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So bored of away point moaning 20:45 - Jan 27 with 12912 views

End of the day if you backed the boys away in L1 and champ you would have no issues getting a ticket in the Prem

If you can’t it means you didn’t do enough away days in the lower leagues

All this boo and crying is pathetic , if it wasn’t Liverpool or city away you wouldn’t care.

The fans that get the tickets for away now are the ones who did the hard miles in the lower leagues.

Blackburn away wasn’t sold out…..

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So bored of away point moaning on 06:20 - Jan 28 with 2125 views

LA_Tractor_Boy

So bored of away point moaning on 23:36 - Jan 27 by blueden60

It is a pity that some people have to be so judgemental. Everyones situation is different. I went to loads of away games in League 1 and the relegation season in the Championship. Then I was ill after the covid break and unable to go and although I have a membership,. I have no chance of away tickets now. It feels like a kick in the teeth to a lifelong supporter and makes me so annoyed when people say, I should have gone to aways in League 1 when I did do so! Some of us that moan about the system have good reason to. One thing is for certain, I wont be paying about £40 again next season for a membership as there seems no way back on the ladder!

I think the club need to look at the number of tickets available in the ballot, otherwise they are going to lose a lot of members next season (myself included).

England Supporters Travel Club have it perfect IMO. 70% of the allocation to members with the most loyalty points and 30% in a ballot. Rewards loyalty but doesn't create a closed shop.

For England matches supporters have to collect their away tickets in person, which is the only way to stop people abusing the system, although I'm not sure it's practical for ITFC to do the same.

So bored of away point moaning on 06:31 - Jan 28 with 2109 views

LegendofthePhoenix

So bored of away point moaning on 20:50 - Jan 27 by ITFC_Blood
Who ever down voted please explain how I’m wrong

because every season for the last 30 years, I have been to 4 or 5 away games using my old Silver membership. Until all of a sudden in L1 , the games were sold out (i had to ask someone with a Gold membership to but tickets for me at Cheltenham), then the same in the Championship. Thirty years of 4 or 5 games, but this season none. Stuck in the 10-14 points bracket, been unable to get a ticket apart from Fulham when a friend who couldn't go harvested the points and sold me a ticket. You wanted an answer, there it is.

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So bored of away point moaning on 07:15 - Jan 28 with 2039 views

NeedhamChris

It's odd you're so upset about this - when you've admitted the system is flawed yourself.

All this selli of away tickets for points by ITFC_Blood 3 Aug 2023 17:14
Get over it ffs

It happens and will happen

I dint care if people do it, wait till we get to prem

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So bored of away point moaning on 07:32 - Jan 28 with 1999 views

The_Flashing_Smile

So bored of away point moaning on 01:26 - Jan 28 by Blue_In_Boston
Mystified why this has been down voted. Look at attendances four years ago. We have a lot of fairweather fans, why should they get first dibs on away tickets when others have put in the hard yards during the bad times.

If you're so mystified try reading the rest of the thread. Plenty of answers.

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So bored of away point moaning on 07:40 - Jan 28 with 2000 views

TractorWood

I don't think it's that complicated. We have a pretty big fan base and there are finite tickets to watch us play some of the biggest clubs in the world away from home. Most of which we haven't played for 2 decades.

Of course demand is going to outstrip supply. Of course people not getting tickets are going to be annoyed because they have probably done their stint in the past, just not last season, when it arbitrarily but ultimately mattered.

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So bored of away point moaning on 08:11 - Jan 28 with 1919 views

WubbleU

Agree with the OP about this discussion is boring but the 'should have put in the hard miles' line is equally boring. Of course many of us did in League 1 but had our points robbed by a decision at the club, which many from both sides of the discussion agree was wrong.
The line from the other side of the discussion is then 'you could get enough points by putting in some 'effort' in the championship...true I'm sure, but if the club hadn't robbed me of points I could I could have jogged along very happy with no sense of effort doing 7 or 8 games a season as I have for decades. I'd then have landed in this season with 17 or 18 points and got caught up in the excitement being on the road to every away game with the rest.
The really aren't many moaners just frustrated people.
That's my story and that's why you got a down vote( people moaning about down votes is really very boring; whhen you have put in the 'effort' for a few more years you'll understand why). See you at Swasea in 2031 when we are 15th in Championship again.

So bored of away point moaning on 08:31 - Jan 28 with 1903 views

Guthrum

So bored of away point moaning on 01:26 - Jan 28 by Blue_In_Boston
Mystified why this has been down voted. Look at attendances four years ago. We have a lot of fairweather fans, why should they get first dibs on away tickets when others have put in the hard yards during the bad times.

We didn't get any points for attending those games. It's only the 'fairweather'* fans who've been attending since we became successful in the last three years have been able to build up points under this (still quite new) scheme to get the totals needed.

* Of course people are going to be more enthusiastic when the team is doing well.

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So bored of away point moaning on 08:34 - Jan 28 with 1884 views

itfcjoe

So bored of away point moaning on 06:20 - Jan 28 by LA_Tractor_Boy

I definitely think more tickets are needed to go to ballot opposed to just those with the most caps as it has become a totally closed shop. 5% is nothing really.

Could be even worse next season - if we go down and have smaller allocations then there are probably people with lots of points who won't be able to get them and the shop will close even higher.

I'd like to see the ticket office be a bit more dynamic in point brackets, at the moment the Man U game is 30+ yesterday, 25+ today etc - I'm well into my 40s on points so there must be masses in the 30+ category now. I looked at Brighton away for our game, and different matches get different points levels, including home games, cup games, etc and then they are able to manage the peak periods more easily (if that makes sense!)

I imagine it is an area that is constantly evolving, and will need to - but I don't expect the club to start enforcing use of it by individuals etc because its masses of admin for them to do for no real benefit. People have shared home season tickets for years and will do so with away tickets too.

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So bored of away point moaning on 08:39 - Jan 28 with 1847 views

cressi

Depends if you have a life I've been going since around 1970 had spells where I played local football so never got to many games. I have a season ticket and accept that I won't get away tickets personally I would only choose to go to 4 or 5 away games anyway good luck for those who give up every weekend it's a choice.

So bored of away point moaning on 08:44 - Jan 28 with 1818 views

Swansea_Blue

So bored of away point moaning on 08:34 - Jan 28 by itfcjoe

I reckon they should turn the list upside down for the rest of the season. Anyone in the 40s goes to the bottom to give more people a chance

Actually, if the aim was to widen the support, that wouldn’t be such a bad idea. They might have a mutiny on their hands though!

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So bored of away point moaning on 08:52 - Jan 28 with 1793 views

Dennyx4

So bored of away point moaning on 08:34 - Jan 28 by itfcjoe

It is only 2% Joe - 60 tickets per game.

The ballot should change either larger or don’t do it. The token gesture at present only antagonises the situation.

I have entered the ballot for every away game this season, but no luck so far.

To add, I have no problem with the points system, think it is fair, but the ballot should have been bigger.

We have been to one / two away games per season, so don’t deserve priority, but had hoped that we could do the same this season. We will aim to get Coventry tickets, once they get to our points level.

So bored of away point moaning on 09:12 - Jan 28 with 1738 views

Guthrum

Must've been the only game that season which didn't sell out (and can't have been by many).

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So bored of away point moaning on 09:30 - Jan 28 with 1687 views

MattinLondon

So bored of away point moaning on 08:44 - Jan 28 by Swansea_Blue
I reckon they should turn the list upside down for the rest of the season. Anyone in the 40s goes to the bottom to give more people a chance Actually, if the aim was to widen the support, that wouldn’t be such a bad idea. They might have a mutiny on their hands though!

It would be funny though.

So bored of away point moaning on 09:32 - Jan 28 with 1687 views

Whos_blue

So bored of away point moaning on 23:23 - Jan 27 by Whos_blue

Your post seemingly has no purpose other than to goad the many fans who put in the hard miles to Barnsley, Swindon, Crewe and yes, Blackburn in years gone by, but for a whole host of reasons can no longer make the committment to go. It's those fans who are sometimes a little disappointed they are no longer able to attend away fixtures. Not because they don't want to, but because the opportunity to attend away games on a random basis has now gone. The days of me doing 16, 17, 18+ away games a season like I did through much of the mid to late 90s into the early 2000s are behind me. That doesn't mean I'm less of a supporter and it doesn't make me a moaner when I express a genuine disappointment I can't ever get a ticket.
I hope this explains my downvote to your satisfaction.

Reading this back made me curious about the Crewe game, so checked it out.
It was November 28th 1998.
We won 3-0. Scowy bagged a hat trick.
Attendance?

5165!

I don't remember much about the game other than it was very cold and foggy and the delicious beef pie, chips and gravy on the way to the ground!

Those were indeed the days. (With no points!)

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So bored of away point moaning on 10:03 - Jan 28 with 1635 views

itfcjoe

So bored of away point moaning on 09:32 - Jan 28 by Whos_blue
Reading this back made me curious about the Crewe game, so checked it out. It was November 28th 1998. We won 3-0. Scowy bagged a hat trick. Attendance? 5165! I don't remember much about the game other than it was very cold and foggy and the delicious beef pie, chips and gravy on the way to the ground! Those were indeed the days. (With no points!)

It wasn't even a sell out there the last time we went under McKenna, and drew 1-1 at the back end of 2021/22

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So bored of away point moaning on 10:09 - Jan 28 with 1593 views

HampBlue

Breaking News: People want a system that benefits them and their position.

No one can truly dispute the current system is unfair. Yes it is a bit of a closed shop, but it’s a closed shop to those who attended atleast a handful of L1 games and majority of Champ games.

I done about 5 League one away days and 11 Championship days and have so far got a ticket to every game this season. So it’s not like you even had to go to every game to have the opportunity this season.

Want to do them all this season, but I wont do as many next year, nor will others and so more chances will arise for people.

So bored of away point moaning on 10:19 - Jan 28 with 1556 views

Blue_In_Boston

So bored of away point moaning on 07:32 - Jan 28 by The_Flashing_Smile
If you're so mystified try reading the rest of the thread. Plenty of answers.

I have, and stand by my post.

For the record I remember when we used to do the mini season tickets in the early 90s, games were categorised and I think four were included meaning you would get to see a 'big' team but you also had to watch Oldham, Coventry etc.

Since the early 2010s I haven't been able to get more than a couple of times a season - which has now become zero.

Yes, I could moan as been going since 1970s as a child but that's life, circumstances change.

So bored of away point moaning on 13:57 - Jan 28 with 1401 views

BlueStreak

So bored of away point moaning on 10:03 - Jan 28 by itfcjoe
It wasn't even a sell out there the last time we went under McKenna, and drew 1-1 at the back end of 2021/22

I was only talking about this game over the weekend as we passed Crewe on the way to Liverpool. We managed to get into the post match hospitality and handed out the MOTM award to the Crewe player, after pretending to be a sponsor. TWTD. L1 TWTD.

So bored of away point moaning on 14:01 - Jan 28 with 1393 views

Sarge

So bored of away point moaning on 21:05 - Jan 27 by Plums

You've missed the bit about paying for a membership. A scheme that is simply a place in a virtual queue with no guarantees. I know a number of fans who live away from Suffolk, we've travelled all over the country through dark days and good ones for many years but aren't prepared to pay £40 for nothing in return.

Enjoy your points gathering and gloating about how many you've got, I'm here for the football.

Edit. I was at Blackburn

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This. It’s absolute sh1t. None of my away games in L1 counted for anything because I didn’t pay an extra £40. It’s poorly advertised and badly managed.

So bored of away point moaning on 14:05 - Jan 28 with 1368 views

The_Flashing_Smile

So bored of away point moaning on 10:19 - Jan 28 by Blue_In_Boston

Well I'm confused.

You said you're "Mystified why this has been down voted" ... lots of people have explained why they downvoted it... and you still stand by your post. Not sure what more anyone else can do for you.

"We have a lot of fairweather fans, why should they get first dibs on away tickets when others have put in the hard yards during the bad times."

The "bad times" were across decades. The current points system only works over the last couple of seasons, when we've seen an upturn in success. So if anything, a lot of those with enough points to get tickets now will be what you call fairweather fans.

I suspect the reason you can't understand the downvotes is that this isn't an issue that affects or bothers you that much.

There was also no need for the OP to be so rude and condescending to fellow Town fans who just want to support their team.

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So bored of away point moaning on 14:09 - Jan 28 with 1346 views

Pinewoodblue

So bored of away point moaning on 08:44 - Jan 28 by Swansea_Blue
I reckon they should turn the list upside down for the rest of the season. Anyone in the 40s goes to the bottom to give more people a chance Actually, if the aim was to widen the support, that wouldn’t be such a bad idea. They might have a mutiny on their hands though!

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So bored of away point moaning on 14:18 - Jan 28 with 1267 views

Vaughan8

So bored of away point moaning on 08:34 - Jan 28 by itfcjoe

The ballot is actually 2% I think which is maximum 60 tickets. really thats nothing as you say!

So bored of away point moaning on 14:22 - Jan 28 with 1243 views

Vaughan8

So bored of away point moaning on 23:36 - Jan 27 by blueden60

See its situations like yourself that are the poepl who've missed out.

The strange thing is people say they've "put the hard miles in" in League one, but thats the season we actually did well.

The people who went when we were bottom of the championship, absolutely dire are the true "heroes) (I'm sure some are both).

Unfortunately its just wrong timing for you.

Any system is not going to be that great so it is hard for the club. However, as it is now, its a closed shop because i'm sure people who have higher points, and can't go, will just get a ticket and give it to a friend, or will easily be able to sell/give it away.

So bored of away point moaning on 14:42 - Jan 28 with 1185 views

MattinLondon

So bored of away point moaning on 14:09 - Jan 28 by Pinewoodblue
Bed wetting is the word you are looking for.

I think anyone who turned up to watch Hyam, Skuse and Douglas in a three man midfield should be awarded 50 points.

So bored of away point moaning on 14:49 - Jan 28 with 1166 views

BluJu

"End of the day if you backed the boys away in L1 and champ you would have no issues getting a ticket in the Prem"

Not true though is it? My family and I "backed the boys" for the last idk how many years, with season tickets and away games. But you forget that not everyone can go to EVERY away game. You pretty much need to have done that to be on high level points to get a ticket.

We've always gone to about half a dozen aways a year. We've never needed to buy membership etc for that due to easy availability.

Come this season we need memberships, but there's no way I'm spending £160 on 4 memberships knowing full well that I will never get a ticket out of it.

It's now virtually a closed loop.

The side effect is that supporters - loyal supporters - who cannot go to every away game now cannot even go to a few. I don't care either about the legions of new supporters who are suddenly out of their armchairs now we're in the Prem.

I am not moaning however, as I know it's an impossible situation for the club, and - as I have for the last 25+ years - I'm lucky enough to go to every home game.

It would be nice though if some more fortunate with tickets would have some empathy with their fellow supporters, instead of propagatiing this holier than thou stance around who is the "better supporter".

We all support the same club!

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