| Board divisiveness 09:47 - May 31 with 43994 views | PhilTWTD |
Getting more than a little fed up with the recent fractiousness on here. There seem to be two groups of posters some of whom's main interest in being on here is to have pops at the other. That then leads to someone reporting a post, PMing or emailing me about the other.
Not really sure what to do about it, does seem some posters have unhealthy obsession with others, which is causing the rest of us, especially me a problem. I could ban all those involved on both sides en masse, who I'm sure most other posters could name, but that seems a little draconian and no doubt none of them would feel they had any blame.
Any thoughts? A number of those regularly involved with up arrow this post and tell me I'm right to call this out, as happens every time I make a similar request for the bickering to stop.
This site is always going to be a broad church of people from different backgrounds, ages, genders and views, so not everyone is going to agree with everyone or see everything posted as in the same way and I think there needs to be a bit more tolerance.
But more than anything far less winding up and chipping away at other users, deliberate attempts at subverting other people's threads etc.
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| Board divisiveness on 10:25 - May 31 with 3350 views | Keno |
Firstly Phil, Gav, Mark and the hamster thank you for providing this wonderful community which at times does so much good but, as with any such community, tends to be affected by a small minority
Im not sure how easy this would be monitor but for my part as others have suggested a 2 or 3 stage warning system whereby a frequently offending poster is warned once to moderate their behaviour (notified by their avatar being made into a yellow square) if after a day or so that has no affect they are sent a final warning (with avatar going red) and if that doesn’t help then its a months ban
If you come back after a ban and related offend again then is a total ban |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 10:27 - May 31 with 3320 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know what's gone on recently to prompt this (yet another) 'Board divisiveness' thread, but I think we all know who the wind-up merchants are on here. I have 3 of them on ignore and they still occasionally post about me, apparently. I mean, what else am I supposed to do? Just ban the troublemakers, simple as. You regularly put these posts out and it doesn't do anything. |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 10:28 - May 31 with 3308 views | Trequartista |
I have a feeling there will be an improvement from today. |  |
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| Not sure there’s much you can do…. on 10:36 - May 31 with 3259 views | Bloots |
….really.
To some degree posters need to take it upon themselves to ignore the personal snipes. Since that formerly banned poster returned I’ve literally not replied to him or his cabal’s comments at all, despite the obvious intention of them. Eventually he just moved into someone else and started on them.
It’s difficult when they start involving your personal life and family though.
Thankfully he’s gone now, so hopefully it will calm down again.
I think arrow system can be divisive, I’ve got a poster so desperate to have a go at me that he even downvoted me when I linked a story about KM staying. Absolute madness.
Also, as you know, people cry to you about getting downvotes, so it creates extra work for you.
Maybe a daily limit? Or have uppies only? Might create a more positive atmosphere.
But generally people just need to act like adults and remember that we are in the Premier League. |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 10:40 - May 31 with 3206 views | victorywilhappen |
Public yellow cards. Two and a week off. Next offence a month off. Third..a year?
limit uppies and downies to 5 each way per day. I gave 30 uppies yesterday and it did make me feel i was giving so it does have a bonus..not sure the same buzz comes from doing a downie as they often seem a little spiteful and lacking in humour or care. |  | | |
| Not sure there’s much you can do…. on 10:43 - May 31 with 3188 views | PhilTWTD |
| Not sure there’s much you can do…. on 10:36 - May 31 by Bloots |
….really.
To some degree posters need to take it upon themselves to ignore the personal snipes. Since that formerly banned poster returned I’ve literally not replied to him or his cabal’s comments at all, despite the obvious intention of them. Eventually he just moved into someone else and started on them.
It’s difficult when they start involving your personal life and family though.
Thankfully he’s gone now, so hopefully it will calm down again.
I think arrow system can be divisive, I’ve got a poster so desperate to have a go at me that he even downvoted me when I linked a story about KM staying. Absolute madness.
Also, as you know, people cry to you about getting downvotes, so it creates extra work for you.
Maybe a daily limit? Or have uppies only? Might create a more positive atmosphere.
But generally people just need to act like adults and remember that we are in the Premier League. |
This suggestion there are organised cabals out to cause mischief I get from both 'sides', so to speak, which is unhelpful in as much as it becomes self-fulfilling.
Pointlessly downvoting everything one poster posts - or trying to subvert their threads - is a pain. And I have recently spoken to certain users about it. As you say, posters need to behave like adults. I really shouldn't have to intervene all the time and be dealing with emails and PMs at midnight to deal with personal spats.
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| Board divisiveness on 10:43 - May 31 with 3174 views | giant_stow |
| Board divisiveness on 10:20 - May 31 by lowhouseblue |
i don't think it's always the big stuff that's the problem. people disagree, they post increasingly vitriolic and opinionated stuff at each other, the a thread descends into chaos. just about everyone does it now and again (i suspect you are genuinely the exception). but on those threads it's all for show, if you don't want to be involved then move on. the stuff that does more harm is the posters who just go from thread to thread goading and sniping and baiting - it's all petty, but they target the same posters all the time. none of it is big by itself but it's pretty relentless. |
Re the brackets, that's kind, but my hands aren't clean (hi darth, if you're reading). |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 10:45 - May 31 with 3157 views | Herbivore |
| Board divisiveness on 10:43 - May 31 by giant_stow |
Re the brackets, that's kind, but my hands aren't clean (hi darth, if you're reading). |
As a Nodge fan your presence is, by definition, divisive. |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 10:48 - May 31 with 3138 views | PhilTWTD |
Can I also point out that this has been the busiest month on the Forum we've ever had. | | | |
| Board divisiveness on 10:49 - May 31 with 3112 views | giant_stow |
| Board divisiveness on 10:48 - May 31 by PhilTWTD |
Can I also point out that this has been the busiest month on the Forum we've ever had. |
Congrats & commiserations! | |
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| Board divisiveness on 10:51 - May 31 with 3094 views | NedPlimpton |
Name and shame?
Calling people out publicly might make them realise they're being a bit of a muppet.
Or it could cause even more arguments. Who knows?? |  | | |
| Board divisiveness on 10:51 - May 31 with 3087 views | Churchman |
Firstly, I second Keno’s thanks to you and all that administer the site. My thoughts for consideration and dismissal are:
Have the T&Cs on a sticky at the top of the forum. They are in the site but in a place that will be ignored. Add to them along the lines of:
- Post as if you were talking face to face. Be polite. Disagreement, discussion, debate, views are welcomed. Rudeness, abuse, harassment, point scoring, putting people down and bullying is not.
- Ignore the basics and you will be warned. It may be you made a mistake or misconstrued what is acceptable and what is not. Second offence a two week ban to think on it. Third offence, permanent ban.
- In the event perceived abuse or discussion getting out of hand, the thread will be pulled immediately and the perpetrators warned as in the above.
- Decisions are at the sole discretion of the administrators. While the forum is a democracy of views, its administration and decisions are most certainly not.
While I like Stow’s idea of a ranting room to enable discussions to blow themselves out I can see problems with that, aside from the administrative burden.
Stuff getting out of hand is generally on non-football topics. I’d hate to freeze that because it’d diminish the forum and a lot of the posts on there are a force for good and interesting. However doing so for a period during say a General Election has to be an option, sadly.
Just a few thoughts. |  | | |
| Board divisiveness on 10:53 - May 31 with 3067 views | Whos_blue |
| Board divisiveness on 10:03 - May 31 by DJR |
Stopping the non-football threads, especially at the time of an election, would be a shame.
The "A broad church" thread, for example, has been a good and constructive one, with no rancour. [Post edited 31 May 2024 10:03]
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Yep. Agree with this.
I find many of the general threads a great source of debate and in the main, well managed.
However, some threads decend very quickly into nonsense. It's these that I'm guessing are the most problem.
Whilst it will be more work for Phil, I think a totting up system may work.
Maybe a warning first, then a two day cool off (the phrase "ban" is inflamatory and will only be used as a stick in further squabbles), week, month etc.
Might be unworkable and I guess it comes down to what the parameters are.
Overall, it is only down to a small number of posters. Over time it becomes a learnt skill to recognise when a thread is going south and to know when to back away.
I think the main protaganists could take a little more responsibilty sometimes too. |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 10:56 - May 31 with 3035 views | hype313 |
| Board divisiveness on 10:48 - May 31 by PhilTWTD |
Can I also point out that this has been the busiest month on the Forum we've ever had. |
New 24 plate Audi on it's way then Phil? |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 10:56 - May 31 with 3030 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Board divisiveness on 10:20 - May 31 by lowhouseblue |
i don't think it's always the big stuff that's the problem. people disagree, they post increasingly vitriolic and opinionated stuff at each other, the a thread descends into chaos. just about everyone does it now and again (i suspect you are genuinely the exception). but on those threads it's all for show, if you don't want to be involved then move on. the stuff that does more harm is the posters who just go from thread to thread goading and sniping and baiting - it's all petty, but they target the same posters all the time. none of it is big by itself but it's pretty relentless. |
Disagreements are fine. There are a few posters who swing the other to me politically on here who I have had robust debates with but never fallen out. Where the line has be be drawn is the personal abuse and trawling of social media accounts.
The person who was banned last night has a history of going though my twitter and Facebook account then making derogatory comments about my appearance or employment. Some of them libellous. I happened again last night. Add to that the constant snide remarks about my family members. Dubtractor may recall pulling him up for this in the past when he started posting about my daughters. I started to screen shot this abuse some time ago and looking back at it it’s obsessive and vile . I’ve had to lock my social media accounts which I shouldn’t have to.
Since his return I haven’t down arrowed or replied to a single one of his posts yet he continued to chip away at me from day one which culminated in last night’s personal attack.
I would imagine that the board will be a much more harmonious place in his absence and you won’t need to start another thread like this Phil. |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 10:59 - May 31 with 2984 views | Herbivore |
| Board divisiveness on 10:56 - May 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Disagreements are fine. There are a few posters who swing the other to me politically on here who I have had robust debates with but never fallen out. Where the line has be be drawn is the personal abuse and trawling of social media accounts.
The person who was banned last night has a history of going though my twitter and Facebook account then making derogatory comments about my appearance or employment. Some of them libellous. I happened again last night. Add to that the constant snide remarks about my family members. Dubtractor may recall pulling him up for this in the past when he started posting about my daughters. I started to screen shot this abuse some time ago and looking back at it it’s obsessive and vile . I’ve had to lock my social media accounts which I shouldn’t have to.
Since his return I haven’t down arrowed or replied to a single one of his posts yet he continued to chip away at me from day one which culminated in last night’s personal attack.
I would imagine that the board will be a much more harmonious place in his absence and you won’t need to start another thread like this Phil. |
Think you've handled yourself with pure dignity in this instance, Glassers. | |
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| Board divisiveness on 11:01 - May 31 with 2975 views | Parky |
Revert it back to a football forum, no need to discuss politics etc on a forum specifically created because of football.
Yes there is a football category and general, but it doesn’t stop people and their agendas crossing over.
Some people on here never input anything to do with football, which I struggle to understand why they’re here. |  | | |
| Board divisiveness on 11:08 - May 31 with 2909 views | victorywilhappen |
| Board divisiveness on 11:01 - May 31 by Parky |
Revert it back to a football forum, no need to discuss politics etc on a forum specifically created because of football.
Yes there is a football category and general, but it doesn’t stop people and their agendas crossing over.
Some people on here never input anything to do with football, which I struggle to understand why they’re here. |
For many of us football, politics, community, values and culture are still like in days of old, being joined and interconnected. The new Ipswich Town embraces much of this | | | |
| Board divisiveness on 11:10 - May 31 with 2878 views | PhilTWTD |
| Board divisiveness on 10:56 - May 31 by hype313 |
New 24 plate Audi on it's way then Phil? |
Not done quite that well, unfortunately. | | | |
| Board divisiveness on 11:11 - May 31 with 2872 views | Parky |
| Board divisiveness on 11:08 - May 31 by victorywilhappen |
For many of us football, politics, community, values and culture are still like in days of old, being joined and interconnected. The new Ipswich Town embraces much of this |
Just my opinion, but I’ve never understood why anyone would be on a football forum discussing politics, it literally only ever ends in disagreements and spats. | | | |
| Board divisiveness on 11:11 - May 31 with 2877 views | PhilTWTD |
| Board divisiveness on 11:01 - May 31 by Parky |
Revert it back to a football forum, no need to discuss politics etc on a forum specifically created because of football.
Yes there is a football category and general, but it doesn’t stop people and their agendas crossing over.
Some people on here never input anything to do with football, which I struggle to understand why they’re here. |
I feel the same about the latter. There are posters I notice who never contribute anything to football debates. It's always been a forum for Town supporters rather than one exclusively about Town, that's just how it developed in the early days. The politics side of things only really crept in 10 years or so ago, if I remember rightly. | | | |
| Board divisiveness on 11:15 - May 31 with 2831 views | WeWereZombies |
| Board divisiveness on 10:45 - May 31 by Herbivore |
As a Nodge fan your presence is, by definition, divisive. |
This may not be the thread to disagree with another poster but I find Stow's posts more of a reality check than divisive, ditto Yoda. Yellowrider not so much so. It's a shame there cannot be much constructive criticism of each other's teams but understandable given their ridiculous colour scheme...beyond that our differences on football can blind us to more general matters where conversation on the social side of life could be to our mutual advantage. |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 11:16 - May 31 with 2830 views | tonybied |
| Board divisiveness on 10:48 - May 31 by PhilTWTD |
Can I also point out that this has been the busiest month on the Forum we've ever had. |
If we establish ourselves in the Prem then this site will only get bigger. The Premier League is a much bigger worldwide brand now than the last time we were here. This in itself will probably bring more divisive people into the forum.
Perhaps it's time to consider "employing" some moderators to remove the load from yourself? This team could also form a kind of jury if a user is being put on the naughty step or even being considered for a full-time ban. |  | | |
| Board divisiveness on 11:18 - May 31 with 2797 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Board divisiveness on 10:40 - May 31 by victorywilhappen |
Public yellow cards. Two and a week off. Next offence a month off. Third..a year?
limit uppies and downies to 5 each way per day. I gave 30 uppies yesterday and it did make me feel i was giving so it does have a bonus..not sure the same buzz comes from doing a downie as they often seem a little spiteful and lacking in humour or care. |
The only problem with visible yellow cards is it would be seen as an invite to get them banned. |  |
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| Board divisiveness on 11:31 - May 31 with 2718 views | bazza |
| Board divisiveness on 11:16 - May 31 by tonybied |
If we establish ourselves in the Prem then this site will only get bigger. The Premier League is a much bigger worldwide brand now than the last time we were here. This in itself will probably bring more divisive people into the forum.
Perhaps it's time to consider "employing" some moderators to remove the load from yourself? This team could also form a kind of jury if a user is being put on the naughty step or even being considered for a full-time ban. |
Grown men on the internet discussing having to bring in yellow cards and naughty steps. Sounds like it’s time to employ super nanny!! |  | | |
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