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I get she's a Daily Heil right-wing shill, but apart from this being a classic from their playbook it does raise a really interesting question about using child poverty as political currency doesn't it?
Having seen kids who go hungry regularly, it seems a bit odd to do the whole "these barges are too luxurious/not punishing enough" routine whilst highlighting one of the biggest sources of shame caused by the government's approach.
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 15:57 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
So? what's your point? We are talking about the standard of the accomodation. It was good enough for oil workers, yet not good enough for illegal migrants?
the clue is, it was not 'good enough' for double the occupation
even a dimwitted rightie should (I say should) be able to grasp that fact
you are allowed to think for yourself young cap doffer, though whether you can is a another matter
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Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:08 - Aug 9 with 1990 views
They weren't scared.... on 15:43 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
When I first moved to Ipswich as a penniless graduate to start work for BT in 1999, i had to live in the YMCA on Norwich Rd for a few months til I got enough money together to afford a deposit for a proper place to live.
Let me tell you, I would much rather stay on that barge than Ipswich YMCA!
...in Amsterdam.
Quite comfortable, if a little cramped.
Like a floating Travelodge really.
"....get on, get on, get on, my groovy train” - Peter Joseph Hooton (Aug 1990)
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I've stayed on the Botel.... on 16:22 - Aug 9 with 1946 views
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 15:57 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
So? what's your point? We are talking about the standard of the accomodation. It was good enough for oil workers, yet not good enough for illegal migrants?
Choice. Time. And, of course privacy. The barge has been fitted with bunk beds.
Which to my mind means, it didn’t have bunk beds, when oil workers were using it.
Yes, be nice if the Tories could have got off their arses, process claims more quickly, and then be in a position to provide accommodation for the people that are refugees as they transition to become part of a civilised society.
Still, the Tories seem to impress you, so there’s that.
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Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:26 - Aug 9 with 1924 views
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 15:57 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
So? what's your point? We are talking about the standard of the accomodation. It was good enough for oil workers, yet not good enough for illegal migrants?
Are we not talking about 4.2 million Brits living in food poverty while some migrants dare to eat cornflakes?
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Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:27 - Aug 9 with 1926 views
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:24 - Aug 9 by eireblue
Choice. Time. And, of course privacy. The barge has been fitted with bunk beds.
Which to my mind means, it didn’t have bunk beds, when oil workers were using it.
Yes, be nice if the Tories could have got off their arses, process claims more quickly, and then be in a position to provide accommodation for the people that are refugees as they transition to become part of a civilised society.
Still, the Tories seem to impress you, so there’s that.
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So where is this accomodation coming from to house successful asylum seekers? Bear in mind, there are currenly about 10k families in temporary accomodation in London alone. Nationally its more like 100k. Regardless of the politics of it, our social housing system is overburdened already.
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:08 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
No that's not what I am saying, but I think you know that.
The point I am making is barges like this one existed to house people for a long time, why no protests about people living in them before?
Well, there's the pretty obvious difference that in this case people are indefinitely interned there rather than voluntary contractors on a fixed timetable.
We could add in the relative over-crowding (227 to 500 is quite a leap). The terraced house I live in is quite pleasant accommodation for up to 4, but it'd be pretty horrible if 9 of us lived here.
You might also speculate that being the fortunate full citizen of the relatively wealthy country the barge is in, with all the stability and security that confers, just makes most things feel safer and less prison hulk-ish than if you're basically destitute, stateless, potentially traumatised by war or dictatorship or human trafficking etc. Oil workers in general are in a pretty decent position to collectively defend their own interests, in a way that asylum seekers aren't.
In general, it'd be good if the designers of these schemes could make up their mind whether they're supposed to be punishing or not. As with Rwanda, one day it seems to be that sticking people there is a vital part of deterring people from coming to England, so logically the idea is that it's an unpleasant place to be, next day we're being told that actually it's a wonderful opportunity, if anything too generous on Britain's part. Very confusing!
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:27 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
So where is this accomodation coming from to house successful asylum seekers? Bear in mind, there are currenly about 10k families in temporary accomodation in London alone. Nationally its more like 100k. Regardless of the politics of it, our social housing system is overburdened already.
I think you have pointed out another failure, and diversionary tactic that has been used by this Tory government.
The U.K. has been happy to let people in from Hong Kong.
I can’t recall the discussion along the lines of, sorry people of Hong Kong, we will not open up the U.K. to you, since we can’t fit you in. People of Ukraine, ditto.
It is quite impressive how this Tory government can create a problem, then use that problem as a wedge/culture issue.
I wonder how many unoccupied properties and second houses are available in the U.K.
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Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:40 - Aug 9 with 1892 views
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:27 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
So where is this accomodation coming from to house successful asylum seekers? Bear in mind, there are currenly about 10k families in temporary accomodation in London alone. Nationally its more like 100k. Regardless of the politics of it, our social housing system is overburdened already.
That should be the real strory. But you want to make the refugees the problem. Britain is hugely wealthy an nobody should be homeless. So why are 10s of thousands just that?
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:27 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
So where is this accomodation coming from to house successful asylum seekers? Bear in mind, there are currenly about 10k families in temporary accomodation in London alone. Nationally its more like 100k. Regardless of the politics of it, our social housing system is overburdened already.
The only connection between these two issues is that they're both groups of people that conservatives couldn't care less about.
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:27 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
So where is this accomodation coming from to house successful asylum seekers? Bear in mind, there are currenly about 10k families in temporary accomodation in London alone. Nationally its more like 100k. Regardless of the politics of it, our social housing system is overburdened already.
If the only the Tories who been in government since 2010 had been able to do something about the net loss of 135,000+ social homes since *checks notes* 2010.
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 15:36 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
i did read though that the barge was previously used for accomodation for oil workers not some prison barge that some sections of the media/virtue signallers are making it out to be.
I presume there was mass protests to prevent poor oil workers being housed on it?
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:29 - Aug 9 by jayessess
Well, there's the pretty obvious difference that in this case people are indefinitely interned there rather than voluntary contractors on a fixed timetable.
We could add in the relative over-crowding (227 to 500 is quite a leap). The terraced house I live in is quite pleasant accommodation for up to 4, but it'd be pretty horrible if 9 of us lived here.
You might also speculate that being the fortunate full citizen of the relatively wealthy country the barge is in, with all the stability and security that confers, just makes most things feel safer and less prison hulk-ish than if you're basically destitute, stateless, potentially traumatised by war or dictatorship or human trafficking etc. Oil workers in general are in a pretty decent position to collectively defend their own interests, in a way that asylum seekers aren't.
In general, it'd be good if the designers of these schemes could make up their mind whether they're supposed to be punishing or not. As with Rwanda, one day it seems to be that sticking people there is a vital part of deterring people from coming to England, so logically the idea is that it's an unpleasant place to be, next day we're being told that actually it's a wonderful opportunity, if anything too generous on Britain's part. Very confusing!
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You can bet your arse that one or more tory donors are earning from this barge too.
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:38 - Aug 9 by eireblue
I think you have pointed out another failure, and diversionary tactic that has been used by this Tory government.
The U.K. has been happy to let people in from Hong Kong.
I can’t recall the discussion along the lines of, sorry people of Hong Kong, we will not open up the U.K. to you, since we can’t fit you in. People of Ukraine, ditto.
It is quite impressive how this Tory government can create a problem, then use that problem as a wedge/culture issue.
I wonder how many unoccupied properties and second houses are available in the U.K.
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Didnt we do a scheme to house Ukrainian refugees? IE. people volunteered to put up Ukrainians in spare rooms etc. I think there was a good uptake on it. How about a similar scheme to house illegal migrants? How many would take up that baton I wonder?
I imagine the response would be something like this:
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 16:40 - Aug 9 by noggin
That should be the real strory. But you want to make the refugees the problem. Britain is hugely wealthy an nobody should be homeless. So why are 10s of thousands just that?
Well that problem is rooted in the 1970s/80s when Margaret Thatcher enabled people to buy their social housing at knock-down rates with no plan to replace housing stocks.
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 17:10 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
Didnt we do a scheme to house Ukrainian refugees? IE. people volunteered to put up Ukrainians in spare rooms etc. I think there was a good uptake on it. How about a similar scheme to house illegal migrants? How many would take up that baton I wonder?
I imagine the response would be something like this:
Oh, yes I think some of us recall your posting about that scheme at the time.
So can you show me the official U.K. government scheme on how to house vulnerable people from Afghanistan that are fleeing the Taliban. You remember the Taliban, the people we were trying defeat in a war.
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Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 17:21 - Aug 9 with 1763 views
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 17:10 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
Didnt we do a scheme to house Ukrainian refugees? IE. people volunteered to put up Ukrainians in spare rooms etc. I think there was a good uptake on it. How about a similar scheme to house illegal migrants? How many would take up that baton I wonder?
I imagine the response would be something like this:
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 17:10 - Aug 9 by blueasfook
Didnt we do a scheme to house Ukrainian refugees? IE. people volunteered to put up Ukrainians in spare rooms etc. I think there was a good uptake on it. How about a similar scheme to house illegal migrants? How many would take up that baton I wonder?
I imagine the response would be something like this:
Migrant Breakfast Benefits on 17:21 - Aug 9 by eireblue
Oh, yes I think some of us recall your posting about that scheme at the time.
So can you show me the official U.K. government scheme on how to house vulnerable people from Afghanistan that are fleeing the Taliban. You remember the Taliban, the people we were trying defeat in a war.
But those people are brown. Of course there's no legal route for them. RooL bRiTanIA.
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