| Burns 13:36 - Feb 22 with 4218 views | tractorboy1978 |
This season so far - 7 goals, 8 assists
Last season - 13 goals, 6 assists
He's probably going to end the season with similar or more goal/assist contributions, yet feels like he hasn't been the same player this season. You can see why he's a first name on the team sheet though, even at less than full capacity he's still our 3rd most effective player in an attacking sense.
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| Burns on 13:40 - Feb 22 with 3771 views | bournemouthblue |
I think teams are more aware of him, they also tend to sit deeper which reduces the threat
When we play on the counter and invite team onto us, he's more effective. I think that's generally why we are a bit more effective away from home. |  |
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| Burns on 13:40 - Feb 22 with 3775 views | homer_123 |
| Burns on 13:40 - Feb 22 by bournemouthblue |
I think teams are more aware of him, they also tend to sit deeper which reduces the threat
When we play on the counter and invite team onto us, he's more effective. I think that's generally why we are a bit more effective away from home. |
You've only got watch how quickly teams often get two on him, one to press and one to cover. [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 13:41]
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| Burns on 13:41 - Feb 22 with 3763 views | clive_baker |
I think there's a couple of factors at play from my observations. Not least being that we carry a lot more threat down our left hand side and therefore less reliance on Burns. He's probably (and I haven't seen the stats) had less share of the ball this year compared to last, which is a good thing. There's also an element of opposition teams understanding his threat a little more, which was an inevitable evolution. There's been times he's been doubled up on and his ability to beat a fullback made that much harder. I'm also convinced we're managing an injury carefully, I can't remember the last time we got 90 minutes out of him. KM likes to make attacking changes, but it's curious that Burns is always one of them.
One thing I won't accept is that he's not having a good and productive season, as I've seen suggested. Compared to last years standards possibly, but by any other he's still a huge threat and has made some big contributions. If we had a playoff final tomorrow and he wasn't available, it would be a massive loss IMO. [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 13:43]
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| Burns on 13:42 - Feb 22 with 3749 views | Vaughan8 |
I don't watch every game, probably about 5 or 6 this season but Burns always seems to do at least OK. However you come on here and people are saying how bad he was?
Another thread people are saying TJJ is better than most of our other forward options, whereas I think he's a bit lightweight and not that great.
It's all about opinions. I don't think is Burns seems as good as last season, but he's not as bad as some make out. Those stats seem to show that! | | | |
| Burns on 13:49 - Feb 22 with 3615 views | SaleAway |
| Burns on 13:42 - Feb 22 by Vaughan8 |
I don't watch every game, probably about 5 or 6 this season but Burns always seems to do at least OK. However you come on here and people are saying how bad he was?
Another thread people are saying TJJ is better than most of our other forward options, whereas I think he's a bit lightweight and not that great.
It's all about opinions. I don't think is Burns seems as good as last season, but he's not as bad as some make out. Those stats seem to show that! |
I don't think Burns has had a bad season, but last season he carried us a bit, and this season there is a lot more shared threat, so he doesn't stand out as much. As others have said, he's marked more heavily now, but still scoring and making goals.
TJJ is I think one of those that is getting better the more he doesn't play! Had some decent moments, but I don't think for one moment he is going to be a season changer when he's back. Hoping he adds a different threat, but not expecting too much. | |
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| Burns on 13:50 - Feb 22 with 3604 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Burns on 13:41 - Feb 22 by clive_baker |
I think there's a couple of factors at play from my observations. Not least being that we carry a lot more threat down our left hand side and therefore less reliance on Burns. He's probably (and I haven't seen the stats) had less share of the ball this year compared to last, which is a good thing. There's also an element of opposition teams understanding his threat a little more, which was an inevitable evolution. There's been times he's been doubled up on and his ability to beat a fullback made that much harder. I'm also convinced we're managing an injury carefully, I can't remember the last time we got 90 minutes out of him. KM likes to make attacking changes, but it's curious that Burns is always one of them.
One thing I won't accept is that he's not having a good and productive season, as I've seen suggested. Compared to last years standards possibly, but by any other he's still a huge threat and has made some big contributions. If we had a playoff final tomorrow and he wasn't available, it would be a massive loss IMO. [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 13:43]
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We are certainly less reliant on him, which as you say is a good thing. There were spells last season where if he didn't do anything we weren't going to score!
He can frustrate at times with his final ball but his numbers reflect overall he's one of our biggest threats. And other teams are scared of him which benefits the whole team and Davis in particular on the other side. It's nice to have a genuine threat down both flanks. | | | |
| Burns on 13:59 - Feb 22 with 3533 views | monty_radio |
i think that his combining with JD. was a good contributing factor. J.D. has been less effective going forward this year, and recently replaced by a Clarke who, despite obvious emerging and potential threat, has not till last week linked so seamlessly with Burns. | |
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| Burns on 14:07 - Feb 22 with 3482 views | BigCommon |
Think last season he was exceptional, and it was always going to be tough to replicate.. But as you say, he's not far off tracking the same result. And looks like he'll get close to double figures for goals and assists this season....
Haven't seen the stats, but I bet our corner count is much higher . He's won us a lot of corners where hes been doubled up on and tried to get balls in...We've scored a few from corners this season. So he's probably, indirectly, had a big hand in some of those, too. |  | | |
| Burns on 14:14 - Feb 22 with 3445 views | jayessess |
I wonder if there's a bit of a false memory syndrome about his general play last season?
As is the way with wingers last season he had good games where he had his full back on toast, consistently found team mates and hit the mark with all his shots and bad games spent spooning crosses into the stands when he wasn't in the opposition full back's pocket.
But he was the main attacking threat in a team that didn't have that many and he was finishing at a very high level. Players have seasons where everything they hit goes in but it isn't usually sustainable. It was never very likely that a winger was going to keep scoring once in every five shots.
Take that away and we've got a player operating a pretty similar level to last season. He's down a bit on shots per game (1.4 per 90 to 1.6 last year), dribbles (0.8 to 1.2 last year), shot conversion (12% to 20.3%), but better on chances created (1.3 to 1.0), fouls won (1.2 to 0.8), crosses completed (1.1 to 0.4) and keeping the ball (dispossessed 0.9 times/90 this season, 1.5 last). [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 14:28]
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| Burns on 14:19 - Feb 22 with 3421 views | SomethingBlue |
Suspect he's been managing an injury and, in any case, overall this season has been perfectly good from him. It's weird, but true, that from the very start of the season some people simply decided he was going to have a poor one and ran with it ever since. | |
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| Burns on 14:23 - Feb 22 with 3393 views | OsborneOneNil |
His stats are still decent, but, he definitely isn't quite 'on it', of late. Seems more reluctant on taking it past his man, using that wonderful pace of his.
He's done ok. |  | | |
| Burns on 14:53 - Feb 22 with 3281 views | Garv |
| Burns on 14:14 - Feb 22 by jayessess |
I wonder if there's a bit of a false memory syndrome about his general play last season?
As is the way with wingers last season he had good games where he had his full back on toast, consistently found team mates and hit the mark with all his shots and bad games spent spooning crosses into the stands when he wasn't in the opposition full back's pocket.
But he was the main attacking threat in a team that didn't have that many and he was finishing at a very high level. Players have seasons where everything they hit goes in but it isn't usually sustainable. It was never very likely that a winger was going to keep scoring once in every five shots.
Take that away and we've got a player operating a pretty similar level to last season. He's down a bit on shots per game (1.4 per 90 to 1.6 last year), dribbles (0.8 to 1.2 last year), shot conversion (12% to 20.3%), but better on chances created (1.3 to 1.0), fouls won (1.2 to 0.8), crosses completed (1.1 to 0.4) and keeping the ball (dispossessed 0.9 times/90 this season, 1.5 last). [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 14:28]
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It's definitely a myth that he's having a much poorer season compared to last. |  |
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| Burns on 14:53 - Feb 22 with 3282 views | homer_123 |
| Burns on 14:23 - Feb 22 by OsborneOneNil |
His stats are still decent, but, he definitely isn't quite 'on it', of late. Seems more reluctant on taking it past his man, using that wonderful pace of his.
He's done ok. |
In part though - because teams, as I posted below, often have a second man to cover that attempted run.
Burns uses his pace to typically beat a player as opposed to trickery - the issue he faces with a covering defender is once he knocks the ball and goes, he's immediately face with a second defender and no space to then run into. | |
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| Burns on 16:19 - Feb 22 with 3013 views | Rocky |
Burns is always at his best when he runs on to a pass and keeps going at speed. When the ball is played to him in a standing position he invariably hesitates, tries to beat the full back through trickery and quite often ends up losing it. |  | | |
| Burns on 16:24 - Feb 22 with 2991 views | itfcjoe |
League only
Last year he was 12G + 6A in 33.2 matches - 0.54 goal contributions per 90
This year he is 6G + 6A in 25.4 matches - 0.47 goal contributions per 90
So he's basically the equivalent of 3 goal contribtuions down over a 46 game season - buggar all in real terms.
Of all the regulars, Chaplin and Ladapo are outgunning him (plus those who haven't played a lot like Broadhead) whereas last year he was the regular with the most (beaten by Norwood and Jackson who didn't play much) |  |
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| Burns on 17:14 - Feb 22 with 2832 views | bb1997 |
Davis naturally accumulates more chances from a stat perspective from being on set pieces (twice as many when Evans is out). Would be interested to see a open play chances p90 comparison considering Davis does more defending but does get in great attacking positions down the left an awful lot! | | | |
| Burns on 17:30 - Feb 22 with 2726 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Burns on 16:24 - Feb 22 by itfcjoe |
League only
Last year he was 12G + 6A in 33.2 matches - 0.54 goal contributions per 90
This year he is 6G + 6A in 25.4 matches - 0.47 goal contributions per 90
So he's basically the equivalent of 3 goal contribtuions down over a 46 game season - buggar all in real terms.
Of all the regulars, Chaplin and Ladapo are outgunning him (plus those who haven't played a lot like Broadhead) whereas last year he was the regular with the most (beaten by Norwood and Jackson who didn't play much) |
Whilst true
2 league goals since October.
Just 2 In the run which took us from 1st to 3rd.
And when he's not scoring. He's wasting opportunities as shown in the last 2 games. Smashing with his laces rather than calmly slotting home or setting up a team mate in a goal scoring position. |  |
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| Burns on 17:31 - Feb 22 with 2733 views | PioneerBlue |
There are things that don’t tally with Burns. I completely accept the stats view and they are pretty decent but in context of LD the chances created don’t stand up that well. I am also accepting right hand side might be more heavily marked allowing LD to get up the pitch and deliver those stats but he is also more a dead ball man too.
I looked at my player match ratings; I’m far from saying my view is right but I do have Burns marked down in the list on overall player performances, he averages low 6 whereas LD is high 6.8. It’s clear to me that the Burns role has changed, it’s not the only outlet this year which is why he’s not probably not getting the higher ratings, it is allowing others to perform and we are scoring goals from other means.
This is an opportunity, if Burns can create, score or find ways to raise his game a little over the remaining games that could have a big impact on overall team performances. [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 6:46]
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| Burns on 17:54 - Feb 22 with 2629 views | jayessess |
| Burns on 17:30 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst true
2 league goals since October.
Just 2 In the run which took us from 1st to 3rd.
And when he's not scoring. He's wasting opportunities as shown in the last 2 games. Smashing with his laces rather than calmly slotting home or setting up a team mate in a goal scoring position. |
It's probably just his finishing regressing to the mean, isn't it? | |
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| Burns on 18:10 - Feb 22 with 2558 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Burns on 17:54 - Feb 22 by jayessess |
It's probably just his finishing regressing to the mean, isn't it? |
Yep. Derby goal aside. Most of his shots/goals are smacked in off his laces. Hence wack a ball tag I've given him. Looks good when it goes in of course. | |
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| Burns on 19:10 - Feb 22 with 2442 views | Swansea_Blue |
He had a blinder last season, but those figures are a reminder that he’s far from bad this year despite people singling him out. How are Harness’ stats by comparison? |  |
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| Burns on 22:42 - Feb 22 with 2203 views | jayessess |
| Burns on 19:10 - Feb 22 by Swansea_Blue |
He had a blinder last season, but those figures are a reminder that he’s far from bad this year despite people singling him out. How are Harness’ stats by comparison? |
In all comps, he's 7 goals, 2 assists or 0.40 goals/assists per 90. | |
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| Burns on 18:08 - Feb 23 with 1669 views | Stewart27 |
Another decent return for Wes so far. | | | |
| Burns on 19:07 - Feb 23 with 1626 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Burns on 22:42 - Feb 22 by jayessess |
In all comps, he's 7 goals, 2 assists or 0.40 goals/assists per 90. |
He’s got more assists than that - 6 to 9 depending which source you look at. He’s joint third top goal scorer and second for assists. So whilst not threatening the whole league table, he’s still chipping in and contributing more than most for us. | |
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