| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. 11:03 - Jan 18 with 11580 views | Kieran_Knows |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:22 - Jan 18 with 2356 views | Vic |
Odd.
But McKenna has earned enough credit in the bank to be trusted. He will have his reasons - which i guess will become clear with time. |  |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:23 - Jan 18 with 2337 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:19 - Jan 18 by _clive_baker_ |
Well it shouldn't be. There's always a place for a balance between youth and experience. Burnley won this division last season thanks in a large part to the contributions of players like Barnes, Rodriguez, Cork etc. Especially if we're not talking about a player who is going to be asked to play 95 minutes 46 times a season.
I'll be happy to see it if it happens. Probably spells the end of Wiliams, I would rather invest his wages on someone who will (hopefully) be available for selection. |
But it is, and I can't see it changing. Fifa/FM is partly to blame in this tbh, and then you've got 'that' profile the club has kinda been keeping with, so whilst I don't agree it's a problem, Im not shocked there aren't automatic lovers of the link. |  |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:24 - Jan 18 with 2328 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:22 - Jan 18 by burnbudgiesburn |
Are we really thinking of splashing £1m+ on a 33 year old squad back up?
It's literally burning money. Unless, as has been intimated that 80% of that is dependent on PL football next season. In which case no one will care. |
You'd imagine £250k now remaining as promotion bonus. | |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:30 - Jan 18 with 2243 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:24 - Jan 18 by FrimleyBlue |
You'd imagine £250k now remaining as promotion bonus. |
The haggle is them probably holding out for more upfront. I'd do that as well if I was them in their position. |  | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:31 - Jan 18 with 2228 views | ipswichtillidie |
Cover for Leif which will clearly lack. Brandon won’t be back either so makes sense and would imagine FB will be more of a priority in the summer. |  |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:34 - Jan 18 with 2180 views | WicklowBlue |
Reading through this thread reminds me of similarities of when we signed Luongo.
We all know how that signing went... |  | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:37 - Jan 18 with 2125 views | yorkshireblue |
Let’s not forget last time he was nearing the end of his contract he was linked to us and signed a new deal a few weeks later… |  | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:40 - Jan 18 with 2073 views | Vegtablue |
The drop-off from Davis is too big at the moment. Meanwhile, we don't want to waste all our budget trying to unearth competition for him: Leif plays when fit. Johnson would be excellent cover, a real upgrade. So much better at filling that role than the options we have now, honestly. It resolves the Williams situation and allows Humphreys to move on loan, should he want to.
My only worry would be if it significantly eats into our striker budget. | | | |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:43 - Jan 18 with 2040 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
Take on board the points raised about experienced back up but still feels a bit weird to me. Happy to give McKenna benefit of the doubt, but in my opinion our transfer record is spottier than some make out, fantastic coaching and several great finds aside.
Thinking about Greg Leigh and how I miss him - was that a case of him wanting more playing time, us wanting better, or a combination of both?
Anyway, loaned Sarmiento and Travis already. Looking at another loan for Moore, which leaves a potential buy for Johnson and then someone else up top, ideally Gallagher or (less likely) Stansfield. That would be us done I assume, so then who's leaving? Williams, Ladapo and Ball? Does that work numerically? | |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:51 - Jan 18 with 1945 views | Basuco |
This would make good sense to me, with Leif managing an injury and the way KMc plays fullbacks in that they get up and down the wings, I think Marvin Johnson would be an excellent signing. |  | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:53 - Jan 18 with 1893 views | pointofblue |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:40 - Jan 18 by Vegtablue |
The drop-off from Davis is too big at the moment. Meanwhile, we don't want to waste all our budget trying to unearth competition for him: Leif plays when fit. Johnson would be excellent cover, a real upgrade. So much better at filling that role than the options we have now, honestly. It resolves the Williams situation and allows Humphreys to move on loan, should he want to.
My only worry would be if it significantly eats into our striker budget. |
If we're signing Johnson and sending back Williams, it frees up two loan slots. I'd suggest both of those will be used on strikers. | |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:57 - Jan 18 with 1855 views | strikalite |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:10 - Jan 18 by RobTheMonk |
It’s not easy bringing in someone of top quality to sit on the bench. Sounds like we’re going for solid and stable cover. Humphries to go on loan? |
This, solid experienced cover, from the bench too when we need to see out games...
He's got a nasty streak too, we need that.. |  | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:59 - Jan 18 with 1829 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Would rather have Humphrey’s as back up on the left personally, he looked decent when he came in. Chance to develop an asset and no fee. A 6 figure sum for a 33 year old who’s only managed 13 games and 2 assists this season just doesn’t feel good business.
BUT in McKenna we trust… | | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 13:00 - Jan 18 with 1802 views | SitfcB |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 11:12 - Jan 18 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
It's going to feel a bit Bonne/Piggot when McKenna first came in, we will be trying to play someone in what became the Ladapo/Hirst position who from my recollection isn't that well suited to it, beyond having a bit of stamina. He certainly won't be scoring for fun, and if you look at what our rivals have up top... |
Thick as mince. |  |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 13:24 - Jan 18 with 1638 views | Wacko |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:34 - Jan 18 by WicklowBlue |
Reading through this thread reminds me of similarities of when we signed Luongo.
We all know how that signing went... |
Luongo was free | |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 13:36 - Jan 18 with 1555 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:10 - Jan 18 by itfcjoe |
The only way it ends up costing £1m for him is if we are in the Premier League next season and if that is the case then it will have been worth it - everyone now whilst we plead FFP poverty will be after a big promotion top up and who can blame them [Post edited 18 Jan 2024 12:11]
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I wonder if these contingent fees are ever considered to impact the matches between clubs - effectively we are incentivising the club we are purchasing from to underperform against us, and overperform against our rivals so they can get paid out. Just imagine if that happened in South America… | | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 13:37 - Jan 18 with 1542 views | Vegtablue |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:43 - Jan 18 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
Take on board the points raised about experienced back up but still feels a bit weird to me. Happy to give McKenna benefit of the doubt, but in my opinion our transfer record is spottier than some make out, fantastic coaching and several great finds aside.
Thinking about Greg Leigh and how I miss him - was that a case of him wanting more playing time, us wanting better, or a combination of both?
Anyway, loaned Sarmiento and Travis already. Looking at another loan for Moore, which leaves a potential buy for Johnson and then someone else up top, ideally Gallagher or (less likely) Stansfield. That would be us done I assume, so then who's leaving? Williams, Ladapo and Ball? Does that work numerically? |
Evans and Aluko should be below Ball in the pecking order, if registration number becomes an issue. Think Leigh wanted to play. Ladapo moving feels very likely. I predict Ball and Jackson will stay whatever happens, as trusted squad cover. Pointofblue makes a very good point about freeing up a loan place in returning Williams.
I think there's a collaborative process to signings and some will have been brought in with far more confidence than others. Ahadme in particular felt like a roll of the dice at the time, once it became clear our primary targets had eluded us and it became a risk worth taking. Camara didn't work out, but it followed a similar principle to the Broadhead signing (much like Luongo and Tuanzebe, picking up talented players with reduced valuations on account of their injury records).
On.the whole I think our business has been great since January 2022. £1M misspent in fees to clubs, with all other fees representing good or great value IMO. Good success rate with free transfers: players like Ball and Leigh were brought in as important cover on equivalent wages, so I'd include them as good signings. Loan additions have been hit-and-miss, but it's hard to judge some of these without knowing our outlay for them and what it meant for the rest of our budget. | | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 13:38 - Jan 18 with 1539 views | NthQldITFC |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 12:30 - Jan 18 by burnbudgiesburn |
The haggle is them probably holding out for more upfront. I'd do that as well if I was them in their position. |
If anyone can get negotiation of this deal for Marvin Johnson done right it's Ashton. He's a marvellous Marvin haggler. |  |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 13:45 - Jan 18 with 1491 views | HalifaxBlue |
It's an inexpensive move for an experienced player that will mean the entire structure of the team doesn't fall apart when we don't have a natural left-footed replacement to Davis.
Based on his age, you can assume we won't be tying ourselves to him long term, so we can still move when something better becomes available in the summer if necessary.
This is would be a shrewd signing. They can't all be eye-catching. You build a squad. |  |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 14:29 - Jan 18 with 1350 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 13:37 - Jan 18 by Vegtablue |
Evans and Aluko should be below Ball in the pecking order, if registration number becomes an issue. Think Leigh wanted to play. Ladapo moving feels very likely. I predict Ball and Jackson will stay whatever happens, as trusted squad cover. Pointofblue makes a very good point about freeing up a loan place in returning Williams.
I think there's a collaborative process to signings and some will have been brought in with far more confidence than others. Ahadme in particular felt like a roll of the dice at the time, once it became clear our primary targets had eluded us and it became a risk worth taking. Camara didn't work out, but it followed a similar principle to the Broadhead signing (much like Luongo and Tuanzebe, picking up talented players with reduced valuations on account of their injury records).
On.the whole I think our business has been great since January 2022. £1M misspent in fees to clubs, with all other fees representing good or great value IMO. Good success rate with free transfers: players like Ball and Leigh were brought in as important cover on equivalent wages, so I'd include them as good signings. Loan additions have been hit-and-miss, but it's hard to judge some of these without knowing our outlay for them and what it meant for the rest of our budget. |
I agree on Evans and Aluko being deregistered, but some seem to think it's poor form to deregister a player when they're recovering from injury. Not sure what the club's thoughts are but it is clear they won't be part of the squad next season. Aluko would be easy to move aside though, as we could still use him in the FA Cup and still make use of him around the training ground.
I really only bring Ball into it because once Morsy is back, and assuming Luongo isn't out for too long, I wouldn't give him a kick with Taylor, Travis and Humphreys about. I will concede that he was great off the bench the other night, and we needed him, but that's easily the highlight of his time with us for me. Like Aluko though, McKenna clearly sees value in having him around as a professional and something of a role model.
You're quite right that Ahadme and Camara are the two big misses, as well as Keogh, on the pitch at least. I see Ball as more of a miss than a hit, but either way you see it, he is a soft hit or soft miss. Not sure where I see Tuanzebe right now, particularly if he ends up leaving this window. We just haven't had enough of him to really call it yet. Agree about the loans being unpredictable and that a lot of the business has been excellent, just not as spotless as some make it out to be. We have to gamble though, and most of our gambles have worked, so I'll trust them to carry on that way. | |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 15:11 - Jan 18 with 1243 views | pointofblue |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 14:29 - Jan 18 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I agree on Evans and Aluko being deregistered, but some seem to think it's poor form to deregister a player when they're recovering from injury. Not sure what the club's thoughts are but it is clear they won't be part of the squad next season. Aluko would be easy to move aside though, as we could still use him in the FA Cup and still make use of him around the training ground.
I really only bring Ball into it because once Morsy is back, and assuming Luongo isn't out for too long, I wouldn't give him a kick with Taylor, Travis and Humphreys about. I will concede that he was great off the bench the other night, and we needed him, but that's easily the highlight of his time with us for me. Like Aluko though, McKenna clearly sees value in having him around as a professional and something of a role model.
You're quite right that Ahadme and Camara are the two big misses, as well as Keogh, on the pitch at least. I see Ball as more of a miss than a hit, but either way you see it, he is a soft hit or soft miss. Not sure where I see Tuanzebe right now, particularly if he ends up leaving this window. We just haven't had enough of him to really call it yet. Agree about the loans being unpredictable and that a lot of the business has been excellent, just not as spotless as some make it out to be. We have to gamble though, and most of our gambles have worked, so I'll trust them to carry on that way. |
For me, Ahadme was a panic signing when we didn't get Hirst through the door. Whilst called a 'miss', I think he was a punt which didn't work out but added depth to the squad.
Camara was an utterly stupid signing considering he was injured at the time. No idea what the thinking was there. And, up to now, Taylor's arrival has hardly been successful considering the outlay. | |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 15:38 - Jan 18 with 1174 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 15:11 - Jan 18 by pointofblue |
For me, Ahadme was a panic signing when we didn't get Hirst through the door. Whilst called a 'miss', I think he was a punt which didn't work out but added depth to the squad.
Camara was an utterly stupid signing considering he was injured at the time. No idea what the thinking was there. And, up to now, Taylor's arrival has hardly been successful considering the outlay. |
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
If you have a strategy of signing high bar players (I honestly don't think any of us know how high the bar would have been with injury free Ahadme and Camara) with patchy injury records in order to get better players than you would be able to afford otherwise, then you have to take the rough with the smooth: Ahadme, Camara = rough, Broadhead, Luongo = smooth. I seem to remember that even Hirst's injury record was not great either, so maybe he is in the latter category (current status notwithstanding)
If you take that view, it doesn't make the former two players necessarily bad signings, just that the risk didn't work there, but they did for NB and ML. Just because they were end of window signings also should not taint them | | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 15:45 - Jan 18 with 1146 views | itfcjoe |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 15:38 - Jan 18 by Exiled2Surrey |
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
If you have a strategy of signing high bar players (I honestly don't think any of us know how high the bar would have been with injury free Ahadme and Camara) with patchy injury records in order to get better players than you would be able to afford otherwise, then you have to take the rough with the smooth: Ahadme, Camara = rough, Broadhead, Luongo = smooth. I seem to remember that even Hirst's injury record was not great either, so maybe he is in the latter category (current status notwithstanding)
If you take that view, it doesn't make the former two players necessarily bad signings, just that the risk didn't work there, but they did for NB and ML. Just because they were end of window signings also should not taint them |
They were both rushed panic signings, nothing like Broadhead or Luongo.
As an example, we'd spent months talking to Taylor before he signed, when we signed Camara on deadline day, he found out that morning and travelled up to Ipswich for talks .
Ahadme was a signing based off a good performance against us when we ran out of options.
It's no coincidence we go back time and again to long term targets, but those 2 simply weren't and one has proved to be a terrible signing whereas the other may just about be ok as seems to have something in League 1 and is still young |  |
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| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 16:02 - Jan 18 with 1035 views | itfc1108 |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 15:45 - Jan 18 by itfcjoe |
They were both rushed panic signings, nothing like Broadhead or Luongo.
As an example, we'd spent months talking to Taylor before he signed, when we signed Camara on deadline day, he found out that morning and travelled up to Ipswich for talks .
Ahadme was a signing based off a good performance against us when we ran out of options.
It's no coincidence we go back time and again to long term targets, but those 2 simply weren't and one has proved to be a terrible signing whereas the other may just about be ok as seems to have something in League 1 and is still young |
I think I would have kept Ahadme here, for at least the first half of this season, to learn from McKenna and what he wants from a front man, and to watch and learn from George Hirst, on a match day and in training. Even if he doesn't make the 18, he can observe Hirst from the stands.
If he does make a match day squad, he can come on for Hirst with 15-20 minutes left, with the incentive of maintaining what George has done, and hopefully he hasn't run himself into the ground, like he has normally had to.
It's maybe more beneficial to both us and Ahadme than a dozen league one goals.
Hindsight and all that though. | | | |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 16:10 - Jan 18 with 969 views | pointofblue |
| Marvin Johnson - bid in for him now. on 15:38 - Jan 18 by Exiled2Surrey |
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
If you have a strategy of signing high bar players (I honestly don't think any of us know how high the bar would have been with injury free Ahadme and Camara) with patchy injury records in order to get better players than you would be able to afford otherwise, then you have to take the rough with the smooth: Ahadme, Camara = rough, Broadhead, Luongo = smooth. I seem to remember that even Hirst's injury record was not great either, so maybe he is in the latter category (current status notwithstanding)
If you take that view, it doesn't make the former two players necessarily bad signings, just that the risk didn't work there, but they did for NB and ML. Just because they were end of window signings also should not taint them |
From memory, Camara was injured when we signed him. | |
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