| EADT silence making me twitchy 23:34 - May 27 with 18086 views | Samuelowen88 |
Got faith in Phil, but still slightly twitchy that the EADT boys haven't out anything out yet.
Please take no offense Phil, but would their level of confidence in a story have to be higher than your own you think?
Although your implication was sources in the club? So would assume they hear the same things. |  |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 10:37 - May 28 with 2878 views | footers |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 10:35 - May 28 by hoppy |
Clever. Very clever... as we would automatically be above them all before a ball is even kicked, due to alphabetical ordering. |
That's why they pay me the big bucks, baby. |  |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 10:42 - May 28 with 2841 views | bluelady |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 00:32 - May 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think they would have been surprised that he jumped ship for a mid table club without giving us one more year.
I didn't think he would join them, and I'm pleased he didn't.
I hope he's not damaged his relationship with the players. |
Are you serious? do you not think the players would be interested and give some thought to other opportunities outside of Ipswich? They are likely to respect him even more by the mere fact he turned down the opportunity to 'guarantee' staying up with Brighton to what is a massive risk with town if you look at what happened this season. |  | | |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 10:50 - May 28 with 2780 views | davblue |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 09:35 - May 28 by GavTWTD |
We'll all breathe much more easily when the club announces his new contract. It'll also be exciting to hear of plans for the season.
I have to admit I thought he'd gone. So, so glad he's staying. |
yeah likewise thought it was a matter of time.
Did really dampen down my high from promotion, i feel more confident that we have a chance of staying up with McKenna than without him. Just from him knowing the players, knowing what we need and not having someone come in who didnt know the ins and outs of the squad.
I thought we would go down95%, that's not to say someone could have kept us up but they would have been starting on the back foot. |  | | |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 10:55 - May 28 with 2742 views | PhilTWTD |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 10:27 - May 28 by FrimleyBlue |
I beg to differ there Phil
Brighton are where they are. If he went there and didn't actually improve their standings but just did what their last manage did then he's not done anything of note.
Keeping town up or finishing midtable or even higher then he's put himself in the window even more than he already has imo.
Had he gone to Brighton and failed he could have blown his chances for a few years.
If town go down its expected so its not a massive negative against him. He'll just go again. |
I think there's a better chance of doing a job which would get him the big job he ultimately wants at Brighton. Relegation with Town would put him back. But he obviously has confidence that that won't happen. |  | | |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:01 - May 28 with 2670 views | victorysquad |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 10:55 - May 28 by PhilTWTD |
I think there's a better chance of doing a job which would get him the big job he ultimately wants at Brighton. Relegation with Town would put him back. But he obviously has confidence that that won't happen. |
"Relegation with Town would put him back", but Vincent Kompany just proves that this is nonsense.
Here is a link for you: https://bhasc.com/wp/membership/membership-form/ (to save you the time). You can get Stuart signed up at the same time, may do you a 2-for-1 offer? [Post edited 28 May 2024 11:04]
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:04 - May 28 with 2621 views | pointofblue |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 10:55 - May 28 by PhilTWTD |
I think there's a better chance of doing a job which would get him the big job he ultimately wants at Brighton. Relegation with Town would put him back. But he obviously has confidence that that won't happen. |
I think both the reward and risk is bigger with Brighton. Get them back into the top six, perhaps with a strong cup run, and he will definitely be next in line for one of the big jobs. However, if they end up in a relegation scrap, then it’d push him further down the list then doing the same here would. And, as Kompany has shown, struggling and being relegated with a newly promoted team is not necessarily a hindrance. | |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:06 - May 28 with 2596 views | PhilTWTD |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:01 - May 28 by victorysquad |
"Relegation with Town would put him back", but Vincent Kompany just proves that this is nonsense.
Here is a link for you: https://bhasc.com/wp/membership/membership-form/ (to save you the time). You can get Stuart signed up at the same time, may do you a 2-for-1 offer? [Post edited 28 May 2024 11:04]
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I don't think you can compare the two. Vincent Kompany had a huge, illustrious playing career and a spell in charge of Anderlecht before Burnley. His profile is completely different. | | | |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:11 - May 28 with 2532 views | Ryorry |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 10:55 - May 28 by PhilTWTD |
I think there's a better chance of doing a job which would get him the big job he ultimately wants at Brighton. Relegation with Town would put him back. But he obviously has confidence that that won't happen. |
He's shown throughout his time with us that he analyses & coolly plays the percentages though - eg playing it out from the back, subs etc. - so he's not a gambling man, & going to Brighton would have been a risk for him, whereas staying here is a risk-free option that he can't lose by.*
Not to mention no domestic upheaval, & MA & Gamechanger making his financial package here at least as attractive as theirs.
*Edit - most pundits are expecting us to go down anyway with the squad building required, record of newly-promoted teams etc., so if we do, KM's not going to be blamed for it, & if we stay up, his kudos is obviously enhanced. [Post edited 28 May 2024 11:18]
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:15 - May 28 with 2488 views | victorysquad |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:06 - May 28 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think you can compare the two. Vincent Kompany had a huge, illustrious playing career and a spell in charge of Anderlecht before Burnley. His profile is completely different. |
You can compare the two (we are). You think they are employing him for his playing ability? and not his playing style / principles and character as an individual? | |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:20 - May 28 with 2431 views | footers |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:15 - May 28 by victorysquad |
You can compare the two (we are). You think they are employing him for his playing ability? and not his playing style / principles and character as an individual? |
The fact that he speaks German probably helps. | |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:21 - May 28 with 2417 views | ITFCBlues |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:01 - May 28 by victorysquad |
"Relegation with Town would put him back", but Vincent Kompany just proves that this is nonsense.
Here is a link for you: https://bhasc.com/wp/membership/membership-form/ (to save you the time). You can get Stuart signed up at the same time, may do you a 2-for-1 offer? [Post edited 28 May 2024 11:04]
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It's not nonsense is it? How often does that happen? This year seems an anomaly in that clubs are going for younger managers because there's a lack or proven experienced managers available. Kompany was way down Bayerns list for example.
Plus, so you think he gets that job if his names not Vincent Kompany, ex Man City legend/big name player? |  |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:22 - May 28 with 2391 views | victorysquad |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:20 - May 28 by footers |
The fact that he speaks German probably helps. |
I heard he likes frankfurters too. | |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:34 - May 28 with 2276 views | NedPlimpton |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:15 - May 28 by victorysquad |
You can compare the two (we are). You think they are employing him for his playing ability? and not his playing style / principles and character as an individual? |
Let's be honest though, Kompany was nowhere near their 1st choice and a relegated EPL manager moving to one of the biggest jobs in European football isn't the norm |  | | |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:49 - May 28 with 2175 views | PhilTWTD |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:15 - May 28 by victorysquad |
You can compare the two (we are). You think they are employing him for his playing ability? and not his playing style / principles and character as an individual? |
But it will come into why he got the job. See Frank Lampard's entire career, other ex-players of a similar standing who get jobs their CVs as a manager wouldn't get them near without their playing career.
I take the point but I don't think you can compare the two and there are plenty of managers who have been touted for jobs at a certain level only to have less success where they were and not be seen in that way again. Someone mentioned Mark Bonner at Cambridge turning down Rotherham when they were in the Championship and about 18 months later ending up at Gillingham in League Two. | | | |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:15 - May 28 with 2053 views | Churchman |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:20 - May 28 by footers |
The fact that he speaks German probably helps. |
And that he likes sauerkraut, those ghastly dumplings that look like hippo knackers and Liebfraumilch. |  | | |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:22 - May 28 with 1990 views | belgablue |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:15 - May 28 by Churchman |
And that he likes sauerkraut, those ghastly dumplings that look like hippo knackers and Liebfraumilch. |
Kartoffelsalat an underrated delicacy though. |  |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:22 - May 28 with 1984 views | DarkBrandon |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:49 - May 28 by PhilTWTD |
But it will come into why he got the job. See Frank Lampard's entire career, other ex-players of a similar standing who get jobs their CVs as a manager wouldn't get them near without their playing career.
I take the point but I don't think you can compare the two and there are plenty of managers who have been touted for jobs at a certain level only to have less success where they were and not be seen in that way again. Someone mentioned Mark Bonner at Cambridge turning down Rotherham when they were in the Championship and about 18 months later ending up at Gillingham in League Two. |
If McKenna had had Rooney’s career in management would he have got the Plymouth gig? |  | | |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:25 - May 28 with 1947 views | victorysquad |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:34 - May 28 by NedPlimpton |
Let's be honest though, Kompany was nowhere near their 1st choice and a relegated EPL manager moving to one of the biggest jobs in European football isn't the norm |
What is 'the norm'? If Maresca gets the Chelsea job, that is another manager who has got a top job due to their playing style. This is the 'new norm'. | |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:36 - May 28 with 1868 views | Europablue |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:06 - May 28 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think you can compare the two. Vincent Kompany had a huge, illustrious playing career and a spell in charge of Anderlecht before Burnley. His profile is completely different. |
Vincent Kompany has less coaching experience although he's managed clubs for a little longer, but he hasn't won the LMA manager of the year award. You'd imagine that Kompany is being offered the job mostly based on a recommendation from Pep, because whilst he is a promising manager with one excellent season in the Championship, he has certainly not proven himself at the elite level. Rooney and Lampard probably had more impressive playing careers than Kompany. The playing careers are at best not an advantage in terms of ability. A coach who has not played at the highest level, but has coached at the highest level for years is more likely to be successful as a manager. Maybe the playing career gets the big-headed players onside. | | | |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:39 - May 28 with 1821 views | ParisBlue |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:49 - May 28 by PhilTWTD |
But it will come into why he got the job. See Frank Lampard's entire career, other ex-players of a similar standing who get jobs their CVs as a manager wouldn't get them near without their playing career.
I take the point but I don't think you can compare the two and there are plenty of managers who have been touted for jobs at a certain level only to have less success where they were and not be seen in that way again. Someone mentioned Mark Bonner at Cambridge turning down Rotherham when they were in the Championship and about 18 months later ending up at Gillingham in League Two. |
Apparently Paul Lambert played for some big clubs.
That would appear to have been his only qualification to be a manager. |  |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:42 - May 28 with 1801 views | victorysquad |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 11:49 - May 28 by PhilTWTD |
But it will come into why he got the job. See Frank Lampard's entire career, other ex-players of a similar standing who get jobs their CVs as a manager wouldn't get them near without their playing career.
I take the point but I don't think you can compare the two and there are plenty of managers who have been touted for jobs at a certain level only to have less success where they were and not be seen in that way again. Someone mentioned Mark Bonner at Cambridge turning down Rotherham when they were in the Championship and about 18 months later ending up at Gillingham in League Two. |
"But it will come into why he got the job" - Erik Ten Hag and Sir Alex Ferguson did not have amazing playing careers.......
If you are taking a purely mathematical view, then you are right, in general, managers probably fare worse if they don't the jobs (the numbers are against them). But the reality is, it is far more nuanced than that, and there are other factors that effect an outcome. Factors like, trajectory of club, feel good factor, relationship with CEO, relationship with board, connectedness within the club, ability to pick your own players, freedom on playing style, whether you are walking into a new team of personalities / players or not, how settled the family is, how much the fans want you, how the players feel about you. All these factors impact the outcome. So lets plug all that into Gav's TWTD algorithm and then see what the result is.
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:49 - May 28 with 1746 views | textbackup |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 08:23 - May 28 by Herbivore |
Players generally aren't massive fannies like some of our fans are, thankfully. |
Newsflash
Supporters have deep emotional tie to the club they support, where as players have contracts and get paid to do a job.
Really not a fan of some fans trying to belittle others if they react differently in certain situations.
The thought of losing the best manager that many have ever seen at their club will have created a number of emotions.
But you know, Fannie’s and all that |  |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:54 - May 28 with 1674 views | pointofblue |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:36 - May 28 by Europablue |
Vincent Kompany has less coaching experience although he's managed clubs for a little longer, but he hasn't won the LMA manager of the year award. You'd imagine that Kompany is being offered the job mostly based on a recommendation from Pep, because whilst he is a promising manager with one excellent season in the Championship, he has certainly not proven himself at the elite level. Rooney and Lampard probably had more impressive playing careers than Kompany. The playing careers are at best not an advantage in terms of ability. A coach who has not played at the highest level, but has coached at the highest level for years is more likely to be successful as a manager. Maybe the playing career gets the big-headed players onside. |
Lampard is a cautionary tale of taking the leap too soon. He was doing a decent job at Derby and, in fairness, did quite well at Chelsea when they were under an embargo. It all fell apart when they were able to spend again.
In truth, he probably should have stayed at Pride Park for a bit longer. | |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:56 - May 28 with 1637 views | Herbivore |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:49 - May 28 by textbackup |
Newsflash
Supporters have deep emotional tie to the club they support, where as players have contracts and get paid to do a job.
Really not a fan of some fans trying to belittle others if they react differently in certain situations.
The thought of losing the best manager that many have ever seen at their club will have created a number of emotions.
But you know, Fannie’s and all that |
You also lost your head back in February and said autos were done. It's possible to have a strong emotional connection to a football club AND not be a reactive fanny. |  |
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| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:57 - May 28 with 1626 views | Europablue |
| EADT silence making me twitchy on 12:25 - May 28 by victorysquad |
What is 'the norm'? If Maresca gets the Chelsea job, that is another manager who has got a top job due to their playing style. This is the 'new norm'. |
It sounds like another case of a fairly successful manager who has an association with Pep and is probably comfortable with just being a coach. | | | |
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