| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. 17:46 - Jul 18 with 14902 views | Mercian |
So they jail five environment protestors for 4 and 5 years for a protest that disrupted motorway traffic. Rapists, violent muggers and those who commit GBH with intent get shorter sentences. Way to go.
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:49 - Jul 18 with 6442 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s disgusting. Hopefully Labour will roll back some of the draconian laws introduced by the Tories clamping down on peaceful protestors. We never know when one day it may be us wanting to protest. Yeah, treating people who cause disruption worst than rapists sucks. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:50 - Jul 18 with 6422 views | Pinewoodblue |
The courts are independent of government and deal with each case appropriately |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:54 - Jul 18 with 6406 views | Mercian |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:49 - Jul 18 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s disgusting. Hopefully Labour will roll back some of the draconian laws introduced by the Tories clamping down on peaceful protestors. We never know when one day it may be us wanting to protest. Yeah, treating people who cause disruption worst than rapists sucks. |
The juridically is part of The Government. Not the executive and semi independent but they do what the executive allows them to do.. I am not saying they should not have been punished. Protesting on a motorway is both illegal and highly dangerous. Had they got a 1 year suspended sentence I would not have bat an eyelid. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 17:54]
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:54 - Jul 18 with 6395 views | BlueBadger |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:49 - Jul 18 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s disgusting. Hopefully Labour will roll back some of the draconian laws introduced by the Tories clamping down on peaceful protestors. We never know when one day it may be us wanting to protest. Yeah, treating people who cause disruption worst than rapists sucks. |
Yes, but some people were late for a meeting. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:55 - Jul 18 with 6385 views | NthQldITFC |
Obviously it's not the government, or at least not this one, but Starmer needs to get that horrific, political-police state law off the statute books sharpish.
To be locked up for a day for desperately protesting about the suicidal trajectory of human affairs is a fkn obscenity. A really insane perversion of any form of justice. But for 5 years...! |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:59 - Jul 18 with 6357 views | factual_blue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:54 - Jul 18 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but some people were late for a meeting. |
Being late for a meeting is a power signal. Protesting that you're going to be late for a meeting shows you to be an unimportant underling. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:03 - Jul 18 with 6342 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:54 - Jul 18 by Mercian |
The juridically is part of The Government. Not the executive and semi independent but they do what the executive allows them to do.. I am not saying they should not have been punished. Protesting on a motorway is both illegal and highly dangerous. Had they got a 1 year suspended sentence I would not have bat an eyelid. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 17:54]
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I've no idea how sentencing works, but presumably there are guidelines that have to be set to provide consistency. Cases can't operate on a case-by-case basis involving the government in each one, surely? Maybe they can, but that would be incredibly inefficient.
Not that it really matters. Morally this seems wrong, however we've got to this point. | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:06 - Jul 18 with 6331 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:54 - Jul 18 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but some people were late for a meeting. |
If we're locking people up for 5 years for causing a traffic jam, there'll be a few people in National Highways getting a bit nervous! I'd give them 1 month inside for each cone they put out where there are no active roadworks  | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:13 - Jul 18 with 6313 views | gtsb1966 |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:54 - Jul 18 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but some people were late for a meeting. |
Yes some people missed hospital appointments and operations and there was even a case where a man missed his own father's funeral. That doesn't matter though does it. |  | | |
| Not to the "BanterBoyz" apparently. (n/t) on 18:32 - Jul 18 with 6250 views | Bloots |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:13 - Jul 18 by gtsb1966 |
Yes some people missed hospital appointments and operations and there was even a case where a man missed his own father's funeral. That doesn't matter though does it. |
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| "He's been a really positive influence on my life, I think he's a great man" - TWTD User (May 2025) |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:33 - Jul 18 with 6248 views | EdwardStone |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:49 - Jul 18 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s disgusting. Hopefully Labour will roll back some of the draconian laws introduced by the Tories clamping down on peaceful protestors. We never know when one day it may be us wanting to protest. Yeah, treating people who cause disruption worst than rapists sucks. |
* Cough Cough IPP Cough Cough *
Blunkett/ Blair's ultra draconian legislation that is killing people to this day
If you are looking to Labour to provide humanity and reason, I suggest you might be disappointed
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/series/the-ipp-scandal |  | | |
| Not to the "BanterBoyz" apparently. (n/t) on 18:39 - Jul 18 with 6221 views | DanTheMan |
| Not to the "BanterBoyz" apparently. (n/t) on 18:32 - Jul 18 by Bloots |
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Has anyone said it doesn't matter or have they just criticised the length of the sentences?
They seem harsh to me compared to violent crimes. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:44 - Jul 18 with 6187 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:33 - Jul 18 by EdwardStone |
* Cough Cough IPP Cough Cough *
Blunkett/ Blair's ultra draconian legislation that is killing people to this day
If you are looking to Labour to provide humanity and reason, I suggest you might be disappointed
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/series/the-ipp-scandal |
Interesting link, thanks. Will have a read while me spuds are cooking (not a euphemism). | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:46 - Jul 18 with 6175 views | Mercian |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:33 - Jul 18 by EdwardStone |
* Cough Cough IPP Cough Cough *
Blunkett/ Blair's ultra draconian legislation that is killing people to this day
If you are looking to Labour to provide humanity and reason, I suggest you might be disappointed
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/series/the-ipp-scandal |
Whataboutism. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 18:47]
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| The inference was that.... on 18:47 - Jul 18 with 6162 views | Bloots |
| Not to the "BanterBoyz" apparently. (n/t) on 18:39 - Jul 18 by DanTheMan |
Has anyone said it doesn't matter or have they just criticised the length of the sentences?
They seem harsh to me compared to violent crimes. |
...the only issue caused by these people was that "some people were late for meetings".
That plainly wasn't the case.
I was commenting on that, not the length of sentence.
Cheers. | |
| "He's been a really positive influence on my life, I think he's a great man" - TWTD User (May 2025) |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:47 - Jul 18 with 6160 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:13 - Jul 18 by gtsb1966 |
Yes some people missed hospital appointments and operations and there was even a case where a man missed his own father's funeral. That doesn't matter though does it. |
Don’t worry, there are already plenty of extra funerals due to the impacts of climate change and that’s projected to increase considerably.
That’s a flippant response, but individual cases however unsettling are absolutely nothing compared to what’s coming down the tracks if we don’t get serious about tackling this largest problem facing humankind. | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:49 - Jul 18 with 6155 views | GeoffSentence |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:13 - Jul 18 by gtsb1966 |
Yes some people missed hospital appointments and operations and there was even a case where a man missed his own father's funeral. That doesn't matter though does it. |
Anyone who is seriously concerned by those sort of inconveniences would back radical action to get traffic off the roads as heavy traffic does the same day in day out. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:50 - Jul 18 with 6151 views | WeWereZombies |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:33 - Jul 18 by EdwardStone |
* Cough Cough IPP Cough Cough *
Blunkett/ Blair's ultra draconian legislation that is killing people to this day
If you are looking to Labour to provide humanity and reason, I suggest you might be disappointed
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/series/the-ipp-scandal |
That link is frightening, I read the story of Martin Myers who got a minimum term for threatening someone who wouldn't give him a cigarette in 2002 but then got caught up in the IPP and false information storm and is now back inside. Almost unbelievable. |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:52 - Jul 18 with 6130 views | MattinLondon |
The trouble being that this country seems almost addicted to punishment with rehabilitation or non-custodial sentences being viewed as soft - which is daft.
I was listening to the radio and a chap called in to say that he was sentenced to eighteen months imprisonment for mortgage fraud. I know that there is probably no victimless crime but that just seemed ridiculous. If the caller was telling the truth, then he owned his own business (which due to his sentencing closed down making a few people redundant).
He mentioned that his punishment would have been more beneficial to society if instead of prison he had to act as a mentor to young or new entrepreneurs as well as to recently released prisoners wishing to be self-employed.
This country needs to change direction on how we prevent people from a life of crime and how they can be reintegrated back into society. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 18:59]
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:07 - Jul 18 with 5999 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:50 - Jul 18 by WeWereZombies |
That link is frightening, I read the story of Martin Myers who got a minimum term for threatening someone who wouldn't give him a cigarette in 2002 but then got caught up in the IPP and false information storm and is now back inside. Almost unbelievable. |
Awful isn’t it. I’ve just read through a few of the linked articles and it beggars belief that (a) it was set up like that in the first place, and (b) that prisoners on those sentences were just left, even after IPPs were ruled a breach of human rights and scrapped.
You’d think (hope?) the justice system is something Starmer has a deep understanding of and is well placed to sort out. Presumably that’s why they’re starting with it as their main mission. Something’s got to happen with these poor sods. The film and media coverage will hopefully speed things up, much like for the PO scandal (but it shouldn’t need that). | |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:09 - Jul 18 with 5981 views | EdwardStone |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 18:46 - Jul 18 by Mercian |
Whataboutism. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 18:47]
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It isn't
It really isn't | | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:24 - Jul 18 with 5920 views | Parky |
Good job, finally treating knóbheads the same as they do football fans by making an example of them. |  | | |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:26 - Jul 18 with 5900 views | SitfcB |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:24 - Jul 18 by Parky |
Good job, finally treating knóbheads the same as they do football fans by making an example of them. |
Yep, hopefully it’ll deter the smelly hippies from doing it! |  |
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| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 19:33 - Jul 18 with 5855 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The government want to stop prison overcrowding. on 17:54 - Jul 18 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but some people were late for a meeting. |
and funerals
and operations
and cancer appointments |  |
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| The inference was that.... on 19:34 - Jul 18 with 5846 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The inference was that.... on 18:47 - Jul 18 by Bloots |
...the only issue caused by these people was that "some people were late for meetings".
That plainly wasn't the case.
I was commenting on that, not the length of sentence.
Cheers. |
Michel Forst, the UN’s special rapporteur on environmental defenders, who attended part of the trial, issued a statement at its conclusion.
“Today is a dark day for peaceful environmental protest” in the UK, he said. “This sentence should shock the conscience of any member of the public. It should also put all of us on high alert on the state of civic rights and freedoms in the United Kingdom. |  |
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