| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen 09:27 - May 21 with 48783 views | itfcjoe |
Rob Edwards seems to be the only name mentioned yet so presume there is something in that
If we want the most continuity I would be doing what it takes to get Michael Carrick out of Boro, he signed a new deal a week or so back and very bought into the project there but I really like him too. Very tough deal to do I imagine.
I think the Pl may be a step too far, but had we stayed down I'd have been all over Danny Rohl, he strikes me as the most McKenna like as a career coach, great experience and done a fantastic job at Sheff Weds, really impressive and seems to 'get it' judging by their fan base.
Also, another name not seen mentioned much is Steve Cooper, did really well in the mad house that is Nottingham Forest, great developer of young players and good PL experience.
I've seen a few say Graham Potter but he feels unrealistic when you see the jobs linked with, is still being paid an exorbitant amount by Chelsea so not sure we'd have the clout to attract him |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:13 - May 21 with 4835 views | victorysquad |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:02 - May 21 by PhilTWTD |
I know what you mean, you're established until you're suddenly not established. Charlton were an established Premier League club. However, Brighton are more established than Town are at present, have a squad and infrastructure which have been developed in the Premier League over a number of seasons. |
I have to say I agree with Parky, and I am astonished pretty much ALL the ITFC podcasters / journo's are banging the 'Brighton is a better bet' drum. All I read is 'it is a step up', 'his stock can drop if he does not go', 'its a perfect match', I mean its almost like they want to drive him down there.
Here, he has got the entire county behind him, CEO, fantastic ownership, massive fan base, we are doing the same attendances as Brighton and we are not even in the Premier League yet FFS. We are on a upward trajectory, have a wave of support behind us, and a global music superstar backing us. He is loved at this football club, and has a chance of building a legacy like Robson and Ramsey have done previously.
It is highly likely Brighton have already hit their ceiling. Tony Bloom is just extracting cash back out of their club which is probably why Zerbi has pulled out, he can't take them any further. The last thing you want to do is jump into the shoes of a manager who has already reached the pinnacle for the club last season. Even Zerbi has said his vision / way will have been compromised to stay, there has clearly been a falling out, but you wont' get that here, McKenna has clearly been given the mantle and trust to do it his way.
Why are none of our journo's saying this? |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:16 - May 21 with 4769 views | Vic |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 13:26 - May 21 by hype313 |
Fair point and we're all looking at this through blue tinted specs, he's very much a data driven manager and if Brighton are best in class then can see the positives in that.
Still believe, taking off my blue tinted specs, that he has the keys to the kingdom here and the club will move mountains for him, the opportunities under this ownership are limitless.
Time will tell. |
Maybe he'll come back to chat with Ashton and say - 'Mark, I love it here, you know that, but what Brighton have is just that much better'. To which Ashton says 'OK, what do you need to stay? Better analytics - what do you need? More scouts? how many and where? Kieran, you know what we want and where we want to be in 3 years time; we'll give you the tools to do it. Now, here's the pen, just sign this new contract will you!' |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:19 - May 21 with 4716 views | Bossy |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:16 - May 21 by Vic |
Maybe he'll come back to chat with Ashton and say - 'Mark, I love it here, you know that, but what Brighton have is just that much better'. To which Ashton says 'OK, what do you need to stay? Better analytics - what do you need? More scouts? how many and where? Kieran, you know what we want and where we want to be in 3 years time; we'll give you the tools to do it. Now, here's the pen, just sign this new contract will you!' |
Do they then passionately kiss and everyone is clapping and crying? |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:26 - May 21 with 4614 views | TheSweeny |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:13 - May 21 by victorysquad |
I have to say I agree with Parky, and I am astonished pretty much ALL the ITFC podcasters / journo's are banging the 'Brighton is a better bet' drum. All I read is 'it is a step up', 'his stock can drop if he does not go', 'its a perfect match', I mean its almost like they want to drive him down there.
Here, he has got the entire county behind him, CEO, fantastic ownership, massive fan base, we are doing the same attendances as Brighton and we are not even in the Premier League yet FFS. We are on a upward trajectory, have a wave of support behind us, and a global music superstar backing us. He is loved at this football club, and has a chance of building a legacy like Robson and Ramsey have done previously.
It is highly likely Brighton have already hit their ceiling. Tony Bloom is just extracting cash back out of their club which is probably why Zerbi has pulled out, he can't take them any further. The last thing you want to do is jump into the shoes of a manager who has already reached the pinnacle for the club last season. Even Zerbi has said his vision / way will have been compromised to stay, there has clearly been a falling out, but you wont' get that here, McKenna has clearly been given the mantle and trust to do it his way.
Why are none of our journo's saying this? |
Good post.
Brighton are a very very well run club. Bloom is a genius. There is no way Brighton won't have planned who the next manager is before Zerbri announced he was leaving. Not a chance. They already have their next man signed and sealed. | | | |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:29 - May 21 with 4555 views | PhilTWTD |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:13 - May 21 by victorysquad |
I have to say I agree with Parky, and I am astonished pretty much ALL the ITFC podcasters / journo's are banging the 'Brighton is a better bet' drum. All I read is 'it is a step up', 'his stock can drop if he does not go', 'its a perfect match', I mean its almost like they want to drive him down there.
Here, he has got the entire county behind him, CEO, fantastic ownership, massive fan base, we are doing the same attendances as Brighton and we are not even in the Premier League yet FFS. We are on a upward trajectory, have a wave of support behind us, and a global music superstar backing us. He is loved at this football club, and has a chance of building a legacy like Robson and Ramsey have done previously.
It is highly likely Brighton have already hit their ceiling. Tony Bloom is just extracting cash back out of their club which is probably why Zerbi has pulled out, he can't take them any further. The last thing you want to do is jump into the shoes of a manager who has already reached the pinnacle for the club last season. Even Zerbi has said his vision / way will have been compromised to stay, there has clearly been a falling out, but you wont' get that here, McKenna has clearly been given the mantle and trust to do it his way.
Why are none of our journo's saying this? |
No one wants to drive Kieran away, far from it, but I think Brighton has its attractions ahead of Town at present due to their time in the Premier League. Don't think anyone is disputing what he's got at Town. |  | | |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:30 - May 21 with 4524 views | pointofblue |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 15:48 - May 21 by yorkshireblue |
New theory.... McKenna and Ashton are playing 4D chess.
Kmc went to have a look round Brighton's state of the art training ground to get ideas for Playford Road, and a gander at their analytics model and transfer targets for us to copy.
If suddenly Portman Road develops a 'feature; waterfall from the top of the Cobbold, we'll know he's done the same with Manchester United as well.... |
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we have a waterfall under Evans? | |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:35 - May 21 with 4444 views | crouchendyachtclub |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:29 - May 21 by PhilTWTD |
No one wants to drive Kieran away, far from it, but I think Brighton has its attractions ahead of Town at present due to their time in the Premier League. Don't think anyone is disputing what he's got at Town. |
If he stays I suspect it will be as a result of the time factor. KMK's approach relies on building patterns of play, which won't come overnight. If he doesn't feel like Brighton play like that currently then he could be concerned that by the time it beds in he'll be 18 months into an underwhelming start and no better off than he would have been if he remained at Ipswich.
I think we can assume that the transfer budget will suddenly go up by 50% if he is in charge too. | | | |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:45 - May 21 with 4307 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:29 - May 21 by PhilTWTD |
No one wants to drive Kieran away, far from it, but I think Brighton has its attractions ahead of Town at present due to their time in the Premier League. Don't think anyone is disputing what he's got at Town. |
Have to agree with the other posters here Phil.
No one maybe disputing what he’s got at Town but sure as eggs is eggs, no one is selling it either.
All I’ve heard over the last few days is pretty much, “Well, Brighton are interested, start planning the wake lads”
There’s an element of, ‘he’s far too good for us, why would he stay here’ |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:46 - May 21 with 4277 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:30 - May 21 by pointofblue |
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we have a waterfall under Evans? |
That was the Urinals. | |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:48 - May 21 with 4237 views | hype313 |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:45 - May 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Have to agree with the other posters here Phil.
No one maybe disputing what he’s got at Town but sure as eggs is eggs, no one is selling it either.
All I’ve heard over the last few days is pretty much, “Well, Brighton are interested, start planning the wake lads”
There’s an element of, ‘he’s far too good for us, why would he stay here’ |
Not being funny, but if someone asked me to improve on 10th with Danny Welbeck spearheading the attack and James Milner pulling the strings, I'd have reservations too. |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:52 - May 21 with 4183 views | textbackup |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 14:26 - May 21 by pointofblue |
Whilst I understand what you mean, I think Brighton would be the more sensible move of the two. |
I love the bloke, but if he went to Chelsea I’d think he was a pr1ck.
Poxy club |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 17:19 - May 21 with 3921 views | StokieBlue |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 15:00 - May 21 by nodge_blue |
I didn't mean to be rude there Stokie.
Ive been up since 4am, done a lot of travelling and got a cold coming on. Im just much more in the emotive side of this at the moment rather than someone looking at it with a spreadsheet in hand.
I just believe in fairies and good people doing good things sometimes rather than building careers and having agents pushing agendas.
No one mess with my fairy. [Post edited 21 May 2024 15:02]
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No worries - fully understand the emotive nature of the subject, just have to be realistic as well.
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 17:36 - May 21 with 3728 views | PhilTWTD |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:45 - May 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Have to agree with the other posters here Phil.
No one maybe disputing what he’s got at Town but sure as eggs is eggs, no one is selling it either.
All I’ve heard over the last few days is pretty much, “Well, Brighton are interested, start planning the wake lads”
There’s an element of, ‘he’s far too good for us, why would he stay here’ |
I'm not sure that's the argument. I think Kieran's career aim is to manage at the very top level. That ambition may be better served by going to a club established in the Premier League rather than staying with one which has just been promoted two divisions. That may not necessarily be the case, of course, but there's a greater chance of taking Brighton towards the higher echelons of the Premier League than Town at present and thereby attracting the attentions of Man U etc. I'm not convinced there's any serious interest from them or clubs of that size at the moment.
At the same time, there's a greater chance of being relegated with Town and setting his career path back as a result, as per George Burley 20 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, I want Kieran to stay at Town for the next 15 years and take us into the Champions League, but I can see the logic in moving to Brighton from a career perspective. As I've said, I get the impression that while it still has the potential to happen, I'm not sure it's as likely as it appeared yesterday. | | | |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 17:45 - May 21 with 3613 views | NedPlimpton |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 17:36 - May 21 by PhilTWTD |
I'm not sure that's the argument. I think Kieran's career aim is to manage at the very top level. That ambition may be better served by going to a club established in the Premier League rather than staying with one which has just been promoted two divisions. That may not necessarily be the case, of course, but there's a greater chance of taking Brighton towards the higher echelons of the Premier League than Town at present and thereby attracting the attentions of Man U etc. I'm not convinced there's any serious interest from them or clubs of that size at the moment.
At the same time, there's a greater chance of being relegated with Town and setting his career path back as a result, as per George Burley 20 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, I want Kieran to stay at Town for the next 15 years and take us into the Champions League, but I can see the logic in moving to Brighton from a career perspective. As I've said, I get the impression that while it still has the potential to happen, I'm not sure it's as likely as it appeared yesterday. |
Exactly this. Everyone seems so keen to drag it into a debate about which is the bigger club, but this is purely about what Keiran will think is best for his career. And so it should be |  | | |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 17:51 - May 21 with 3537 views | MK1 |
Carrick is a good shout, but would prefer Cooper. Reckon he could come in and establish us. |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 18:10 - May 21 with 3378 views | ibbleobble |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:29 - May 21 by PhilTWTD |
No one wants to drive Kieran away, far from it, but I think Brighton has its attractions ahead of Town at present due to their time in the Premier League. Don't think anyone is disputing what he's got at Town. |
The big differentiator is it’s not ‘his’ though. He’s built this at Town with some help; its as much his at is others. That alone is why he won’t be leaving for Brighton. Brighton aren’t attractive enough to tempt him away. | | | |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 18:22 - May 21 with 3241 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 17:36 - May 21 by PhilTWTD |
I'm not sure that's the argument. I think Kieran's career aim is to manage at the very top level. That ambition may be better served by going to a club established in the Premier League rather than staying with one which has just been promoted two divisions. That may not necessarily be the case, of course, but there's a greater chance of taking Brighton towards the higher echelons of the Premier League than Town at present and thereby attracting the attentions of Man U etc. I'm not convinced there's any serious interest from them or clubs of that size at the moment.
At the same time, there's a greater chance of being relegated with Town and setting his career path back as a result, as per George Burley 20 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, I want Kieran to stay at Town for the next 15 years and take us into the Champions League, but I can see the logic in moving to Brighton from a career perspective. As I've said, I get the impression that while it still has the potential to happen, I'm not sure it's as likely as it appeared yesterday. |
I do see both sides of the coin, but agree with earlier comments that if United and Chelsea are interested in him now (however serious that might be) having not managed a single game in the Prem, what difference would it make if he goes to Brighton (albeit they are more established than us in the Prem currently), or staying with us for a season?
Yes we might be fighting relegation, but if the likes of Kompany and Edwards find themselves being linked with Prem jobs having had pretty poor attempts at trying to keep their sides in the Prem, I’m pretty certain McKenna will still have suitors in 12 months times.
Either way I’m of the opinion I hope it gets sorted as soon as possible to give us the best possible chance of preparing for the season ahead. |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 18:31 - May 21 with 3127 views | textbackup |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 18:22 - May 21 by Kieran_Knows |
I do see both sides of the coin, but agree with earlier comments that if United and Chelsea are interested in him now (however serious that might be) having not managed a single game in the Prem, what difference would it make if he goes to Brighton (albeit they are more established than us in the Prem currently), or staying with us for a season?
Yes we might be fighting relegation, but if the likes of Kompany and Edwards find themselves being linked with Prem jobs having had pretty poor attempts at trying to keep their sides in the Prem, I’m pretty certain McKenna will still have suitors in 12 months times.
Either way I’m of the opinion I hope it gets sorted as soon as possible to give us the best possible chance of preparing for the season ahead. |
You’d like to think him and MA have had the chat, and they know what the future looks like.
And I can’t imagine MA would sit around taking wishy washy answers either, he’ll protect Town fiercely. | |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 18:41 - May 21 with 3022 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 18:31 - May 21 by textbackup |
You’d like to think him and MA have had the chat, and they know what the future looks like.
And I can’t imagine MA would sit around taking wishy washy answers either, he’ll protect Town fiercely. |
Hopefully Ashton is providing Keiran with the oxygen he needs to succeed next season. |  |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 18:51 - May 21 with 2919 views | oldbeardy |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 16:02 - May 21 by PhilTWTD |
I know what you mean, you're established until you're suddenly not established. Charlton were an established Premier League club. However, Brighton are more established than Town are at present, have a squad and infrastructure which have been developed in the Premier League over a number of seasons. |
I get the point about a manager's stock falling with relegation, if that were to happen. Equally though there's jeopardy with Brighton. 11th this year is presumably viewed as going backwards from 6th the season before. So being successful there probably means top 6 or very close and that's a very tough ask - seems to me there's quite big risks for a new manager there not delivering on those expectations and the potential drift in reputation. | | | |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 18:54 - May 21 with 2896 views | victorysquad |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 17:36 - May 21 by PhilTWTD |
I'm not sure that's the argument. I think Kieran's career aim is to manage at the very top level. That ambition may be better served by going to a club established in the Premier League rather than staying with one which has just been promoted two divisions. That may not necessarily be the case, of course, but there's a greater chance of taking Brighton towards the higher echelons of the Premier League than Town at present and thereby attracting the attentions of Man U etc. I'm not convinced there's any serious interest from them or clubs of that size at the moment.
At the same time, there's a greater chance of being relegated with Town and setting his career path back as a result, as per George Burley 20 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, I want Kieran to stay at Town for the next 15 years and take us into the Champions League, but I can see the logic in moving to Brighton from a career perspective. As I've said, I get the impression that while it still has the potential to happen, I'm not sure it's as likely as it appeared yesterday. |
Whilst I would agree that there is a greater chance in taking Brighton higher, its not really that easy is it? I mean they are already 11th and they are a ton of clubs ahead of them that are all way bigger than them.
There are also a ton of risks with going:
1- The Brighton fans are not exactly excited about him going there are they
2. Tony Bloom has openly said that you never know how a manager will turn out - if they start off bottom three, there is every risk they get shot of him
3. Senior players may leave and not want to play for him
4. He may have personality clashes with people there
5. His wife + kids may not settle in the area
I just don't think there is much balance in your argument, and quite frankly, I think it is wrong for people high up in the ITFC area of influence to come out with statements like:
"Brighton has its attractions ahead of Town at present due to their time in the Premier League"
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"there's a greater chance of being relegated with Town and setting his career path back as a result"
I mean, what is going on? We will be the total sh*t if he leaves us. | |
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| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 19:00 - May 21 with 2836 views | SmithersJones |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 17:36 - May 21 by PhilTWTD |
I'm not sure that's the argument. I think Kieran's career aim is to manage at the very top level. That ambition may be better served by going to a club established in the Premier League rather than staying with one which has just been promoted two divisions. That may not necessarily be the case, of course, but there's a greater chance of taking Brighton towards the higher echelons of the Premier League than Town at present and thereby attracting the attentions of Man U etc. I'm not convinced there's any serious interest from them or clubs of that size at the moment.
At the same time, there's a greater chance of being relegated with Town and setting his career path back as a result, as per George Burley 20 years ago.
Don't get me wrong, I want Kieran to stay at Town for the next 15 years and take us into the Champions League, but I can see the logic in moving to Brighton from a career perspective. As I've said, I get the impression that while it still has the potential to happen, I'm not sure it's as likely as it appeared yesterday. |
If we really want to make a statement about how much we value him, how about offering Kieran shares in Gamechanger20? Would tie his rewards to the future of the club and, based on how much the valuation has gone up so far, would offer him some serious reward potential. | | | |
| Yeah, that's the impression I'm getting.... on 19:00 - May 21 with 2835 views | Parky |
| Yeah, that's the impression I'm getting.... on 13:57 - May 21 by Parky |
Randomly, one of my mates text earlier to say that Poch will be leaving Chelsea very soon after continued talks this week didn’t go very smoothly. |
Well well well
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| Yeah, that's the impression I'm getting.... on 19:15 - May 21 with 2738 views | Macedonian_Gerrard |
| Yeah, that's the impression I'm getting.... on 19:00 - May 21 by Parky |
Well well well
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my poor heart barely made it through this season & now its being attacked in the post season, following ITFC should come with a health warning!!!! |  | | |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 19:31 - May 21 with 2657 views | PhilTWTD |
| Potential next manager market if the worst was to happen on 18:54 - May 21 by victorysquad |
Whilst I would agree that there is a greater chance in taking Brighton higher, its not really that easy is it? I mean they are already 11th and they are a ton of clubs ahead of them that are all way bigger than them.
There are also a ton of risks with going:
1- The Brighton fans are not exactly excited about him going there are they
2. Tony Bloom has openly said that you never know how a manager will turn out - if they start off bottom three, there is every risk they get shot of him
3. Senior players may leave and not want to play for him
4. He may have personality clashes with people there
5. His wife + kids may not settle in the area
I just don't think there is much balance in your argument, and quite frankly, I think it is wrong for people high up in the ITFC area of influence to come out with statements like:
"Brighton has its attractions ahead of Town at present due to their time in the Premier League"
and
"there's a greater chance of being relegated with Town and setting his career path back as a result"
I mean, what is going on? We will be the total sh*t if he leaves us. |
I don't think there's anything controversial in either of those statements at the end. I'd say most people would agree with them. I don't think it would be easy to push Brighton on but there's a greater chance of doing a job there which would attract the Champions League clubs - additionally Brighton will have ambitions to push on to that level themselves, I'm sure - than here this season. Not saying it's impossible that he could do as well or better here, just a greater chance reaching those levels under Brighton. | | | |
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