| Worried? 08:35 - Jul 4 with 14021 views | EssexBlueITFC |
Anyone worried about the lack of signings? Many championship clubs making moves for players where we seem to be quiet compared to others.
Trust in Ashton and McKenna to get it right but we do seem to be slow considering pre season is now underway and Ashton was very keen back end of last season to do early business.
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| Worried? on 09:32 - Jul 4 with 2358 views | RegencyBlue |
Not worried but surprised we haven’t got more deals over the line by now.
Having said that I would hope we bring in a couple more in the next week or so, before the Austria trip. Much longer than that and our search for a striker, or two, in particular begins to look like last summers fruitless pursuit of Hirst. |  | | |
| Worried? on 09:39 - Jul 4 with 2288 views | yorkshireblue |
| Worried? on 09:21 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
As per my Leeds post, Sheffield Wednesday played their last game 3 weeks after us so were always going to return later |
Very true. But my point is that with some clubs only just going back and assessing their squads we are a way away from worrying we've not strenghtern stage. |  | | |
| Worried? on 09:41 - Jul 4 with 2275 views | Facefacts |
No.
Not worried, but it depends on what the club's ambition for this season is, given the financial constraints and rules. If we ever get back to the Premier League, it needs to be like Brentford, not a yo yo club - and the foundations for that should already have started - it's a huge ask. What creates the speculation is not knowing what the club's ambition for the coming season is - are we looking to make the play offs, I don't think it's even possible, we'd have to look as good as we did last season, taking a few knocks along the way, and we are just not going to walk over the Championship with our squad.
If we arguably need two strikers and two central defenders - possibly three of these will have to be loans, so, to be negotiated later in the window.
If you look at it within the rules of FFP - I don't know the latest, but we are allowed to lose £39M over three seasons? Even with 30,000 watching us at PR every other week, we have to work within budgets, and I hope they've been very carefully worked out. Splashing the cash now would be a worry - was that the situation (FFP, expensive players not working out) that caused the rift between Mark Ashton and Bristol City?
We can't go out early in the window and buy a striker who is definitely good enough - they're just not out there in our price range.
Quality central defenders are nearly as expensive, and our current ones are ok, but targeted one v ones, targeted physical challenges, strikers cheating ever more authentically, poor refs will all hurt us. |  | | |
| Worried? on 09:43 - Jul 4 with 2268 views | Guthrum |
| Worried? on 09:20 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
Don't think can really compare with Leeds, their last PL game was 3 weeks after us so on a different schedule - same as Leicester who went back yesterday |
Tho that doesn't negate the fact we're a week ahead of them on our pre-season schedule. The penalty of getting relegated from the Prem or having to go through the play-offs (not to mention that we could begin planning with certainty right at the start of May).
Some of those teams are going to be handicapped by only recently - or not yet - installed managers, too. |  |
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| Worried? on 09:49 - Jul 4 with 2239 views | Churchman |
No.
We have had signing after signing in the last two years. I’d rather we steadily evolved the team now than stumble into a panic buys, even if that means a loan and a new year signing.
There is nearly two months of the window left. Plenty of time. |  | | |
| Worried? on 10:03 - Jul 4 with 2143 views | JohnTy |
No.
We signed Leif Davis, one of our best signings in the past two decades, on 25th July last year.
Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds haven't yet got a manager, a number of clubs have financial problems, and Plymouth have lost about 10 players.
Despite what some Bristol City fans might think we haven't got David Brent in charge. |  | | |
| Worried? on 10:11 - Jul 4 with 2099 views | Vic |
Not really. Like Joe says, I'm sure the club would have liked to get a couple more deals done by now, but they've also said that some deals cannot be done early due the how prem clubs sort out their squads.
One I am surprised about is Hirst. Given the personal success he enjoyed here and being part of a promotion winning team I honestly thought that this would be an easy deal to do. I suspect we won't get him now.
Do I trust the management to get it right in the end? Well yes and no! They didn't get things as they wanted last summer and I'd be disappointed if the same thing happened this time round.
All that said, I'm confident that the squad we have is more than good enough to hold it;s own in the champ. I doubt it can challenge the top 6 but I'd be surprised if it struggled. |  |
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| Worried? on 10:18 - Jul 4 with 2064 views | itfcsuth |
No because I wasn't expecting a massive amount of deals this summer. I'm perhaps a little surprised with the lack of outgoings, which maybe impacting our ability to make incomings.
Would like to see 1 or 2 in this week before we head to Austria, but I have trust in the management team to bring in the right player at the right deal, and sometimes that can take some time. |  | | |
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| Worried? on 10:22 - Jul 4 with 2026 views | CityBlue |
Remember that he built a team last season that would be competitive in the Championship. Consequently we humped Rotherham and ran Burnley to a replay whilst attracting praise from Kompany.
Not securing Hirst is obviously a worry but was to be expected whilst Vardy still waits on confirming he wish to stay, EPL teams all start returning over next five days so should have a response soon from Leicester. If that ends up being a no go then it would seem the team have singled out oprions.
Sims is going to be a no go right now as it looks like the valuation is based upon being an offset on any move to get the Swansea or Coventry striker at a reduced price in a part ex. |  |
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| Worried? on 10:23 - Jul 4 with 2010 views | billlm |
| Worried? on 09:06 - Jul 4 by homer_123 |
Yes, very - at the point of cancelling my season ticket. |
I admire you,
You are only thinking about it,
I have cancelled, |  | | |
| Worried? on 10:27 - Jul 4 with 1969 views | glasso |
| Worried? on 09:41 - Jul 4 by Facefacts |
No.
Not worried, but it depends on what the club's ambition for this season is, given the financial constraints and rules. If we ever get back to the Premier League, it needs to be like Brentford, not a yo yo club - and the foundations for that should already have started - it's a huge ask. What creates the speculation is not knowing what the club's ambition for the coming season is - are we looking to make the play offs, I don't think it's even possible, we'd have to look as good as we did last season, taking a few knocks along the way, and we are just not going to walk over the Championship with our squad.
If we arguably need two strikers and two central defenders - possibly three of these will have to be loans, so, to be negotiated later in the window.
If you look at it within the rules of FFP - I don't know the latest, but we are allowed to lose £39M over three seasons? Even with 30,000 watching us at PR every other week, we have to work within budgets, and I hope they've been very carefully worked out. Splashing the cash now would be a worry - was that the situation (FFP, expensive players not working out) that caused the rift between Mark Ashton and Bristol City?
We can't go out early in the window and buy a striker who is definitely good enough - they're just not out there in our price range.
Quality central defenders are nearly as expensive, and our current ones are ok, but targeted one v ones, targeted physical challenges, strikers cheating ever more authentically, poor refs will all hurt us. |
How much do we lose nowadays? Does anyone know?
£39m loss is pretty big for a club that's just been in L1 (if you have £39m to lose, of course, which in theory we do thanks to the Americans)
If the rest of the squad stays together and we just need a striker and CB, there's plenty of wiggle room there. | | | |
| Worried? on 10:29 - Jul 4 with 1960 views | Guthrum |
| Worried? on 10:18 - Jul 4 by itfcsuth |
No because I wasn't expecting a massive amount of deals this summer. I'm perhaps a little surprised with the lack of outgoings, which maybe impacting our ability to make incomings.
Would like to see 1 or 2 in this week before we head to Austria, but I have trust in the management team to bring in the right player at the right deal, and sometimes that can take some time. |
However, the players most likely to attract outside attention are the best ones, those we are most wanting to keep.
It's always a difficulty seeking to offload second-string squad members. They haven't been playing so much to provoke interest. May need to drop down a level or more - with probably reduced wages - which the player would not be overly keen on. Fees are not going to be so high, mutual termination may be needed to get the "deal" done. Downward loans may take disproportionate negotiating and still result in wage costs. | |
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| Worried? on 10:34 - Jul 4 with 1929 views | Bobsthename |
I’m hoping we have more targets rather than wasting time on the ones that just ain’t going to come like Simms over priced for starters,Sometimes you waste too much time haggling over the deal all the other available players are taken under your nose and you end up panic buying i hope this is not the case although we had a good side last season this season the opposition is going to be harder but i’m hoping Ashton can deal with the pitfalls in the transfer market along with mckenna. | | | |
| Worried? on 10:37 - Jul 4 with 1924 views | NthQldITFC |
How?
Did someone print it out for you and send it round by t'pigeon? |  |
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| Worried? on 10:39 - Jul 4 with 1927 views | itfcjoe |
Remember, this is what McKenna said at the weekend:
“We want plenty of depth. It's about adding different qualities.
“We feel that we can still improve the squad and that's what we're trying to do. We're looking at a few different positions across the pitch."
So for talk of squad being ready to compete, he doesn't see it that way |  |
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| Worried? on 10:40 - Jul 4 with 1909 views | dirtyboy |
There's nothing to worry about.
We have a squad that can compete at this level, just to what extent we will find out.
We're lacking some depth, I've again got no worries with Ladapo, we know he can score goals at this level, dare we say he's improved too? Perhaps not ideal relying on him, so we do need someone else, but for now, no panic needed.
I think we'll pick up an experienced older CB, someone like Cathcart wouldn't surprise me and would be a good addition.
Midfield has enough quality for me, perhaps a player like Burns with some slightly different attributes would work well, but who knows what's being planned.
Completely happy with an evolution on last year, just two or three players brought in to improve positions or offer a different skillset. |  | | |
| Worried? on 10:41 - Jul 4 with 1901 views | jaykay |
you would have been a nervous wreck in the robson years  |  |
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| Worried? on 10:43 - Jul 4 with 1888 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Worried? on 10:39 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
Remember, this is what McKenna said at the weekend:
“We want plenty of depth. It's about adding different qualities.
“We feel that we can still improve the squad and that's what we're trying to do. We're looking at a few different positions across the pitch."
So for talk of squad being ready to compete, he doesn't see it that way |
I'm surprised everyone doesn't see it that way ?
There certainly is no need to panic, but also people saying our current squad is able to compete and some suggesting this squad can already compete in the top half?! We need a few high quality additions to be a team that can flirt with the play offs. We currently have an incredibly inexperienced defence, one striker and a few wingers currently unproven at this level. |  |
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| Worried? on 10:47 - Jul 4 with 1841 views | FrimleyBlue |
Not worried but surprised. |  |
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| Worried? on 10:51 - Jul 4 with 1817 views | Guthrum |
| Worried? on 10:39 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
Remember, this is what McKenna said at the weekend:
“We want plenty of depth. It's about adding different qualities.
“We feel that we can still improve the squad and that's what we're trying to do. We're looking at a few different positions across the pitch."
So for talk of squad being ready to compete, he doesn't see it that way |
Indeed. I have heard close watchers of ITFC suggest that even some established members of the squad may not cut it at Championship level. And what would be the point of not improving if we can (so long as it didn't disrupt squad cohesion)? | |
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| Worried? on 10:57 - Jul 4 with 1771 views | BiGDonnie |
| Worried? on 10:43 - Jul 4 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I'm surprised everyone doesn't see it that way ?
There certainly is no need to panic, but also people saying our current squad is able to compete and some suggesting this squad can already compete in the top half?! We need a few high quality additions to be a team that can flirt with the play offs. We currently have an incredibly inexperienced defence, one striker and a few wingers currently unproven at this level. |
I think this squad can compete. Remember our second string slapped Rotherham and help their own against Burnley last season.
Our defence is not inexperienced at this level for their ages - Fridge, Walton, Davis & Clarke have all played in the Championship.
The way we were playing second half of last season was of championship quality. These players won't suddenly become worse over the summer. Plus there is a lot to be said for a bit of togetherness and understanding of each others qualities.
There will be new additions, hopefully soon, however if we have to wait until the end of pre season/start of the season, it won't be the end of the world. [Post edited 4 Jul 2023 11:05]
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| Worried? on 11:01 - Jul 4 with 1731 views | textbackup |
Not worried, but Id like to think we won’t need to play catch up in the Jan transfer window to make up for the lack of movement now.
We have a bloody good squad, one that I think sees us finish mid table in the champ… that said a new striker is a must |  |
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| Worried? on 11:04 - Jul 4 with 1713 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Worried? on 10:57 - Jul 4 by BiGDonnie |
I think this squad can compete. Remember our second string slapped Rotherham and help their own against Burnley last season.
Our defence is not inexperienced at this level for their ages - Fridge, Walton, Davis & Clarke have all played in the Championship.
The way we were playing second half of last season was of championship quality. These players won't suddenly become worse over the summer. Plus there is a lot to be said for a bit of togetherness and understanding of each others qualities.
There will be new additions, hopefully soon, however if we have to wait until the end of pre season/start of the season, it won't be the end of the world. [Post edited 4 Jul 2023 11:05]
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I have no doubt that this squad has player in it that can be good championship players and I also have no doubt that with some quality additions we can compete.
However, I fail to take two cup games against a Burnley squad that was also rotated as a marker that we can flirt with the top 6. The Rotherham game is more telling even if Barlaser and Ogbene were benched for that game. I currently have us at a 16th-12th sort of team. Which is decent but still plenty of work to do with this squad to take another step up. | |
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| Worried? on 11:04 - Jul 4 with 1713 views | lizzibee |
I'm sure there is loads going on behind the scenes. IMO they would not have allowed Gas to go on loan if they weren't confident of a striker coming in soon. I'm sure an annocement is imminent. | | | |
| Worried? on 11:05 - Jul 4 with 1707 views | ipswichtillidie |
Worried no. I’m sure there will be another bod or two in before Austria. I’d suspect that the deals for the better players are harder to get over the line and the delay to me suggests we are working on players from Prem clubs or recent prem clubs because they are always a bit behind us. |  |
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