| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? 12:01 - Oct 24 with 10315 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
For promotion? I still think Leeds United will be a force, and part of me feels Southampton will really get their act together at some point and also be challenging. Leicester City should win the league in my view. Sunderland are up there again, so I think they will make the top 5.
As for the others in the mix currently I am not sure Birmingham will do any better with Rooney at the helm and I don't know if Preston will maintain themselves going forward, I think they may be a bit like Reading last season where they started strong if I recall and ended up dropping. Bristol City could also make the Playoffs.
I would say Leicester and Leeds are the two that are going up for me. As for our position, I thought we would stay up this season, but I didn't expect this position or us to be in the mix. Although it is maybe not that exciting or ambitious, if we finished in the top 10 I would have no complaints. As for promotion, it would be a big ask at the first time of trying but not impossible, even if we dropped down into the Playoff spaces, given our resilience and work rate these days we would be very hard to beat.
As for the others I am surprised Middlesborough aren't doing better, along with Watford and West Brom. Norwich, on paper, should be doing better than they are also.
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:29 - Oct 24 with 2552 views | SmithersJones |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 14:40 - Oct 24 by BigCommon |
Leicester should fly straight with their quality and depth....
I'd expect to see Leeds, Boro', Southampton and Sunderland in the mix up for 2nd to 6th..
I think we can make the play offs with our current squad, dependent on injuries.
But feel that we might need to add 1 or 2 in January, to cover International call ups/injuries, if we are to stay in touch with auto's..
Last seasons end of season form, last 15 games or so, gives me hope that we are well equipped. mentally and preparation wise to sustain some kind of form, throughout the season. Can see us pushing until the last ball us kicked. Which bodes well for an exciting end of season..Imo. |
Your point about the January window got me thinking. It seems to me that, whatever happens between now and the start of January it'll be worth giving it a go in the January window. Best case we're in a similar position to now and we need to buy to consolidate. Worst case we've fallen adrift of the play offs, but unlikely to be out of contention, so we need to buy to recover. |  | | |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:34 - Oct 24 with 2541 views | tractordownsouth |
Leicester, Leeds and Sunderland look the strongest and they'll be the teams we'll need to compete with if we're to stay where we are. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:37 - Oct 24 with 2538 views | MK1 |
Think.
1- Leicester
2- Leeds
Play-offs
Ipswich, Southampton, Sunderland and Middlesbrough.
Leicester ands Leeds squads are far to good for this league.
Our start means we will be there or thereabout. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:43 - Oct 24 with 2506 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:12 - Oct 24 by wkj |
KM will be attractive to the bigger clubs. His appeal goes beyond results and it is clear that wherever we finish, he'll be on many club's wishlist, perhaps even top 6 EPL. |
It's a result business even more so by clubs higher up.
No one expect us to have the start we have. However if we become the first club to not get promoted after the start we've had, it will to town fans be swept under the carpet and rightfully so... however I don't see clubs feeling the same way if they have eyes on him currently. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:52 - Oct 24 with 2485 views | wkj |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:43 - Oct 24 by FrimleyBlue |
It's a result business even more so by clubs higher up.
No one expect us to have the start we have. However if we become the first club to not get promoted after the start we've had, it will to town fans be swept under the carpet and rightfully so... however I don't see clubs feeling the same way if they have eyes on him currently. |
If you look at Man U and Chelsea's appointments - it has more been about name value when hiring people. Come what may, KM's next club will almost certainly be in the premier league regardless of where we finish. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:57 - Oct 24 with 2472 views | Trequartista |
Agree with a lot of that. Leicester and Leeds look favourites for automatic and would expect Southampton and Sunderland in the play-offs. Middlesbrough's results have improved considerably recently.
Disagree on being happy with top 10. Now we've started with W9 D1 L1, I think its fair to say that its more than just momentum with a record like that. I think we should be looking to make the play-offs at least now from here. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:59 - Oct 24 with 2464 views | MK1 |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:52 - Oct 24 by wkj |
If you look at Man U and Chelsea's appointments - it has more been about name value when hiring people. Come what may, KM's next club will almost certainly be in the premier league regardless of where we finish. |
His next job will be Prem, without a doubt. Top 6 might be a stretch, but West Ham, Everton and alike. | |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 18:15 - Oct 24 with 2432 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
To answer the OP, Town are doing very well. Leicester are doing even better. Leeds will be happy enough to be averaging around 2 points per game and expect that to be enough over the course of a season. The next 16 clubs will have ambitions of getting to the Premier League and be disappointed with where they are. At least one of them will end the season in a relegation battle.
Ultimately, if we keep doing what we are doing, it won't matter what anyone else does. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 18:17 - Oct 24 with 2427 views | tractordownsouth |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:43 - Oct 24 by FrimleyBlue |
It's a result business even more so by clubs higher up.
No one expect us to have the start we have. However if we become the first club to not get promoted after the start we've had, it will to town fans be swept under the carpet and rightfully so... however I don't see clubs feeling the same way if they have eyes on him currently. |
Disagree. Graham Potter got the Brighton job off the back of a mid-table finish with Swansea because he was a good fit for the style of play they wanted.
Regardless of the start we've had, if we narrowly miss out on promotion, or even just miss the top six, I think Premier League chairmen will have seen enough to approach McKenna. | |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 18:22 - Oct 24 with 2414 views | Churchman |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 16:49 - Oct 24 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think anyone's going to disagree that Leeds and Southampton are the main ones for us to watch out for. Leeds are starting to look a little ominous if we don't maintain our current form, which it might be asking too much to do given it's so extraordinary.
I think at the beginning of the season no one would have quibbled with 10th but given the start, I think anything outside the play-offs would now look like failure, even if it would be a decent enough showing first season back in the Championship. |
I don’t view quite the way you do in your second paragraph. Before the season, nobody had any idea how we’d go. Some thought it was a mighty leap to compete, others less so but we really didn’t know. My suspicion was we would be ok because of the way the team had been assembled and the manner in which we destroyed teams in the last 15 games. My pre season priorities in order were:
1. Avoid relegation - base level achievement
2. Finish the season comfortably with no threat - a satisfactory place to build on
3. Mid table or above - really good season, see 2
4. Challenge for the play offs - excellent season, a great place to build on
5. Make the play offs - fantastic achievement, see 4
6. Auto promotion - dreamland
These targets still hold for me. As long as we are progressing on and off the field, I’m happy. I hope KM is a little more ambitious than me! I’m over the moon with how we’ve started and the way in which we have done it. No luck, just a brilliant effort by all.
If it tails away or we, as is likely, hit a bad patch so be it. Against what to me seemed realistic objectives, it looks like we are going to be more than alright.
I agree with the obvious contenders. I thought Sunderland would be strong and the may still be but there seems to be some unrest there. Coventry will come strong and the rest of the suspects are as everyone has named.
Ourselves? We are in a really good position to make the play offs, but there’s such a long way to go. Who knows, we may even get stronger. It’s all good. |  | | |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 19:06 - Oct 24 with 2364 views | Guthrum |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 18:22 - Oct 24 by Churchman |
I don’t view quite the way you do in your second paragraph. Before the season, nobody had any idea how we’d go. Some thought it was a mighty leap to compete, others less so but we really didn’t know. My suspicion was we would be ok because of the way the team had been assembled and the manner in which we destroyed teams in the last 15 games. My pre season priorities in order were:
1. Avoid relegation - base level achievement
2. Finish the season comfortably with no threat - a satisfactory place to build on
3. Mid table or above - really good season, see 2
4. Challenge for the play offs - excellent season, a great place to build on
5. Make the play offs - fantastic achievement, see 4
6. Auto promotion - dreamland
These targets still hold for me. As long as we are progressing on and off the field, I’m happy. I hope KM is a little more ambitious than me! I’m over the moon with how we’ve started and the way in which we have done it. No luck, just a brilliant effort by all.
If it tails away or we, as is likely, hit a bad patch so be it. Against what to me seemed realistic objectives, it looks like we are going to be more than alright.
I agree with the obvious contenders. I thought Sunderland would be strong and the may still be but there seems to be some unrest there. Coventry will come strong and the rest of the suspects are as everyone has named.
Ourselves? We are in a really good position to make the play offs, but there’s such a long way to go. Who knows, we may even get stronger. It’s all good. |
I've adjusted my pre-season targets, in the light of how things have gone so far. Before the first game, I really had no idea how we'd do, except I suspected the gap between divisions was less than some (particularly fans of Champ clubs) maintained.
With the start we've had, I now consider it would be pretty disappointing if Town didn't at least end up in the play-offs. Something needs have to gone significantly wrong for us to start performing so badly in comparison with teams ten or more points behind. As pointed out below, even relegation form should get us very close - and I can't see where such a dramatic decline is coming from (barring extraordinary circumstances, like ManU pinching McKenna and the new Coach being an imbecile).
Getting promoted by either method would be outstanding success (tho obviously better to do it automatically).
I'd take failure in the play-offs, but it would be rather unsatisfying. Like having a seagull grab your last morsel of a delicious cake. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 22:45 - Oct 24 with 2290 views | TheBoyBlue |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 15:11 - Oct 24 by tractorboy1978 |
I am not sure what more we would have to do to convince you we are the real deal? We've won 22 of our last 26 games. Yes 15 of those were in L1, but we were blowing teams away. We've been playing high end Championship football for a sustained period of time. With the buffer we have, I think it is highly improbable we drop off to the extent we are not genuine promotion candidates, we are just too well coached and score too many goals. I only see us getting better as a team as the season goes on.
I've seen a few people mention Boro. We are 11 points clear of them with a game in hand. We are 8 clear of Southampton with a game in hand. We are not going to be easy to overtake from our current position. [Post edited 24 Oct 2023 15:31]
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It just feels a bit unreal I suppose. If I was commenting on another team in the same position I wouldn't doubt we'd do it and I don't doubt we're the real deal. I just can't bring myself to believe just yet.
It's more my problem than Town's! | |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 22:47 - Oct 24 with 2278 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 22:45 - Oct 24 by TheBoyBlue |
It just feels a bit unreal I suppose. If I was commenting on another team in the same position I wouldn't doubt we'd do it and I don't doubt we're the real deal. I just can't bring myself to believe just yet.
It's more my problem than Town's! |
I don't know when it's OK to begin to believe we are 'that good'
Every game I think ok this might be that loss and maybe a loss run coming. But we just win. Win again. Draw. Win lose win....
Do we believe now..
Do we wait until new year
It's really hard not to get over confident but likewise really hard not to expect the bubble to burst at some point.. | |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 22:57 - Oct 24 with 2258 views | TheBoyBlue |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 22:47 - Oct 24 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't know when it's OK to begin to believe we are 'that good'
Every game I think ok this might be that loss and maybe a loss run coming. But we just win. Win again. Draw. Win lose win....
Do we believe now..
Do we wait until new year
It's really hard not to get over confident but likewise really hard not to expect the bubble to burst at some point.. |
Pretty much how I feel. But in a sense I'm enjoying it more because I'm expecting it to fall apart. I'm going into every game fairly relaxed because if we lose it isn't the end of the world as I've kept my expectations in check. Whereas last season I knew that if we missed out on promotion it would've been a big blow, so I felt on edge going into each game. For now I'm just loving the football, the atmosphere, everything! | |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 00:29 - Oct 25 with 2211 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 18:22 - Oct 24 by Churchman |
I don’t view quite the way you do in your second paragraph. Before the season, nobody had any idea how we’d go. Some thought it was a mighty leap to compete, others less so but we really didn’t know. My suspicion was we would be ok because of the way the team had been assembled and the manner in which we destroyed teams in the last 15 games. My pre season priorities in order were:
1. Avoid relegation - base level achievement
2. Finish the season comfortably with no threat - a satisfactory place to build on
3. Mid table or above - really good season, see 2
4. Challenge for the play offs - excellent season, a great place to build on
5. Make the play offs - fantastic achievement, see 4
6. Auto promotion - dreamland
These targets still hold for me. As long as we are progressing on and off the field, I’m happy. I hope KM is a little more ambitious than me! I’m over the moon with how we’ve started and the way in which we have done it. No luck, just a brilliant effort by all.
If it tails away or we, as is likely, hit a bad patch so be it. Against what to me seemed realistic objectives, it looks like we are going to be more than alright.
I agree with the obvious contenders. I thought Sunderland would be strong and the may still be but there seems to be some unrest there. Coventry will come strong and the rest of the suspects are as everyone has named.
Ourselves? We are in a really good position to make the play offs, but there’s such a long way to go. Who knows, we may even get stronger. It’s all good. |
That’s not how things work in the real world, when you continue to build on success, you adjust expectations accordingly. If a company has a fantastic quarter why do you think they update their annualized profit target/expectations and thus share prices will rise?
We’d need relegation form to finish mid table and lower mid table form to finish outside of the playoffs.
Our stock is up for a reason, it isn’t the end of August. As of now, anything outside a top 6 finish would be disappointing. [Post edited 25 Oct 2023 0:33]
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 01:11 - Oct 25 with 2198 views | Kropotkin123 |
I think it is a bit disingenuous of you to say "if we finished in the top 10 I would have no complaints", when you are one of the few people to consistently complain whilst we have been in second.
Leeds look good at the moment. I had us finishing 4th at the start of the season, and I can't see us finishing outside of the top 3 unless something disastrous happens, after our start. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 05:29 - Oct 25 with 2151 views | IPS_wich |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 16:36 - Oct 24 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
What despite the relentless bullying I still continue to post football subjects? Imagine in any walk of life, 9 or 10 people constantly jumping on you for anything you say, accusing you of being something you are not just for fun, jumping on every spelling mistake or error, accusing me of using race to get attention. How would you feel if you were treated like I have been? Honest question. I feel quite depressed about it. |
Honest advice - if it's depressing you - then maybe step away from the forum a bit.
It's fair to say there is a bit of a group think about you as a poster - mainly because a large number of your posts go against conventional wisdom. It's not unreasonable for the board en masse to conclude that you're either a pessimist, a contrarian, a budgie, a wind-up merchant or a div (or maybe all of the above).
I've made some ill-advised and dumb posts in the past - and I've been on here under various usernames since 1997 - in fact most of us have made some posts we'd rather forget...but in a very short space of time you've stood out as one of the most 'controversial' posters.
So if you are a budgie or on the wind-up, well done, mission accomplished - and wooosh to me.
But, if you genuinely believe most of what you're posting, then as I say, you probably want to step away for a bit for your own health - because clearly your ideas/points of view widely differ from the majority and I can't see the come back from the board slowing down. | | | |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 06:00 - Oct 25 with 2144 views | wkj |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 22:47 - Oct 24 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't know when it's OK to begin to believe we are 'that good'
Every game I think ok this might be that loss and maybe a loss run coming. But we just win. Win again. Draw. Win lose win....
Do we believe now..
Do we wait until new year
It's really hard not to get over confident but likewise really hard not to expect the bubble to burst at some point.. |
Simple, believe all the time. It really wont impact the results either way. As a fan the belief is valid until it is mathematically impossible | |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 06:52 - Oct 25 with 2129 views | Chondzoresk |
Town will go up. Automatically. Some see Leeds as a major contender. But we have 6 points on them with a game in hand. I can’t see us losing too many.
I have faith. I am very positive. Much more so than the start when I had us in the play offs.
Let everyone else worry about us. As a side note, I think we will beat Leicester at home too. They are good, but beatable. |  | | |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 07:42 - Oct 25 with 2098 views | Churchman |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 00:29 - Oct 25 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s not how things work in the real world, when you continue to build on success, you adjust expectations accordingly. If a company has a fantastic quarter why do you think they update their annualized profit target/expectations and thus share prices will rise?
We’d need relegation form to finish mid table and lower mid table form to finish outside of the playoffs.
Our stock is up for a reason, it isn’t the end of August. As of now, anything outside a top 6 finish would be disappointing. [Post edited 25 Oct 2023 0:33]
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I think it depends on what part of the real world one is talking about.
I’ve worked in the world you describe and you are of course 100% correct. I also worked a lot of my career in project and program world where you essentially set out what you are going to do and do it. And if you bring it in on time, in budget, it achieves its objectives (apols - this is a very crude picture) hurrah! Success! Everyone is happy, you learn lessons and go onto the next one.
I guess what I was trying to say badly in the previous post was that we shouldn’t lose sight of where we started, what we set out to do and what we have achieved against that.
So far, we’ve gone beyond my wildest expectations. But if we fall back a bit, I’ll live with that as long as we are learning and as a club growing. The cliche words ‘continuous improvement’ and ‘big picture’ are often used but for me they are the key.
But to completely contradict myself I’d be absolutely gutted if we went into relegation form for the rest of the season, not that I think it’ll happen. [Post edited 25 Oct 2023 7:46]
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 07:50 - Oct 25 with 2084 views | Vic |
Got to admit that I’ll be disappointed if we don’t make the PO’s after the start we’ve had. I’m not expecting top 2 - Foxes and dirty Leeds are my faves. But I’ll be happy to be in the hunt come March time. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 08:03 - Oct 25 with 2067 views | BigCommon |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:29 - Oct 24 by SmithersJones |
Your point about the January window got me thinking. It seems to me that, whatever happens between now and the start of January it'll be worth giving it a go in the January window. Best case we're in a similar position to now and we need to buy to consolidate. Worst case we've fallen adrift of the play offs, but unlikely to be out of contention, so we need to buy to recover. |
We've still got players like Taylor and Tuanzebe to fully integrate into the first 11. So we do have a little in reserve. And its nice to see our back up players all performing well in the Cup games... There's every chance that Morsy will miss the cut for Egypt, too, in January...
Our recruitment still remains a slight mystery, for me..
Are we totally hamstrung by FFP? Or have we left something for January?.. It's probably unrealistic to think we'll have another January window like last season..
We are already seeing some sides in the division, having to juggle their squads a bit, down to injuries... Strength in squad depth will dictate the top 2, imo. In which case the relegated Prem' sides will have the edge.. Personally think that Burns injury is a blow. And players like Leif, Chaplin and Morsy would be difficult to replicate if any of them were to get injured.. All 3 put a lot into last season, And this season, too, so far.. Lets hope they can go the distance, to the same standards... I'm confident, but still wary of what can happen, re injuries/fatigue.. But I guess that applies to most squads in the division.. |  | | |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 08:06 - Oct 25 with 2059 views | Herbivore |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 17:29 - Oct 24 by SmithersJones |
Your point about the January window got me thinking. It seems to me that, whatever happens between now and the start of January it'll be worth giving it a go in the January window. Best case we're in a similar position to now and we need to buy to consolidate. Worst case we've fallen adrift of the play offs, but unlikely to be out of contention, so we need to buy to recover. |
There is a close to zero chance we will have fallen adrift of the play offs come January. The teams in 6th and 7th are currently on 20 points from 13 and have 12 games to go until January. If they continue picking up points at a similar rate they'll be on 38 or 39 points come January. We would have to pick up fewer than 10 points from our next 14 games in order to be roughly level with those sides, to have fallen adrift we'd have to lose almost every one of our next 14 games. I just don't see that being at all likely. Even a run of bang average midtable form would see us pick up 18 or 19 points which would see us still in top 2 contention on 46 or 47 points from 25 games. If we could maintain 2 points per game, which would still represent a dip such has been the quality of our start, we're looking at 56 points come January and almost certainly still top 2 with a huge gap to 7th. |  |
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| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 08:31 - Oct 25 with 2020 views | Wickets |
Not sure why some have downvoted this , honest opinion that i more or less agree with and 4 down votes really . |  | | |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 08:42 - Oct 25 with 2004 views | NthQldITFC |
| What is everyone feeling about the Championship contenders at the moment? on 16:36 - Oct 24 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
What despite the relentless bullying I still continue to post football subjects? Imagine in any walk of life, 9 or 10 people constantly jumping on you for anything you say, accusing you of being something you are not just for fun, jumping on every spelling mistake or error, accusing me of using race to get attention. How would you feel if you were treated like I have been? Honest question. I feel quite depressed about it. |
I always try to keep my mind open, so on the possibility that I've read you wrong I'll apologise unconditionally, but I'll also put you on my ignore list and endeavour to log in before reading the forum. |  |
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