| Reform UK 13:01 - Jun 18 with 15513 views | Radlett_blue |
There won't be much love for them or Farage on here, but all I am suggesting is that you read their manifesto, if you haven't already done so.
I won't be voting for them, but if you read the manifesto, you might realise why around 17% of the electorate want to do so as some of their points will make sense to them. |  |
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| Reform UK on 11:11 - Jun 19 with 3340 views | Zapers |
| Reform UK on 10:47 - Jun 19 by noggin |
How does someone from Afghanistan or Iraq, for example, go about getting a visa for the UK? |
I'm not an immigration officer, my work is more specialised, sorry. |  | | |
| Reform UK on 11:14 - Jun 19 with 3328 views | tcblue |
Irrespective of their manifesto (and even the practicality of implementing it), why do people think Nige would be any more interested in working as an MP (let alone PM!) than he was an MEP? | | | |
| Reform UK on 11:26 - Jun 19 with 3298 views | BarcaBlue |
| Reform UK on 10:33 - Jun 19 by Zapers |
No irony.
I live in Thailand as a guest of the Thai government, with visas for my family.
Prior to this I lived in Monaco as a guest of the monegasque government, with residency permit.
Prior to this I lived in Los Angeles as a guest of the US government, with a visa.
Prior to this I lived in Switzerland as a guest of the government, with a permit.
Even the most challenged on here might see a pattern emerging . |
Spain has immigration levels similar to the UK I believe. The only time it's mentioned here is by the far right Vox Francoist apologists and sun-baked union jack waving immigrants on the costas. Have you conidered Spain as your next stop? |  | | |
| Reform UK on 11:35 - Jun 19 with 3246 views | GeoffSentence |
| Reform UK on 15:18 - Jun 18 by Blueschev |
We abolished slavery before the Americans, I think that the world is truly ungrateful for this heroic act of kindness. Other countries did bad things in history but we don't teach our children any of that do we? Just how terrible we are on every level. I doubt my kids are even aware that before the British Empire, they didn't have trains in India. |
On the point of abolishing slavery, it was achieved by taking out a massive loan to pay the slave traders for their emancipated slaves. That loan was finally paid off in 2015. Which means that I and my children were paying slave owners to release their slaves. |  |
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| Reform UK on 11:41 - Jun 19 with 3224 views | wkj |
| Reform UK on 11:26 - Jun 19 by BarcaBlue |
Spain has immigration levels similar to the UK I believe. The only time it's mentioned here is by the far right Vox Francoist apologists and sun-baked union jack waving immigrants on the costas. Have you conidered Spain as your next stop? |
This does bring me hope that I could retire early and become a neckbeard sex tourist - my ultimate dream |  |
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| Reform UK on 11:52 - Jun 19 with 3181 views | leitrimblue |
| Reform UK on 11:41 - Jun 19 by wkj |
This does bring me hope that I could retire early and become a neckbeard sex tourist - my ultimate dream |
That's the kinda dream you don't achieve without a lotta hard work and dedication.
I guess you could start by growing a healthy neck beard and practicing some light sexual deviance |  | | |
| Reform UK on 12:28 - Jun 19 with 3117 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Reform UK on 10:33 - Jun 19 by Zapers |
No irony.
I live in Thailand as a guest of the Thai government, with visas for my family.
Prior to this I lived in Monaco as a guest of the monegasque government, with residency permit.
Prior to this I lived in Los Angeles as a guest of the US government, with a visa.
Prior to this I lived in Switzerland as a guest of the government, with a permit.
Even the most challenged on here might see a pattern emerging . |
So you are fortunate enough to have never needed to seek asylum? |  |
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| Reform UK on 12:32 - Jun 19 with 3102 views | wkj |
| Reform UK on 11:52 - Jun 19 by leitrimblue |
That's the kinda dream you don't achieve without a lotta hard work and dedication.
I guess you could start by growing a healthy neck beard and practicing some light sexual deviance |
I have a collection of Countdown (Whitely and Vorderman years) recorded on VHS cassette... I am ready for the light deviant conundrums. | |
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| Reform UK on 12:38 - Jun 19 with 3084 views | noggin |
| Reform UK on 12:28 - Jun 19 by Tangledupin_Blue |
So you are fortunate enough to have never needed to seek asylum? |
He clearly believes everyone has the same opportunities in life. |  |
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| Reform UK on 12:45 - Jun 19 with 3066 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform UK on 12:38 - Jun 19 by noggin |
He clearly believes everyone has the same opportunities in life. |
It's worse than that isn't it?
He would like to take away the chance of people having similar opportunities to what he had.
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| Reform UK on 12:47 - Jun 19 with 3057 views | wkj |
| Reform UK on 12:45 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
It's worse than that isn't it?
He would like to take away the chance of people having similar opportunities to what he had.
SB [Post edited 19 Jun 2024 13:05]
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| Reform UK on 13:12 - Jun 19 with 2972 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform UK on 10:33 - Jun 19 by Zapers |
No irony.
I live in Thailand as a guest of the Thai government, with visas for my family.
Prior to this I lived in Monaco as a guest of the monegasque government, with residency permit.
Prior to this I lived in Los Angeles as a guest of the US government, with a visa.
Prior to this I lived in Switzerland as a guest of the government, with a permit.
Even the most challenged on here might see a pattern emerging . |
Wow, just wow. There certainly is a pattern emerging. It's amazing how often those who complain about immigration often turn out to be immigrants themselves, but see themselves as exceptional (as Stokie says, Reform's position isn't just about people seeking asylum or illegal immigrants; they want to stop people like you moving). |  |
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| Reform UK on 13:25 - Jun 19 with 2938 views | Blueschev |
| Reform UK on 10:33 - Jun 19 by Zapers |
No irony.
I live in Thailand as a guest of the Thai government, with visas for my family.
Prior to this I lived in Monaco as a guest of the monegasque government, with residency permit.
Prior to this I lived in Los Angeles as a guest of the US government, with a visa.
Prior to this I lived in Switzerland as a guest of the government, with a permit.
Even the most challenged on here might see a pattern emerging . |
You've burdened all of those countries with your dependents?? Farage would be outraged! |  | | |
| Reform UK on 15:48 - Jun 19 with 2836 views | BlueBadger |
| Reform UK on 10:33 - Jun 19 by Zapers |
No irony.
I live in Thailand as a guest of the Thai government, with visas for my family.
Prior to this I lived in Monaco as a guest of the monegasque government, with residency permit.
Prior to this I lived in Los Angeles as a guest of the US government, with a visa.
Prior to this I lived in Switzerland as a guest of the government, with a permit.
Even the most challenged on here might see a pattern emerging . |
Interesting to see that one of our noted anti-bullying activists is throwing their lot in with a bunch of bigots, crooks and Putin lickers. |  |
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| Reform UK on 16:24 - Jun 19 with 2783 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform UK on 06:15 - Jun 19 by Zapers |
Where does a Rumanian come from;) |
Let me guess ... is the answer not the UK? You really seem to have caught me out here. Maybe there is no hypocrisy in hating foreign immigrants and then marrying them twice! Or are some foreigner less to be hated than others like are his wives ex-pat immigrants rather than nasty ones? |  |
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| Reform UK on 21:02 - Jun 19 with 2654 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Reform UK on 09:07 - Jun 19 by NedPlimpton |
"I'll bloody prove it"
You haven't proved anything. You've done exactly what Reform expect the rest of their voters to have done which is zero research on the subject whatsoever |
Oh really?
What research can you offer then to say we are not struggling to house people entering in boats?
We actually do have a housing crisis and we actually do have a completely broken health system from top to bottom.
Nearly 1000 arrived in boats today.
Can you please supply your thesis on this situation. |  |
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| Reform UK on 21:14 - Jun 19 with 2627 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform UK on 21:02 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Oh really?
What research can you offer then to say we are not struggling to house people entering in boats?
We actually do have a housing crisis and we actually do have a completely broken health system from top to bottom.
Nearly 1000 arrived in boats today.
Can you please supply your thesis on this situation. |
With 800 arriving yesterday too, it is almost like this Government has allowed the problem to persist knowing they can claim to be the only party that will deal with it. "We have a plan." One wonders why it has taken 14 years to come up with it and how big a turnip is involved!
Anyone who is falling for the assylum seekers' demonisation rhetoric might like to watch this: https://news.sky.com/video/migration-rise-what-do-the-numbers-tell-us-13014552 | |
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| Reform UK on 21:17 - Jun 19 with 2613 views | Herbivore |
| Reform UK on 21:02 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Oh really?
What research can you offer then to say we are not struggling to house people entering in boats?
We actually do have a housing crisis and we actually do have a completely broken health system from top to bottom.
Nearly 1000 arrived in boats today.
Can you please supply your thesis on this situation. |
People arriving in boats aren't put in social or privately rented accommodation so they don't contribute to the housing crisis. That's caused by years and years of not building enough homes, particularly not building anywhere near enough social or affordable housing. Asylum applicants wouldn't even need temporary accommodation for very long if we actually processed their claims in a timely way, they'd either be deported or would start contributing to the economy. Most asylum seekers are of working age and relatively healthy, they aren't the main cause of strain on the NHS. That's years of Tory underfunding and an ageing population, which migrant workers are helping to subsidise for the most part. |  |
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| Reform UK on 21:24 - Jun 19 with 2594 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform UK on 21:02 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Oh really?
What research can you offer then to say we are not struggling to house people entering in boats?
We actually do have a housing crisis and we actually do have a completely broken health system from top to bottom.
Nearly 1000 arrived in boats today.
Can you please supply your thesis on this situation. |
Slightly misleading given that 1000 is the equivalent of about a month usually:
Table in this website:
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/channel-crossings-tracker
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| Reform UK on 21:25 - Jun 19 with 2591 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Reform UK on 21:17 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
People arriving in boats aren't put in social or privately rented accommodation so they don't contribute to the housing crisis. That's caused by years and years of not building enough homes, particularly not building anywhere near enough social or affordable housing. Asylum applicants wouldn't even need temporary accommodation for very long if we actually processed their claims in a timely way, they'd either be deported or would start contributing to the economy. Most asylum seekers are of working age and relatively healthy, they aren't the main cause of strain on the NHS. That's years of Tory underfunding and an ageing population, which migrant workers are helping to subsidise for the most part. |
There isn’t much point in me replying to your argument as we will just go round in circles and it will be a complete waste of both our lives.
I’m pretty sure we both have better things to do. | |
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| Reform UK on 21:31 - Jun 19 with 2559 views | Herbivore |
| Reform UK on 21:25 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
There isn’t much point in me replying to your argument as we will just go round in circles and it will be a complete waste of both our lives.
I’m pretty sure we both have better things to do. |
That's a cop out. | |
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| Reform UK on 21:36 - Jun 19 with 2537 views | NedPlimpton |
| Reform UK on 21:02 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Oh really?
What research can you offer then to say we are not struggling to house people entering in boats?
We actually do have a housing crisis and we actually do have a completely broken health system from top to bottom.
Nearly 1000 arrived in boats today.
Can you please supply your thesis on this situation. |
Your original statement was that immigration was out of control and the proof was that there are asylum seekers in hotels and military bases
We have fewer asylum claims now than we did in the late 90s. So I would probably start with looking at what has changed since then
The privatisation of asylum claimant housing
The processing rate of the home office
The government etc etc
Lots to sink your teeth into if you have the time and inclination rather than just saying that you've proved it! [Post edited 19 Jun 2024 21:42]
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| Reform UK on 21:45 - Jun 19 with 2507 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Reform UK on 21:31 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
That's a cop out. |
Bullsh1t.
I’ve got better things to do than go round in a circle, I’ve also got better things to do than be on here all blooming night.
Tell you what, I understand you’re back in Norwich. I’m in Norwich next week, we can go and chew the fat over a few pints. I’ll happily buy you beer.
Cop out?? [Post edited 19 Jun 2024 22:06]
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| Reform UK on 21:51 - Jun 19 with 2490 views | Herbivore |
| Reform UK on 21:45 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Bullsh1t.
I’ve got better things to do than go round in a circle, I’ve also got better things to do than be on here all blooming night.
Tell you what, I understand you’re back in Norwich. I’m in Norwich next week, we can go and chew the fat over a few pints. I’ll happily buy you beer.
Cop out?? [Post edited 19 Jun 2024 22:06]
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Yeah, it's a cop out. It would have taken you less time to put a counter argument together than it took you to type that response. | |
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| Reform UK on 08:37 - Jun 20 with 1316 views | Radlett_blue |
| Reform UK on 21:17 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
People arriving in boats aren't put in social or privately rented accommodation so they don't contribute to the housing crisis. That's caused by years and years of not building enough homes, particularly not building anywhere near enough social or affordable housing. Asylum applicants wouldn't even need temporary accommodation for very long if we actually processed their claims in a timely way, they'd either be deported or would start contributing to the economy. Most asylum seekers are of working age and relatively healthy, they aren't the main cause of strain on the NHS. That's years of Tory underfunding and an ageing population, which migrant workers are helping to subsidise for the most part. |
Generally, you make very good points. Yes, speeding up asylum claims would make sense for everyone - Starmer says he's going to do this but the devil is in the detail. Part of the problem isn't just the volume of asylum claims, but how they now take so long, probably thanks to taxpayer funded human rights lawyers. IMO, seeking asylum isn't an inalienable human right, while UK rejects way fewer claims (around 25%) than other European countries. | |
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