| Not a serious country 13:05 - Sep 6 with 6826 views | itfcjoe |
Had my weekly email from EADT, and top story is about plans for a quarry being overturned in Bentley
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/24551230.bentley-quarry-off-a12-suffolk-quashed-lega
Then driving back through Little Bromley and it's full of signs objecting to a new sub station, with signs like 'SAVE TENDRING', 'SAVE FRINTON' and 'SAVE CLACTON' and you just think save Clacton from what? Having more jobs on it's doorstep opposed to farmland in a village a few miles away from it.
Labour has plans to build masses of houses, but everyone objects to everything everywhere - people moan about lack of housing but don't want any built near them, people moan about lack of infrastructure but improvements are rejected by local residences.
Nothing can get done, the country is just in a form of stasis - no one willing to concede anything, the courts used to frustrate things for so long that by the time things are done they aren't fit fur purpose any more.
I wouldn't suggest we go like China, where peoples homes are bulldozed and they are told to get out - but what can be done about all the NIMBYism we have? |  |
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| Not a serious country on 14:25 - Sep 6 with 1922 views | itfcjoe |
| Not a serious country on 14:04 - Sep 6 by Lord_Lucan |
Being our resident construction tycoon you will know best, but........
.....Some bloke on the radio the other day said there were only 40,000 brickies in the UK, and if this is the case, who is going to build one million homes? |
A good chance for a workforce plan to upskill a generation of people to be able to both build new stock and update existing housing stock whilst then having people there in a position to maintain both residential and commercial property going forwards.
These are the sort of things Brexit should have been used for, major skills and workforce programmes - but the drivers of it just want Singapore on Thames | |
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| Not a serious country on 14:27 - Sep 6 with 1898 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not a serious country on 13:32 - Sep 6 by Sarge |
As a NIMBY, or more accurately a KIMBY as I’m trying to keep something, who is fighting to keep our local train station in our village rather than have it relocated 3 miles away for the sole benefit of a new housing development, my experience so far has been it doesn’t matter that there is wholesale rejection/opposition of the plans, no business case, and no desire on the part of the developer to actually deliver it as they’re going to do it anyway.
I’m quite grateful that avenues for opposition exist and I intend to use every single one of them until the council give up and stop spending our money on stripping our own assets.
In Cambridge it seems like every plan they come up with is designed purely to deprive the people of something they once had and chuck some more stuff over to the university until they’ve finally managed to drive everyone that doesn’t work there out. |
I thought the compromise was now two Waterbeach stations? Or has that been knocked on the head?
They need to do something, as the current station isn't fit for purpose given the number of houses/apartments and monstrosity they are building on the old barracks.
And they still seem to be forgetting about the A10 |  | | |
| Not a serious country on 14:31 - Sep 6 with 1862 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not a serious country on 13:55 - Sep 6 by Kievthegreat |
That isn't an argument for objecting developments, but support for fixing planning requirements/regulations
- Realistic assumptions on required parking
- Banning on-street parking on narrow roads or mandating sufficient sized roads for developments
- Proper public transport planning or cycling infrastructure to reduce number of cars (again with realistic assumptions) |
The planning application should make the 'bonds' the large developers have to put down be much more strict (and larger)
Take the full cost of those public services up front from the developer and put it into a fund to be released only as they are built.
Too often they build the houses, then reapply for permission to squeeze a few more on and then drag their heels for years to build any infrastructure. | | | |
| Not a serious country on 14:41 - Sep 6 with 1810 views | Bent_double |
| Not a serious country on 14:31 - Sep 6 by ElderGrizzly |
The planning application should make the 'bonds' the large developers have to put down be much more strict (and larger)
Take the full cost of those public services up front from the developer and put it into a fund to be released only as they are built.
Too often they build the houses, then reapply for permission to squeeze a few more on and then drag their heels for years to build any infrastructure. |
I'm sure I saw something on a news program a few weeks ago, usual thing - developer had built and sold all the houses, but still not built or completed the social buildings they promised.
That developer (can't remember the name) made half a billion pounds in profit last year. Surely it's not unreasonable to force them to build the extra roads, schools, GP surgeries, etc - probably won't even put a dent in all that profit. |  |
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| Not a serious country on 14:50 - Sep 6 with 1799 views | NthQldITFC |
| Not a serious country on 13:55 - Sep 6 by Kievthegreat |
That isn't an argument for objecting developments, but support for fixing planning requirements/regulations
- Realistic assumptions on required parking
- Banning on-street parking on narrow roads or mandating sufficient sized roads for developments
- Proper public transport planning or cycling infrastructure to reduce number of cars (again with realistic assumptions) |
Developers who promise amenities and infrastructure and affordable housing, who then just build their maximum profit bits, make excuses not to do the rest and fk off with their profits are just scum and far too frequent. It should be absolutely cast iron that they build the infrastructure bits first and then they can do their thing. The system is too easily corruptible. |  |
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| Not a serious country on 14:53 - Sep 6 with 1784 views | Trequartista |
I have always been under the impression that if developers want to build houses they are going to build them anyway despite objections. There are plenty of houses being built in Ipswich off Henley Road and off Hadleigh Road and soon off Humber Doucy Lane, but where is the infrastructure i.e. roads and schools to accommodate all these people? They wouldn't build a northern bypass. |  |
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| Not a serious country on 15:00 - Sep 6 with 1763 views | soupytwist |
| Not a serious country on 13:48 - Sep 6 by Kievthegreat |
Huge opposition near my In-Laws around a proposed prison at Wethersfield near Braintree. Plan was to build it along with houses on a disused airforce base. Lots of jobs and growth, but some people would rather a literal blank slab of concrete and nowhere for their kids to live or work.
Well their opposition worked and instead the Home Office took over the site and built a camp for Asylum Seekers.
Add to this, the people who complain about their village schools closing as they have so few students, whilst blocking any new housing in said village so young families can't actually move there. |
The prison at Wethersfield was a bit of a daft idea given the complete absence of any form of public transport to the site. Visitors would be by car or aircraft (the runway's still there).
And getting the construction materials to the site would have involved an awful lot of lorries going down some quite narrow country lanes, even assuming that they made them go the long way round to avoid Finchingfield.
And the asylum claimants have been moved out now as the site is more contaminated that originally thought so there's a load of work to do there for any development to happen. |  | | |
| Not a serious country on 15:06 - Sep 6 with 1737 views | hype313 |
Not just NIMBY's it's the local MP representing them, there was so much talk by so many MP's in the last administration about building more, but when plans were released for various locations, the relevant local MP would then get an ear bashing and not advocate plans. It's a mess. |  |
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| Not a serious country on 15:10 - Sep 6 with 1722 views | Sarge |
| Not a serious country on 14:27 - Sep 6 by ElderGrizzly |
I thought the compromise was now two Waterbeach stations? Or has that been knocked on the head?
They need to do something, as the current station isn't fit for purpose given the number of houses/apartments and monstrosity they are building on the old barracks.
And they still seem to be forgetting about the A10 |
I think two Waterbeach stations would be a very happy compromise but that’s not the current plan, they argue there is no space in the timetable to stop at both. A consultation is due to start at some point for the closure of the existing station. There was previous talk about at least linking the sites with a footpath/cycle path but that’s gone too now. |  | | |
| Not a serious country on 15:34 - Sep 6 with 1655 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not a serious country on 15:10 - Sep 6 by Sarge |
I think two Waterbeach stations would be a very happy compromise but that’s not the current plan, they argue there is no space in the timetable to stop at both. A consultation is due to start at some point for the closure of the existing station. There was previous talk about at least linking the sites with a footpath/cycle path but that’s gone too now. |
Given the 'padding' they put in the timetable for arrival/departure into Cambridge, i'm sure they could find 60 - 90 seconds to stop at two.
They'll find a reason/cheapest way out though of course and then have to retrofit something at twice the cost in 5 years.
Knowing Cambridge Council, they'll probably build a fecking guided bus next to it! [Post edited 6 Sep 2024 15:39]
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| Not a serious country on 15:37 - Sep 6 with 1644 views | GeoffSentence |
Are you getting your Bentley s confused? |  |
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| Not a serious country on 15:41 - Sep 6 with 1609 views | NthQldITFC |
We're one of the most nature-depleted countries in Europe and yet we seem perversely to desire the destruction of whatever woodland we have left because that's the cheapest and most profitable way to stay on the growth suicide ride. | |
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| Not a serious country on 15:53 - Sep 6 with 1558 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Not a serious country on 15:41 - Sep 6 by NthQldITFC |
We're one of the most nature-depleted countries in Europe and yet we seem perversely to desire the destruction of whatever woodland we have left because that's the cheapest and most profitable way to stay on the growth suicide ride. |
Indeed - in Europe, only Ireland has less forest left.
It’s not even ‘good growth’ rapid growth of the consumer base is not making us more productive, or wealthier. When *insert political party here* talk of GDP growth, they are only talking about the size of the economy. Per capita, our GDP is continuing to decline. We should be training our own workforce, diversifying our economy, and decentralising. But that’s for another thread… | | | |
| Not a serious country on 15:55 - Sep 6 with 1552 views | GunnsAirkick |
| Not a serious country on 13:20 - Sep 6 by Illinoisblue |
Similar issues play out over here where I live. People in their $600-700k suburban houses continually piss and moan about new apartments being built anywhere in town. They want this town to remain exactly as it was when they moved in - literally pull up the drawbridge and have no more development. Neatly forgetting the fact that where their shiny comfy McMansion sits used to be countryside and fields which, 20-30 years ago people were probably quite fond of.
It’s all about balance and sensible development but as you say people will always object to something. |
I live in Naaarwich and a good example of this sort of thing is people who have bought houses near the riverside and in the centre moan about noise. There are no end of complaints about The Waterfront (even though it's been there for decades) and the beer festival can no longer have live music because of people getting pissy about some noise for all of an hour for a few days in a year. It really grinds my gears. What the feck is wrong with these people? |  | | |
| Not a serious country on 16:17 - Sep 6 with 1479 views | Sarge |
| Not a serious country on 15:34 - Sep 6 by ElderGrizzly |
Given the 'padding' they put in the timetable for arrival/departure into Cambridge, i'm sure they could find 60 - 90 seconds to stop at two.
They'll find a reason/cheapest way out though of course and then have to retrofit something at twice the cost in 5 years.
Knowing Cambridge Council, they'll probably build a fecking guided bus next to it! [Post edited 6 Sep 2024 15:39]
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I want to laugh but there genuinely is a plan already under consultation for a guided busway from Waterbeach to Cambridge! There’s already a Park & Ride, I don’t know how much time it could possibly save! | | | |
| Not a serious country on 17:01 - Sep 6 with 1418 views | eireblue |
| Not a serious country on 15:41 - Sep 6 by NthQldITFC |
We're one of the most nature-depleted countries in Europe and yet we seem perversely to desire the destruction of whatever woodland we have left because that's the cheapest and most profitable way to stay on the growth suicide ride. |
There are plenty of Golf courses available… |  | | |
| Not a serious country on 17:54 - Sep 6 with 1347 views | homer_123 |
| Not a serious country on 14:14 - Sep 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“That said, only a small % of our country is actually developed”
Most people that use this stat use the UK but Scotland and Wales have much lower population densities. England is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe. It’s also the least forested, which is not great when we need to be soaking up carbon. Theres not not as much decent land available as people think for significant (millions) of new homes - hence why over 110,000 (in the last 10 years) are now sat uninsurable on flood plains. If we are to continue absorbing another 500k-1m people every year we need to have a plan how to do it. There’s never a long term plan in this country by any party.
There’s significant farmland of course, the CAP was aimed at being self-sufficient (sadly another loss from Brexit). People went ape during COVID/Ukraine when they realised we had given up energy security to oil majors. Wait until we start repurposing agriculture into housing en masse, and the next geopolitical event highlights our fragile food supply chains. |
Around 9% is developed.
Of that 9% around 63% is agriculture. Around 20% is forestry and open land and water.
The 91% that isn't developed cannot all be developed upon but it's still a huge amount. |  |
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| Not a serious country on 18:43 - Sep 6 with 1310 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Not a serious country on 17:54 - Sep 6 by homer_123 |
Around 9% is developed.
Of that 9% around 63% is agriculture. Around 20% is forestry and open land and water.
The 91% that isn't developed cannot all be developed upon but it's still a huge amount. |
And a further 40pc protected AOOB, National Parks etc, 11pc flood plains (and increasing), xpc mountainous? If you lose too much agriculture, and we already are increasingly, as the margins for installing solar and wind are far higher than farming, then it’s really a case of BCWYWF in terms of food security. Not only that anything imported is of course vulnerable to price shocks and fx.
As I said before, if good development land was plentiful we wouldn’t be building so many homes that are going to be under water in winter storms. The more we build, the less water we can absorb.That’s not to say we can’t build houses, they are absolutely needed, building millions upon millions ad infinitum is simply not sustainable. | | | |
| Not a serious country on 19:34 - Sep 6 with 1243 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Not a serious country on 14:25 - Sep 6 by itfcjoe |
A good chance for a workforce plan to upskill a generation of people to be able to both build new stock and update existing housing stock whilst then having people there in a position to maintain both residential and commercial property going forwards.
These are the sort of things Brexit should have been used for, major skills and workforce programmes - but the drivers of it just want Singapore on Thames |
We are lacking in tradesmen because
A/ We are in the midst of a Love Island / Social media influencer hell hole of a lazy bastard generation
B/ All the normal people are constantly persuaded to go to university and study maths until they are at retirement age. |  |
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| Not a serious country on 23:26 - Sep 6 with 1102 views | VanSaParody |
If you want to oppose something these days, you just have to put a few batteries boxes up locally
Guarantees you win |  | | |
| Not a serious country on 04:20 - Sep 7 with 1008 views | Benters |
I have seen those signs on my cycle rides,the people are not happy about it.
I can only speak on my own experiences of it all,in my Benters the one with the largish village green.
We have had 100s of new houses built in the village,that the locals didn’t want.It’s become very busy in a short period of time.
Now they talk of a big quarry on farmland which again the people didn’t want but it will get the green light.
I have learnt a few things since all the building started,you can protest and moan,campaign against it if you like.But if the powers to be want it they will have it.
In other news I have just seen that the 9000 new houses which are to built between Elmstead Market and Colchester,with its new fancy pants link road to the A120,they are only going to build the road after the first 4000 houses have been built 😂. [Post edited 7 Sep 2024 4:23]
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| Not a serious country on 04:32 - Sep 7 with 1000 views | Benters |
| Not a serious country on 19:34 - Sep 6 by Lord_Lucan |
We are lacking in tradesmen because
A/ We are in the midst of a Love Island / Social media influencer hell hole of a lazy bastard generation
B/ All the normal people are constantly persuaded to go to university and study maths until they are at retirement age. |
That is all very true Lucan,I remember working in Bermondsey some 15 years ago on the trowel and I was earning £180 a day.Mind you I was leaving my house at 5am and getting home between 6~7pm most nights.
It’s a hard life being in the building trade but it was a great life and I have many fond memories of it.
Did I tell you I bought my first new Toyota Hilux at the age of 19,i thought I was the dogs.😂 | |
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| Not a serious country on 11:55 - Sep 7 with 876 views | stonojnr |
| Not a serious country on 13:44 - Sep 6 by dickie |
I think a lot of NIMBYism is related to the types of houses built and the lack of joined up thinking with regards to infrastructure. The Northern Fringe development in Ipswich is going to cause even more strain on the struggling road network (as well as the schools, public transport and doctors etc). The northern bypass wasn't backed and NIMBYism won there but had they built it they'd have in filled with even more housing resulting in no actual improvement. They also cram so many houses into these developments with tiny gardens and minimal planning for parking that I wonder how desirable these properties actually are for people (similarly with all the flats in the town centre) |
the northern bypass simply isnt a solution to anything, it would cost many hundreds of millions of pounds, and create more traffic, more congestion, more pollution and not solve a single issue.
the only way to fix the "Struggling road network" is for people to accept they need to drive less. and one of those aspects is stop building new housing developments that are completely car centric in their design so you are forced to drive to do anything.
thats why simply building more houses is also not a solution to any problem that currently exists. | | | |
| Not a serious country on 12:00 - Sep 7 with 873 views | NthQldITFC |
| Not a serious country on 11:55 - Sep 7 by stonojnr |
the northern bypass simply isnt a solution to anything, it would cost many hundreds of millions of pounds, and create more traffic, more congestion, more pollution and not solve a single issue.
the only way to fix the "Struggling road network" is for people to accept they need to drive less. and one of those aspects is stop building new housing developments that are completely car centric in their design so you are forced to drive to do anything.
thats why simply building more houses is also not a solution to any problem that currently exists. |
Hear, hear. | |
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