some of you in this thread is just cringeworthy. |
Time for this again...
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:06 - Jan 5 with 2494 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:01 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Also, perhaps something that would benefit those quick to demonise the "UNVACCINATED" would do well to very carefully delve into what exactly the description of UNVACCINATED represents in these numbers.......(a quick heads up, mostly they are not unvaccinated people at all) the level of ignorance/laziness by some of you in this thread is just cringeworthy. |
At the moment you're just making a number of baseless claims, something you have form for actually. Provide us with some decent evidence to back up your claims so we can give it some consideration. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:13 - Jan 5 with 2468 views | giant_stow |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:01 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Also, perhaps something that would benefit those quick to demonise the "UNVACCINATED" would do well to very carefully delve into what exactly the description of UNVACCINATED represents in these numbers.......(a quick heads up, mostly they are not unvaccinated people at all) the level of ignorance/laziness by some of you in this thread is just cringeworthy. |
Any chance of the longer version of the quick heads up? |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:14 - Jan 5 with 2457 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:56 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
If you bothered to look for numbers that are actually representative of the truth, rather than grabbing the most suitable media led BS fed to the sheeple to suit your agenda, then you'd very quickly be able to dispel the nonsense being purported by yourself and several others on here and have a realistic view of what is going on in hospitals and the real numbers of beds taken by the unvaccinated.
The BMJ wouldn't be a bad place to start. |
The BMJ say that 61% of critical care patients are unvaccinated (almost all of whom have had no vaccine, with a small percentage having received one dose within 14 days of admission). Given that the unvaccinated represent a minority in the adult population, that they make up a majority of critical care patients suggests they are having a disproportionately negative impact on the NHS, does it not?
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5 | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:15 - Jan 5 with 2428 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:56 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
If you bothered to look for numbers that are actually representative of the truth, rather than grabbing the most suitable media led BS fed to the sheeple to suit your agenda, then you'd very quickly be able to dispel the nonsense being purported by yourself and several others on here and have a realistic view of what is going on in hospitals and the real numbers of beds taken by the unvaccinated.
The BMJ wouldn't be a bad place to start. |
"Sheeple" - Check
"Media led BS" - Check
Not really an ideal way for someone to start a conversation which should be based on evidence. Why don't you post us the evidence which shows the "actual representative truth", let's start with the BMJ evidence you are claiming given 18 hours ago they posted this which definitely doesn't support your position:
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5
This is interesting:
"Further analysis by the agency has concluded that unvaccinated adults are as much as eight times more likely to be admitted to hospital than those who have been vaccinated and that booster doses are 88% effective at preventing hospital admission."
Currently the percentage of unvaccinated people in the UK is ~29% although this is a unrealistically high number as it includes children who can't get vaccinated (0 to 12 years) and children who are vaccinated but are unlikely to need hospitalisation (12 to 18 years).
So even if we assume the absolute highest possible number of unvaccinated including all children then there shouldn't really be more than 29% unvaccinated people in ICU if the vaccines aren't effective but we see >65% unvaccinated in ICU. In reality if you look at the % of people eligible for vaccines which is more appropriate then that number of 29% drops to something like 13% and the statistical case is even more solid that the unvaccinated are taking up a disproportionate amount of hospital resources.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:15 - Jan 5 with 2426 views | Churchman |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:56 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
If you bothered to look for numbers that are actually representative of the truth, rather than grabbing the most suitable media led BS fed to the sheeple to suit your agenda, then you'd very quickly be able to dispel the nonsense being purported by yourself and several others on here and have a realistic view of what is going on in hospitals and the real numbers of beds taken by the unvaccinated.
The BMJ wouldn't be a bad place to start. |
Ok, you are clearly far more intelligent and well read than me and I’m struggling to understand the points you are making.
Please could you explain the truth, exactly what is going on in hospitals, the real numbers you refer to, what your sources are (evidence) and how they differ to those out there in the media and shown by Whitty and co yesterday? It would also be helpful for the nonsense being purported by other posters to be listed item by item and for you to dispel them with your evidence.
I await enlightenment. |  | | |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:16 - Jan 5 with 2419 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:14 - Jan 5 by Herbivore |
The BMJ say that 61% of critical care patients are unvaccinated (almost all of whom have had no vaccine, with a small percentage having received one dose within 14 days of admission). Given that the unvaccinated represent a minority in the adult population, that they make up a majority of critical care patients suggests they are having a disproportionately negative impact on the NHS, does it not?
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5 |
Yep. 10% of the population unvaccinated yet they make up over 60% of people taking up critical care beds. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:20 - Jan 5 with 2349 views | bluelagos |
https://paulryburn.medium.com/calling-the-unvaccinated-selfish-or-stupid-is-coun
Looking at some of the comments on here reckon this is worth a read:
"You aren’t going to change those minds by being judgmental, preachy, and downright insulting.
You’ll get a feeling of feeling superior, and if that’s the main thing you’re after, fine, keep on doing what you do." |  |
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