| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? 14:25 - Oct 16 with 7654 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
He has to hit the ground running otherwise the press and social media are going to absolutely slaughter him. I can give them a headline to start: "Kraut Of Order!" (are you allowed to say that anymore? I'm sure it wouldn't bother The Sun anyway). |  |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 08:18 - Oct 17 with 1202 views | Europablue |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 15:47 - Oct 16 by Blueschev |
The completely one-sided "rivalry" derives directly from our national obsession with WW2. |
To be fair there was only really one war with a long half-time break. |  | | |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 08:24 - Oct 17 with 1183 views | Europablue |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 17:55 - Oct 16 by Crawfordsboot |
Just got back from Spain where I got chatting to a football fan. He commented that English football fans always wanted to know who he hated, was it the Portuguese, the French, the Germans. He said he couldn’t get his head around the question as to why he had to hate any other supporters.
As to those who suggest we should have an English manager how do you feel about our own Irish manager? |
KM is also English.
Anyway, club management is different. If the manager understands the fans and knows what the club means to them like Klopp or Benitez, there is no problem with a foreign manager.
It's not a xenophobia thing. I live in Germany, I'm married to a German and have two half German kids and I still think that national managers should be from the same country as the players. That is the whole point of the concept of a national competition.
The fact that Tuchel is a German obviously doesn't bother me, and if we are going to have a foreign manager then he is a very good choice, and I'm also happy to have a manager who is not just a valiant loser and is entirely focused on winning. | | | |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 08:26 - Oct 17 with 1179 views | Benters |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 15:29 - Oct 16 by hoppy |
Did it feel weird having a Swedish manager, or an Italian one?
Did they sing the National Anthem?
Did it matter if they did or didn't? |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 08:28 - Oct 17 with 1160 views | Europablue |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 08:18 - Oct 17 by noggin |
"hopefully he will be entirely focused on the football."
I doubt the gutter press will allow that. |
It's probably easier for a foreign manager to shut out that nonsense. Just thinking of the national anthem question, it could be taken as offensive if he does or doesn't sing it.
I think he should sing it in an intimidating way like the Haka and change "God save the King" to "we're going to win". | | | |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:08 - Oct 17 with 1129 views | Asa |
Would love someone to make a real argument for patriotism these days. I get why in years gone by it's a thing but can't for the life of me fathom how relevant it is to the modern world.
The argument is that you cheer for a bloke from the UK in the 100m final. What if we have two finalists and one is from England and Scotland? What if they are both from England but one is from Suffolk? What if they are both from Suffolk but one is from the next road to where you live?
I find it quite bizarre to worry about how many medals Team GB has as opposed to other countries rather than just wanting to see the best, most dramatic or most exciting race or event.
What if the English sprinter is supposedly a nasty piece of work but the Jamaican or USA or Cuban sprinter next to them is supposedly a lovely person who does loads of good work for charitable causes?
Yes there was a war. The last of which was so long ago everyone who lived through it is pretty much now dead. Thomas Tuchel has no more to do with 1940's Germany than I have direct involvement with a war that ended a decade before my parents were born.
Always found patriotism a weird old thing. Especially in a multi-cultural world where the English could emigrate to Spain or Australia or wherever they wanted to be, whilst begrudging people fleeing wars or poverty who wanted to set up a life in a country where they could speak a little of the language.
I find it bizarre anyone is judged on anything other than their character, but as some people are still racist, sexist and homophobic then I can see why Xenophobia should equally, depressingly, live on.
Of course certain newspapers will revel in if if it goes wrong. Because for a country that enters every tournament as one of the favorites, we've done so well under English managers for the last 58 years! [Post edited 17 Oct 2024 9:40]
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:12 - Oct 17 with 1105 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:08 - Oct 17 by Asa |
Would love someone to make a real argument for patriotism these days. I get why in years gone by it's a thing but can't for the life of me fathom how relevant it is to the modern world.
The argument is that you cheer for a bloke from the UK in the 100m final. What if we have two finalists and one is from England and Scotland? What if they are both from England but one is from Suffolk? What if they are both from Suffolk but one is from the next road to where you live?
I find it quite bizarre to worry about how many medals Team GB has as opposed to other countries rather than just wanting to see the best, most dramatic or most exciting race or event.
What if the English sprinter is supposedly a nasty piece of work but the Jamaican or USA or Cuban sprinter next to them is supposedly a lovely person who does loads of good work for charitable causes?
Yes there was a war. The last of which was so long ago everyone who lived through it is pretty much now dead. Thomas Tuchel has no more to do with 1940's Germany than I have direct involvement with a war that ended a decade before my parents were born.
Always found patriotism a weird old thing. Especially in a multi-cultural world where the English could emigrate to Spain or Australia or wherever they wanted to be, whilst begrudging people fleeing wars or poverty who wanted to set up a life in a country where they could speak a little of the language.
I find it bizarre anyone is judged on anything other than their character, but as some people are still racist, sexist and homophobic then I can see why Xenophobia should equally, depressingly, live on.
Of course certain newspapers will revel in if if it goes wrong. Because for a country that enters every tournament as one of the favorites, we've done so well under English managers for the last 58 years! [Post edited 17 Oct 2024 9:40]
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:16 - Oct 17 with 1110 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 23:07 - Oct 16 by textbackup |
Don’t believe I mentioned it did bother me.
Just weird calling out the sun headline writers as the type of people that would write that, and wouldn’t care if they did (even though they haven’t written it, but in fact you yourself did) |
What part of "I was posting it as an example of what I think they'd do, not what I'd personally do" are you struggling with? | |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:21 - Oct 17 with 1097 views | Leaky |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 15:28 - Oct 16 by MattinLondon |
Do the Germans consider England to be a footballing rival? Or is it almost one sided? |
Always considered the Sweaty socks to be our rivals not Germany |  | | |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:36 - Oct 17 with 1080 views | Asa |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:12 - Oct 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Shouldn’t you support Man City or Real Madrid rather than Ipswich then? |
On what basis?
My Dad took me to watch Ipswich at the age of 2 and practically every game afterwards. If he'd taken me to Colchester, Arsenal, Doncaster or Sporting Lisbon then no doubt I'd support them.
I don't think supporting your local club or falling in love with a club you're taken to see at a young age correlates with being an adult and holding a grudge against a potentially perfect decent individual because they were born in a country where one lunatic lead a load of others into some horrific acts almost a century ago.
If that were a thing, then we English would be accountable for some pretty horrible stuff in about 200 of the 210 or so countries across the world. [Post edited 17 Oct 2024 9:58]
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:11 - Oct 17 with 1033 views | Bent_double |
It's weird and not a good decision in my opinion.
Nothing to do with the war, it's a footballing rivalry thing. It's akin to the owner of your football club hiring a former manager of your biggest rivals because he was successful for them once. |  |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:17 - Oct 17 with 1025 views | Europablue |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:36 - Oct 17 by Asa |
On what basis?
My Dad took me to watch Ipswich at the age of 2 and practically every game afterwards. If he'd taken me to Colchester, Arsenal, Doncaster or Sporting Lisbon then no doubt I'd support them.
I don't think supporting your local club or falling in love with a club you're taken to see at a young age correlates with being an adult and holding a grudge against a potentially perfect decent individual because they were born in a country where one lunatic lead a load of others into some horrific acts almost a century ago.
If that were a thing, then we English would be accountable for some pretty horrible stuff in about 200 of the 210 or so countries across the world. [Post edited 17 Oct 2024 9:58]
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Your original post made an argument that seemed to be based on not coming from anywhere or having any shared culture. Being patriotic does not involve hating others. It's like having a family and putting them above someone else, but you can still have friends who you respect and care for a lot, you might even often prefer spending time with your friends.
For me the whole point of watching sport is for what is at stake, not the quality of elite sportsmen at the very top of their game. I'll always be much more engaged and frankly entertained by a 0-0 bore draw involving Town than a 5-4 barnstorming match up at the highest level. | | | |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:17 - Oct 17 with 1025 views | Ryorry |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 15:47 - Oct 16 by Blueschev |
The completely one-sided "rivalry" derives directly from our national obsession with WW2. |
For me it derives directly from 1966, 1990, 1996, 2010 and 2020 …. as I’m pretty sure it does for many others too. |  |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:18 - Oct 17 with 1020 views | Asa |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:11 - Oct 17 by Bent_double |
It's weird and not a good decision in my opinion.
Nothing to do with the war, it's a footballing rivalry thing. It's akin to the owner of your football club hiring a former manager of your biggest rivals because he was successful for them once. |
What's wrong with that.
Give them a 5 year deal I say. Especially off the back of a run of 8 without a win. | | | |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:28 - Oct 17 with 989 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:11 - Oct 17 by Bent_double |
It's weird and not a good decision in my opinion.
Nothing to do with the war, it's a footballing rivalry thing. It's akin to the owner of your football club hiring a former manager of your biggest rivals because he was successful for them once. |
…and then when he’d proven to be a disaster, handing him a 4 year contract extension |  |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:28 - Oct 17 with 981 views | Asa |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:17 - Oct 17 by Europablue |
Your original post made an argument that seemed to be based on not coming from anywhere or having any shared culture. Being patriotic does not involve hating others. It's like having a family and putting them above someone else, but you can still have friends who you respect and care for a lot, you might even often prefer spending time with your friends.
For me the whole point of watching sport is for what is at stake, not the quality of elite sportsmen at the very top of their game. I'll always be much more engaged and frankly entertained by a 0-0 bore draw involving Town than a 5-4 barnstorming match up at the highest level. |
Depends how you view sport. For me I can watch England, want them to win over Germany, because it's football and leave it there.
For too many people I know it spills into preferring an English person over a German person in every other scenario.
Nothing wrong with supporting the national team. I've done it and continue to do so. Just find it a little strange is all when all is said and done. Guy I went to school with for a couple of years was from Dusseldorf and hated the Dutch. Really hated them. We were 15/16 so I wasn't too concerned with asking why but later realised that the Dutch were literally across the border and nearer to him than pretty much the whole of the rest of Germany.
Always found it odd how a little border imposed like that can determine which lot you are 'in with'.
In sport I totally get it. At an away match amongst Town fans we are all there supporting the same cause. That used to probably work in terms of society in a functioning country but feels like the politicians have long since removed the term of us all being in it together like perhaps was the case when I was a kid. | | | |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:37 - Oct 17 with 929 views | Europablue |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:08 - Oct 17 by Asa |
Would love someone to make a real argument for patriotism these days. I get why in years gone by it's a thing but can't for the life of me fathom how relevant it is to the modern world.
The argument is that you cheer for a bloke from the UK in the 100m final. What if we have two finalists and one is from England and Scotland? What if they are both from England but one is from Suffolk? What if they are both from Suffolk but one is from the next road to where you live?
I find it quite bizarre to worry about how many medals Team GB has as opposed to other countries rather than just wanting to see the best, most dramatic or most exciting race or event.
What if the English sprinter is supposedly a nasty piece of work but the Jamaican or USA or Cuban sprinter next to them is supposedly a lovely person who does loads of good work for charitable causes?
Yes there was a war. The last of which was so long ago everyone who lived through it is pretty much now dead. Thomas Tuchel has no more to do with 1940's Germany than I have direct involvement with a war that ended a decade before my parents were born.
Always found patriotism a weird old thing. Especially in a multi-cultural world where the English could emigrate to Spain or Australia or wherever they wanted to be, whilst begrudging people fleeing wars or poverty who wanted to set up a life in a country where they could speak a little of the language.
I find it bizarre anyone is judged on anything other than their character, but as some people are still racist, sexist and homophobic then I can see why Xenophobia should equally, depressingly, live on.
Of course certain newspapers will revel in if if it goes wrong. Because for a country that enters every tournament as one of the favorites, we've done so well under English managers for the last 58 years! [Post edited 17 Oct 2024 9:40]
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You don't make a very good argument for not being patriotic. The good argument for not being patriotic is how far we have let standards slip and how we have gradually allowed our manners, standards, and culture to decay. That is just a very nihilistic view on the world, so I don't prescribe to this.
Patriotism is a sense of belonging on a national level. Having a sense of belonging starts from the family unit to your community, your region, country, and continent all the time getting weaker. Everyone needs to know where they belong, it's just a human need. You can debate whether the nation state is the appropriate level to associate with, but there is something special about being English and British and we still have a great shared culture at least for the properly British people (I include people with foreign heritage who have parents or grandparents who wanted to integrate into British lives, but not those who just live in Britain without adopting British values). There is something special about being from many countries, and there is nothing wrong with being proud about that in a peaceful way.
If it bizarre to watch almost any of the Olympics to see who the best is at a whole load of sports you only ever think about once every four years. There are great stories and rivalries and engaging entertainment to be had, but it is mostly about supporting your group.
I can find room to love Japan and Germany and have friends from many different countries and still be patriotic for my national football team and to a lesser extent
in other sports. | | | |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 11:14 - Oct 17 with 878 views | textbackup |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 09:16 - Oct 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What part of "I was posting it as an example of what I think they'd do, not what I'd personally do" are you struggling with? |
You should send it to them, reckon they’d think it was absolutely brilliant. Far better than anything their own writers could achieve |  |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 11:28 - Oct 17 with 869 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 11:14 - Oct 17 by textbackup |
You should send it to them, reckon they’d think it was absolutely brilliant. Far better than anything their own writers could achieve |
I've always thought I'd be good as a tabloid headline writer.
I used to read The Sun... when I was 4 years old. I don't know if that's a reflection of my early brilliance or how dumb The Sun is. And questions should probably be asked about my parents as well, come to think of it. | |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 12:00 - Oct 17 with 842 views | hoppy |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 11:28 - Oct 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've always thought I'd be good as a tabloid headline writer.
I used to read The Sun... when I was 4 years old. I don't know if that's a reflection of my early brilliance or how dumb The Sun is. And questions should probably be asked about my parents as well, come to think of it. |
You obviously showed a level of advancement by 'reading' The Sun... |  |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 12:12 - Oct 17 with 813 views | Ryorry |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 12:00 - Oct 17 by hoppy |
You obviously showed a level of advancement by 'reading' The Sun... |
I’d have thought it was the “one step back” part of the “two steps forward” theory myself … | |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 13:29 - Oct 17 with 765 views | Benters |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 10:17 - Oct 17 by Ryorry |
For me it derives directly from 1966, 1990, 1996, 2010 and 2020 …. as I’m pretty sure it does for many others too. |
Definitely the wars for me. | |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 14:31 - Oct 17 with 726 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 13:29 - Oct 17 by Benters |
Definitely the wars for me. |
Then pick one when those vicious, nasty Germans were our allies
Abba would have sung a very different song if those Prussians hadn’t turned up. | |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 15:47 - Oct 17 with 685 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 14:37 - Oct 16 by davblue |
Isn’t that harping back to the 1940’s? And harbouring thoughts of past generations? I don’t see how it matters now tbh or ever did. |
Surely it mattered in the 1940s? |  |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 16:05 - Oct 17 with 667 views | textbackup |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 11:28 - Oct 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've always thought I'd be good as a tabloid headline writer.
I used to read The Sun... when I was 4 years old. I don't know if that's a reflection of my early brilliance or how dumb The Sun is. And questions should probably be asked about my parents as well, come to think of it. |
The big breakfast used to do either a daily, or a weekly, Pun of the Week.
The best I heard, and it must have been as I still remember it, Celtic had lost to Caledonian Thistle
‘Super Cally, go ballistic, Celtic are atrocious’ (supercallifragilisticexpialidocious)
Johnny vaughan lost his sht reading that out. | |
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| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 16:15 - Oct 17 with 659 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Feels a bit weird having a German in charge of England doesn't it? on 16:05 - Oct 17 by textbackup |
The big breakfast used to do either a daily, or a weekly, Pun of the Week.
The best I heard, and it must have been as I still remember it, Celtic had lost to Caledonian Thistle
‘Super Cally, go ballistic, Celtic are atrocious’ (supercallifragilisticexpialidocious)
Johnny vaughan lost his sht reading that out. |
Think that was the newspaper headline in either the Scottish Sun or the Daily Record. Brilliant | | | |
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