| Energy prices starting to hit 17:33 - Dec 7 with 10332 views | gtsb1966 |
Seeing lots of social media posts with people shocked at how much their gas is costing now that they've had to put their heating on properly. Some people reckon their gas and electric combined was a tenner a day!!!. Checked mine and in a week we used £20 worth of gas. We only use it for heating and hot water and we haven't hardly had the heating on. It'll sting but luckily we can afford it but I feel so sorry for those who can't. This week must've made quite a few people massively stressed. |  | | |  |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 20:03 - Dec 7 with 3364 views | BlueBadger |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 18:39 - Dec 7 by HARRY10 |
Do what I did with British Gas - tell them to fck off, cancel the direct debit and only pay what you owe.
In my case they have made an absolute balls up of my account since I was moved to them in Sept 2921, and since August have not allowed me to access my account saying they are still 'moving me'.
As I have not had a bill for 3 months lord alone knows what it is. Actually do I have worked out what the amount is - units used plus daily charge
But that money is in my account, not there's |
Did everyone standing nearby applaud as well? |  |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 20:33 - Dec 7 with 3330 views | Meadowlark |
My gas and electricity is over a tenner a day already !!
And we're only heating one room most of the time!! |  | | |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 20:36 - Dec 7 with 3322 views | homer_123 |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 19:40 - Dec 7 by mutters |
Yep it's a chunk of change that's for sure. Bulb have offered to refund me or even switch to a pay as you go tariff, but for my own reasons I decided to leave it as it is and draw down on it over the next few months. Completely my call.
What would have been nice would have been Bulb actually updating my forecasted usage which would have given a much more accurate monthly direct debit |
It's not in their interest to do that though, as you can see. |  |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 20:45 - Dec 7 with 3313 views | jeera |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 18:31 - Dec 7 by mutters |
Phone them and discuss.
Bulb have consistently put up my direct debit, and every time I speak to them they agree to put it back to a level I am happy with. They wanted 450 a month, which was based k on the previous owners consumption as I only moved here in Feb. It's now set at 200 per month, but I have over £500 in credit which should cover me for winter.
Bulb were very reasonable and understood though I did go prepared with my forecasted consumption which helped the discussion [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 18:33]
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Bulb kept trying to increase my payments despite my being in credit. They were probably hoping to boost their own balance somewhat with some free borrowing across the board in a last ditch attempt to save the firm.
The way prices have gone through the roof that cushion won't compensate for too long though and I want to increase them so's to not get any nasty surprises further down the line.
I am holding back for now until the transfer to Octopus has concluded.
I've not heard anything since the initial email informing of the impending switch so don't know how far the transfer is regarding customer numbers. I guess we're on a need-to-know basis. |  |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 21:00 - Dec 7 with 3294 views | bazza |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 18:39 - Dec 7 by HARRY10 |
Do what I did with British Gas - tell them to fck off, cancel the direct debit and only pay what you owe.
In my case they have made an absolute balls up of my account since I was moved to them in Sept 2921, and since August have not allowed me to access my account saying they are still 'moving me'.
As I have not had a bill for 3 months lord alone knows what it is. Actually do I have worked out what the amount is - units used plus daily charge
But that money is in my account, not there's |
Can’t you get your boiler to run off old banana skins like your flux capacitor .. |  | | |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 21:00 - Dec 7 with 3293 views | itfcjoe |
I'm paying far more than £10 a day and we barely have it on and all my electric is either at cheap rate or through solar panels
An expensive house to heat, but can't not do it with 2 little ones - fortunate that we can afford it - but just burning through money |  |
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| Its funny how when people first got smart meters.... on 08:07 - Dec 8 with 3124 views | unstableblue |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 18:58 - Dec 7 by jas0999 |
Yep, my gas and electric combined is hitting £10 a day. Luckily off set by the significant over payment in Oct/Nov where it was milder.
People simply can’t afford it. It’s a struggle for most. Worrying times. |
.... they were like 'what's the point?!'
With days costing pence or the odd quid.
Now people are looking at them in a very different way.
But my thought is people still haven't changed thinking or behaviours? with most taking the view that's it's a temporary blip to be ridden out. And then a return to status quo of wanton consumption.
NO
Time to consider energy as a luxury and something that has impact to our environment.
"I don't want to pay this amount and I don't want to have a high carbon footprint, I'm going to insulate, I'm going to change the thermostat, I'm going to turn down radiators in rooms I don't use, or turn radiators off"
We had a great party and gathering for the Senegal game. Local people but also a load from the big local town. Lazily I didn't think about the 3 cars coming down separately from a similar area. At the last minute I WhatsApped the group - with some not knowing each other very well. And with little effort 3 car trips became 1.. and 2 people could get sh!t faced.... thats the future! booze and saving the planet |  |
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| Its funny how when people first got smart meters.... on 09:33 - Dec 8 with 3038 views | chicoazul |
| Its funny how when people first got smart meters.... on 08:07 - Dec 8 by unstableblue |
.... they were like 'what's the point?!'
With days costing pence or the odd quid.
Now people are looking at them in a very different way.
But my thought is people still haven't changed thinking or behaviours? with most taking the view that's it's a temporary blip to be ridden out. And then a return to status quo of wanton consumption.
NO
Time to consider energy as a luxury and something that has impact to our environment.
"I don't want to pay this amount and I don't want to have a high carbon footprint, I'm going to insulate, I'm going to change the thermostat, I'm going to turn down radiators in rooms I don't use, or turn radiators off"
We had a great party and gathering for the Senegal game. Local people but also a load from the big local town. Lazily I didn't think about the 3 cars coming down separately from a similar area. At the last minute I WhatsApped the group - with some not knowing each other very well. And with little effort 3 car trips became 1.. and 2 people could get sh!t faced.... thats the future! booze and saving the planet |
Good luck explaining to for eg disabled people who need warm homes that their energy is a “luxury”. |  |
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| Its funny how when people first got smart meters.... on 09:37 - Dec 8 with 3025 views | J2BLUE |
| Its funny how when people first got smart meters.... on 08:07 - Dec 8 by unstableblue |
.... they were like 'what's the point?!'
With days costing pence or the odd quid.
Now people are looking at them in a very different way.
But my thought is people still haven't changed thinking or behaviours? with most taking the view that's it's a temporary blip to be ridden out. And then a return to status quo of wanton consumption.
NO
Time to consider energy as a luxury and something that has impact to our environment.
"I don't want to pay this amount and I don't want to have a high carbon footprint, I'm going to insulate, I'm going to change the thermostat, I'm going to turn down radiators in rooms I don't use, or turn radiators off"
We had a great party and gathering for the Senegal game. Local people but also a load from the big local town. Lazily I didn't think about the 3 cars coming down separately from a similar area. At the last minute I WhatsApped the group - with some not knowing each other very well. And with little effort 3 car trips became 1.. and 2 people could get sh!t faced.... thats the future! booze and saving the planet |
One thing JRM got right years ago is that we do not want restrictions on energy, we want plenty of green energy so we can go on living as we do without doing damage. |  |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 10:09 - Dec 8 with 2984 views | nodge_blue |
If I have the heating on in the evening only - plus electricity - Im easily £10 a day.
But what about next Winter with higher prices again and no government support?
£15 a day?
The trouble with not having the heating on and wrapping up is that the house starts to feel damp and not dry out properly. |  |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 12:23 - Dec 8 with 2911 views | LeBlue |
I'm at about £12 per day this week (combined).
Heating on for two hours in the morning and 4 in the evening, hot water on for one hour in the morning and 2 in the evening. Thermostat set to 17 degrees.
Some people are sadly really going to struggle over the winter. It's 2022 FFS. |  | | |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 13:06 - Dec 8 with 2872 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Not sure what my day/week cost is but just had the email putting my Direct Debit up from £140 to £260 a month. Bill just came through and 87 in debit so not even like i can argue it too much at the moment. It is horrific and I'm already in a well-paid job so get more money is just not an option. |  |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 13:51 - Dec 8 with 2831 views | jeera |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 10:09 - Dec 8 by nodge_blue |
If I have the heating on in the evening only - plus electricity - Im easily £10 a day.
But what about next Winter with higher prices again and no government support?
£15 a day?
The trouble with not having the heating on and wrapping up is that the house starts to feel damp and not dry out properly. |
This is the problem.
This narrative that's crept in about heating being some luxury is a bit crazy.
I don't expect my home to be exotically warm all the time with me swaggering about in shorts and t-shirt but the home does need to be a healthy temperature for people to live in.
Including the practicalities of keeping the place dry to avoid potentially costly problems down the line.
My place has hideous condensation issues and I go around as a matter of course every morning with a wad of cloth to wipe down the windows and front door.
I rely on a dehumidifier throughout the winter months to keep the place at a healthy level of humidity, plus to dry laundry.
What we perceive to be normal everyday, non-excessive stuff has suddenly become a constant matter of consideration.
What concerns me is there still seems to be a number of people out there who misunderstand the price cap.
I have a neighbour who seems to think she is somehow protected regardless of her energy usage and I am guessing she's not alone. | |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 14:02 - Dec 8 with 2821 views | nodge_blue |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 13:51 - Dec 8 by jeera |
This is the problem.
This narrative that's crept in about heating being some luxury is a bit crazy.
I don't expect my home to be exotically warm all the time with me swaggering about in shorts and t-shirt but the home does need to be a healthy temperature for people to live in.
Including the practicalities of keeping the place dry to avoid potentially costly problems down the line.
My place has hideous condensation issues and I go around as a matter of course every morning with a wad of cloth to wipe down the windows and front door.
I rely on a dehumidifier throughout the winter months to keep the place at a healthy level of humidity, plus to dry laundry.
What we perceive to be normal everyday, non-excessive stuff has suddenly become a constant matter of consideration.
What concerns me is there still seems to be a number of people out there who misunderstand the price cap.
I have a neighbour who seems to think she is somehow protected regardless of her energy usage and I am guessing she's not alone. |
I know. I said to someone recently its like going to the petrol station and the price is fixed at 1.70 a litre. It doesn't mean you won't run ups a huge bill if you keep fuelling up.
And totally agree regarding the house. Its so easy to get too much damp in an under ventilated room and then mould is growing. Houses need ventilation which is hard when its cold and / or heat.
I honestly despair atm. We just seem to lurch from one crisis to the next. The 20's are feeling a horrible decade. Hopefully next year things will calm down a bit. | |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 14:34 - Dec 8 with 2793 views | RobTheMonk |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 21:00 - Dec 7 by itfcjoe |
I'm paying far more than £10 a day and we barely have it on and all my electric is either at cheap rate or through solar panels
An expensive house to heat, but can't not do it with 2 little ones - fortunate that we can afford it - but just burning through money |
We've gone from paying around £60 a month a year back to £200 last month and what will be more this month. We have to use the washing machine and tumble drier loads at the moment (8 month twins), so our energy has increased, but fudge me.
Like yourself, we can afford it, but no more trips to the pub/restaurant/deli for lunch at the weekend. Businesses are going to go tits up because people are heating their families rather than spending money on luxuries.
I genuinely think we're coming dangerously close to serious civil unrest and it's just waiting for a perhaps unrelated catalyst (like the Mark Duggan shooting that led to the London riots) to kick things off. [Post edited 8 Dec 2022 14:36]
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 14:41 - Dec 8 with 2781 views | FrimleyBlue |
Currently heating up a 5 bed which has started to show a weekly spend of £120.
Crazy. |  |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 14:44 - Dec 8 with 2777 views | HARRY10 |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 19:44 - Dec 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You are H. G. Wells and I claim my fiver. |
"As I have not had a bill for 3 months lord alone knows what it is. Actually do I have worked out what the amount is - units used plus daily charge "
poor rightie
I shall let you in on this cunning hack *
I read the meter on the first of the month - then I read it again on the last day of the month. I then calculate the units used at the unit price, then add 30/31 days of daily charge
Which gives me the total cost for the month
And ingenious and cunning method to work out what the bill will be for that month
* I will post this on the internet as a hack (whatever that is) and have the newspapers headline my trick as
Amazing meter hack baffles righties  |  | | |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 15:28 - Dec 8 with 2716 views | LeBlue |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 14:44 - Dec 8 by HARRY10 |
"As I have not had a bill for 3 months lord alone knows what it is. Actually do I have worked out what the amount is - units used plus daily charge "
poor rightie
I shall let you in on this cunning hack *
I read the meter on the first of the month - then I read it again on the last day of the month. I then calculate the units used at the unit price, then add 30/31 days of daily charge
Which gives me the total cost for the month
And ingenious and cunning method to work out what the bill will be for that month
* I will post this on the internet as a hack (whatever that is) and have the newspapers headline my trick as
Amazing meter hack baffles righties |
Yeah, but you are still a time traveller. | | | |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 16:46 - Dec 8 with 2666 views | HARRY10 |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 15:28 - Dec 8 by LeBlue |
Yeah, but you are still a time traveller. |
I'll accept that, given what I am often referred to on here  | | | |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 16:52 - Dec 8 with 2641 views | TractorJack |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 12:23 - Dec 8 by LeBlue |
I'm at about £12 per day this week (combined).
Heating on for two hours in the morning and 4 in the evening, hot water on for one hour in the morning and 2 in the evening. Thermostat set to 17 degrees.
Some people are sadly really going to struggle over the winter. It's 2022 FFS. |
That's more or less the same as me. How can it be this expensive for what I would consider the bare minimum? I'm constantly getting moaned at for the house being too cold still. |  | | |
| Enrgy prices starting to hit on 18:11 - Dec 8 with 2583 views | HARRY10 |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 16:52 - Dec 8 by TractorJack |
That's more or less the same as me. How can it be this expensive for what I would consider the bare minimum? I'm constantly getting moaned at for the house being too cold still. |
Given that only 41% of UK's energy comes from gas, there is every thought that there is much profiteering going on. And once again the consumer is paying for costly rightie privatisation (see Water, Rail), as
"Bulb Energy, forecast to cost taxpayers as much as £6.5bn, according to the UK Office for Budget Responsibility."
With consumers seeing the costs of that failure being covered by the hugely increased daily charges. Whereas
Shell "In the first nine months of the year it reported earnings of more than $30bn, leaving it on course to smash its annual profit record of $31bn set in 2008. Last year it made $19.3bn."
Which cannot be clawed back................ as that would (supposedly) stop them investing. Not sure since when handing out dividends and bonuses to executives is investing.
As with water where the imperative of a private company is to maximise returns, by reducing spending so we see higher prices - and raw sewage pumped into rivers. Much as with the trains
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/08/train-reliability-dips-sharply-
UK voters are well aware of how bad the US Health (un)care system is compared to the rest of the Western world, as it is based on generating profits rather than dealing with the sick. Insurance salesmen rather than nurses.
For society to function it needs the basics to work well. This is why no, no other country has a privatised water system. Only now, when the sh.it has hit the fan (or the river) has the reality hit home. For too long certain sections of our society have muttered stuff about master knowing best and have been dumb enough to be distracted into thinking naughty foreigners and brown faced folk are the cause of their woes.
That ignorance is now costing...........all of us., dearly. | | | |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 18:13 - Dec 8 with 2582 views | HARRY10 |
I wonder what payouts the red wallers and Brexiters will be getting here
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/08/trafigura-posts-17bn-net-profit-fu
"Separately on Thursday, US oil supermajor ExxonMobil — which has seen its shares rise nearly 70% this year — said it plans to spend $50bn buying back its own shares until the end of 2024, including £15bn in 2022, in a further indication of the huge cashflows in the industry."6+9 | | | |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 18:26 - Dec 8 with 2570 views | chicoazul |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 17:42 - Dec 7 by chicoazul |
We have the heating on for 4 hours a day now and we don’t get above £8 a day so far on our smart meter.
Here’s what I don’t understand. We pay £X per month and have built £Y amount of credit which is larger than X by a magnitude of nearly x2. Even if we went to £10 a day (which we won’t) the difference between what we pay now and 300 a month would be more than offset by the amount of credit we have built up. So why do my supplier keep threatening to put my direct debit up? |
Friends thank you all for your informed and interesting comments.
Scottish Power have just decided to put my bill *down* by £17 next month. This is all very strange. I feel many TWTDers are right and this is about hoarding overspends on direct debit forecasts, investing the interest, and bumping the share price. | |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 22:22 - Dec 8 with 2467 views | textbackup |
£21.30 ours is on now.
Wife has a home hair salon, so heating on a fair bit, boiler kicking in for multiple hair washes…
She’s put her prices up recently, so should cover it, hopefully.
(And as the gas and electric is the only bill she covers for the house I can’t say I’m too sad for her) |  |
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| Energy prices starting to hit on 22:59 - Dec 8 with 2418 views | SpruceMoose |
| Energy prices starting to hit on 18:26 - Dec 8 by chicoazul |
Friends thank you all for your informed and interesting comments.
Scottish Power have just decided to put my bill *down* by £17 next month. This is all very strange. I feel many TWTDers are right and this is about hoarding overspends on direct debit forecasts, investing the interest, and bumping the share price. |
Probably due to all the wind power in your house! |  |
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