| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League 06:44 - Oct 14 with 15214 views | Asa |
On Saturday we'll be one game out from November and it'll be our 4th home game of the season. 4th!!!
Say what you want for League One but with 46 games, the League Cup, the Pizza Cup and even the FA Cup about to start the games came thick and fast.
Not far off either in the Championship. All those Portman Road matches under the lights.
Of course I want us at the top level. The post is slightly in jest. But the fixture scheduling this season is something else! [Post edited 14 Oct 2024 6:46]
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:20 - Oct 14 with 1579 views | homer_123 |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:14 - Oct 14 by Marshalls_Mullet |
"Though I would caveat that with the view that the investment we made over the summer was clearly with the intent of having a proper go at this league."
By 'having a go at this league', do you mean staying up?
Just asking as I think £100m just gives you a better chance of surviving, rather than competing any higher up. |
I don't think anyone thinks or thought that £100m mean us pushing for European football! |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:22 - Oct 14 with 1577 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:00 - Oct 14 by VanDusen |
It's all rubbish, and the result of fifty years of 2-3 clubs gradually stacking the deck to preserve their position at the top - get rid of maximum wage, make it 3 points for a win, stop sharing gate receipts, and then of course introducing the Premier League and working in cahoots with UEFA to stitch it up a vast additional income from European football that regular clubs effectively have no access to. And then still they wanted more - scrapping two legged ties in the league cup, stopping the FA Cup runner up getting a Euro spot and transferring it to the league, gradually getting rid of the cup replays that smaller clubs rely on year on year, and invading the EFL trophy designed to allow the bottom two leagues to win something to give even more incentive for them to buy and hoard any young player that might look decent.
The whole thing is a rig, it has killed the atmosphere (look at how bad London Stadium was last week compared to the noise you used to get at Upton Park!). And the really sad thing is it's entirely so they can create six international 'brands' to use to sell commodities off world-wide - that's all it's about. So you can't allow a pyramid that sees these clubs drop into obscurity as then how will they sell cr*p.
Unfortunately the only solution I can see is kick them out into their super league on the condition they are NEVER allowed back. They can play their Madrids and Barcelonas week-in week-out for all time, and then we might just get back to some sort of excitement in English football with proper clubs and proper competition. When they say 'fan power' stopped the super league it certainly doesn't appear to have been fan power from the vast majority of clubs - just the armchair fans. |
Agreed. I said the same as the last para in an earlier post.
That viewpoint doesnt seem to get spoken about much.
Its a myth that the 'BIG 6' clubs are of benefit to the rest. |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:27 - Oct 14 with 1552 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:20 - Oct 14 by homer_123 |
I don't think anyone thinks or thought that £100m mean us pushing for European football! |
I didnt suggest that. | |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:47 - Oct 14 with 1532 views | J2BLUE |
It does feel like we've traded in a 7/10 with great personality and sense of humour for a 9/10 who just wants to stage events for Instagram. |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:50 - Oct 14 with 1508 views | ITFCson |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 07:15 - Oct 14 by Vic |
I wonder if the international breaks have also not helped us get into a rhythm. It all feels a bit bitty. |
We had international breaks last season, and sometimes in League 1 | | | |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:52 - Oct 14 with 1503 views | tractorshark |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:47 - Oct 14 by J2BLUE |
It does feel like we've traded in a 7/10 with great personality and sense of humour for a 9/10 who just wants to stage events for Instagram. |
Brilliant. My favourite analogy of the Premier League and 100% correct. | | | |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:00 - Oct 14 with 1488 views | homer_123 |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:27 - Oct 14 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I didnt suggest that. |
I didn't suggest you did fella. | |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:24 - Oct 14 with 1442 views | JimmyJazz |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:00 - Oct 14 by VanDusen |
It's all rubbish, and the result of fifty years of 2-3 clubs gradually stacking the deck to preserve their position at the top - get rid of maximum wage, make it 3 points for a win, stop sharing gate receipts, and then of course introducing the Premier League and working in cahoots with UEFA to stitch it up a vast additional income from European football that regular clubs effectively have no access to. And then still they wanted more - scrapping two legged ties in the league cup, stopping the FA Cup runner up getting a Euro spot and transferring it to the league, gradually getting rid of the cup replays that smaller clubs rely on year on year, and invading the EFL trophy designed to allow the bottom two leagues to win something to give even more incentive for them to buy and hoard any young player that might look decent.
The whole thing is a rig, it has killed the atmosphere (look at how bad London Stadium was last week compared to the noise you used to get at Upton Park!). And the really sad thing is it's entirely so they can create six international 'brands' to use to sell commodities off world-wide - that's all it's about. So you can't allow a pyramid that sees these clubs drop into obscurity as then how will they sell cr*p.
Unfortunately the only solution I can see is kick them out into their super league on the condition they are NEVER allowed back. They can play their Madrids and Barcelonas week-in week-out for all time, and then we might just get back to some sort of excitement in English football with proper clubs and proper competition. When they say 'fan power' stopped the super league it certainly doesn't appear to have been fan power from the vast majority of clubs - just the armchair fans. |
I imagine the real fans of the top 6 wouldn't want to be removed from their domestic league |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:26 - Oct 14 with 1432 views | JimmyJazz |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:02 - Oct 14 by Kievthegreat |
If we reach the final of the FA cup, we can play a maximum of 45 competitive games. The lowest of recent years was 19/20 which even when shortened for Covid was 46 games (36 league, 1 League cup, 4 FA cup and 5 pizza trophy).
In fact I think it's guaranteed to be the lowest number of games in at least 30 years unless we reach the final of the FA cup! |
Losing to Wimbledon didn't exactly help. And what do we need to do to be allowed into the pizza cup with our U-21s? | |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:35 - Oct 14 with 1424 views | textbackup |
I’m glad some else said it.
Waited so long to get here, but I’m not really bothered now that we are 😂 |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:36 - Oct 14 with 1416 views | Vic |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 10:18 - Oct 14 by Dubtractor |
Yep. This.
I commented a few times at the end of last season that whilst the moment of getting promotion was incredible, and what football is all about, that I wasn't too excited about being in the Premier league. We're pretty much here to make up the numbers.
That's not to say I'd welcome relegation, or clap the team to failure, and I'll be delighted if we do stay up and gradually establish ourselves, but I won't get too upset if we do go back down. As long as we at least compete.
Though I would caveat that with the view that the investment we made over the summer was clearly with the intent of having a proper go at this league. |
Blinkin' good job they did invest that amount of money. It seems clear now that once adrenalin and passion had run out the team from last season would have been so out of it depth it doesn't do to think about. Our famed team spirit wouldn't have been enough - the EPL is much better than i thought it would be. |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:38 - Oct 14 with 1412 views | SitfcB |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 10:51 - Oct 14 by Ryorry |
I don’t recall as many int breaks previously as there are this season - has the ’Nations League’ been reformatted or something? (And what did it used to be called? Cos I don’t remember it at all, tho that might just be my short term memory issue). |
Nope, no more than usual, always one in September/October/November then March. |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:48 - Oct 14 with 1384 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:35 - Oct 14 by textbackup |
I’m glad some else said it.
Waited so long to get here, but I’m not really bothered now that we are 😂 |
You know what it is.
Because of the way the league is, and how tough it is for newly promoted teams. Losing doesn't really make me feel anything. Its obviously never nice to lose but it doesn't ruin my weekend. Which probably sounds like a good thing but I'm not sure it is. After, Preston away, Leeds away, Cardiff away last year. My weekend was ruined, I really cared. After the West Ham game last week, it was just like meh, oh well, they are just way better than us.
I mean the flip side is when we win, it will probably feel more rewarding. But I Don't feel that sort of jeopardy I did last season. Which makes me sad. Journey always better than destination and all that. |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:52 - Oct 14 with 1349 views | Dubtractor |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 11:14 - Oct 14 by Marshalls_Mullet |
"Though I would caveat that with the view that the investment we made over the summer was clearly with the intent of having a proper go at this league."
By 'having a go at this league', do you mean staying up?
Just asking as I think £100m just gives you a better chance of surviving, rather than competing any higher up. |
Yes, exactly that. The club are not just banking the money and expecting relegation. |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:55 - Oct 14 with 1346 views | textbackup |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:48 - Oct 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
You know what it is.
Because of the way the league is, and how tough it is for newly promoted teams. Losing doesn't really make me feel anything. Its obviously never nice to lose but it doesn't ruin my weekend. Which probably sounds like a good thing but I'm not sure it is. After, Preston away, Leeds away, Cardiff away last year. My weekend was ruined, I really cared. After the West Ham game last week, it was just like meh, oh well, they are just way better than us.
I mean the flip side is when we win, it will probably feel more rewarding. But I Don't feel that sort of jeopardy I did last season. Which makes me sad. Journey always better than destination and all that. |
You are spot on, that’s exactly how I feel.
I’m buying these away tickets thinking ‘I’m not really that fussed about going’ if they were £50+ I honestly don’t think I’d bother.
Hopefully that big away win will kick me back into life again | |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:02 - Oct 14 with 1311 views | Ryorry |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:36 - Oct 14 by Vic |
Blinkin' good job they did invest that amount of money. It seems clear now that once adrenalin and passion had run out the team from last season would have been so out of it depth it doesn't do to think about. Our famed team spirit wouldn't have been enough - the EPL is much better than i thought it would be. |
Is it just my memory, or is the EPL now way better than it was in our first season back in 2001? Or is it maybe that our current squad isn't as good as that one? Or a mixture of both? 🤔 [Post edited 14 Oct 2024 13:04]
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:02 - Oct 14 with 1311 views | Blueschev |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:48 - Oct 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
You know what it is.
Because of the way the league is, and how tough it is for newly promoted teams. Losing doesn't really make me feel anything. Its obviously never nice to lose but it doesn't ruin my weekend. Which probably sounds like a good thing but I'm not sure it is. After, Preston away, Leeds away, Cardiff away last year. My weekend was ruined, I really cared. After the West Ham game last week, it was just like meh, oh well, they are just way better than us.
I mean the flip side is when we win, it will probably feel more rewarding. But I Don't feel that sort of jeopardy I did last season. Which makes me sad. Journey always better than destination and all that. |
I think the main issue is that now we're in the top flight what is there that we can hope to achieve? That fact that finishing 12th would be an amazing achievement is hardly inspiring is it? People point to Brighton as an example that we hope to emulate. Does being a Brighton look that great? Not to me if I'm honest. |  | | |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:07 - Oct 14 with 1280 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:55 - Oct 14 by textbackup |
You are spot on, that’s exactly how I feel.
I’m buying these away tickets thinking ‘I’m not really that fussed about going’ if they were £50+ I honestly don’t think I’d bother.
Hopefully that big away win will kick me back into life again |
We got so many London ones this year, one big London away win is needed. Hopefully Brentford in a couple weeks.
But the fact that I look at a game like Brentford away and think "that could be a long day" depresses the hell out of me. | |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:17 - Oct 14 with 1246 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:26 - Oct 14 by JimmyJazz |
Losing to Wimbledon didn't exactly help. And what do we need to do to be allowed into the pizza cup with our U-21s? |
Get a cat 1 Academy. It's coming... | | | |
| I've been thinking about the Brentford game quite a lot..... on 13:28 - Oct 14 with 1218 views | Bloots |
....but to clarify, I've mainly been thinking about what's the best pub to go to before and after the game.
It may seem defeatist, but I've pretty much resigned myself to us not winning so the match itself seems to be a bit of an irrelevance really.
The predictability of the Premier League means that unless you are playing one of the teams in your "mini league" whether that's top, middle or bottom then there's very little jeopardy involved.
Saturday will be more tense, but in general it's all just a bit "meh".
The Championship was much more fun. |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:30 - Oct 14 with 1203 views | VanDusen |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 12:24 - Oct 14 by JimmyJazz |
I imagine the real fans of the top 6 wouldn't want to be removed from their domestic league |
I think it's already been made abundantly clear to them over the past few decades that their clubs don't give two hoots for the 'real fans', they're more interested in the money they can make from people watching on tv in Asia and the US. And frankly - is it any more unfair than what's happened to the fans of every other club in the country being made into cannon fodder with no chance of ever achieving? My heart bleeds... | | | |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:34 - Oct 14 with 1193 views | VanDusen |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:02 - Oct 14 by Ryorry |
Is it just my memory, or is the EPL now way better than it was in our first season back in 2001? Or is it maybe that our current squad isn't as good as that one? Or a mixture of both? 🤔 [Post edited 14 Oct 2024 13:04]
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The gulf is just greater - with less restrictions on foreign players and more money to attract them than any other league. Bizarrely, I think possibly we have a BETTER squad than 2000/1 in terms of talent, but the game is so much faster than it was. I think quite probably our team and many of the top end of the Championship would probably have a decent chance of winning the Premier League 25-30 years ago.
This is why the people who keep harking back to "Mr Robson only used 15 players in 1981" are living in cloud cuckoo land. I imagine in modern football that utterly brilliant team would probably struggle to keep up with the pace in the modern Championship or even below?! Remember the amount of fags etc. players used to smoke etc.! ;o) | | | |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:38 - Oct 14 with 1178 views | Blueschev |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:30 - Oct 14 by VanDusen |
I think it's already been made abundantly clear to them over the past few decades that their clubs don't give two hoots for the 'real fans', they're more interested in the money they can make from people watching on tv in Asia and the US. And frankly - is it any more unfair than what's happened to the fans of every other club in the country being made into cannon fodder with no chance of ever achieving? My heart bleeds... |
I think the year Man Utd opted out of the FA signalled the slow death of the top flight as we would want it. Klopp not even bothering to attend a replay was quite frankly a disgrace that should have made him a pariah. I really struggle to see what joy you get from supporting one of the big clubs. I bet the 1999 play of win was much more thrilling for Man City fans that any of the premier league titles they've purchased. | | | |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:42 - Oct 14 with 1181 views | Illinoisblue |
| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:02 - Oct 14 by Blueschev |
I think the main issue is that now we're in the top flight what is there that we can hope to achieve? That fact that finishing 12th would be an amazing achievement is hardly inspiring is it? People point to Brighton as an example that we hope to emulate. Does being a Brighton look that great? Not to me if I'm honest. |
This is the problem. There is no glory in survival. Our owners would likely want us to become a stable and boring and established prem club like Palace. Bank the money, finish 14th, repeat.
It’s what we’d all like. And hate it at the same time. |  |
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| Starting to care less and less about the Premier League on 13:42 - Oct 14 with 1169 views | BlueForYou |
Agree with everything on this thread. I'd add the difficulty of watching us live on TV to the list. For those of us who don't get to games regularly or can't get tickets, there was Town TV & pay £10 to view the match. That option is gone in the Premier League, replaced by having to use VPNs, dodgy/illegal streams. I don't understand why the the Premier League can't allow clubs to stream games on their own platforms? |  | | |
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