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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. 12:02 - Feb 13 with 14234 viewsBloots

….according to The Athletic.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 17:26 - Feb 13 with 2077 viewsPinewoodblue

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:15 - Feb 13 by Linners

Particularly a 20% sell-on clause only worth 10%...


20% of the difference between what we have paid and the amount we receive from the sale.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 17:39 - Feb 13 with 2032 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 17:26 - Feb 13 by Pinewoodblue

20% of the difference between what we have paid and the amount we receive from the sale.


Indeed. Thanks for explaining it to him.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 17:41 - Feb 13 with 2021 viewsSmoresy

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 17:25 - Feb 13 by Marshalls_Mullet

I hadnt made a maths blunder, so you were right not to mention that. No credit points available.

Happy to agree to differ on whether the sell on clause would be applicable.


Ah, the conviction in your earlier messages led me to think you were imparting a more experienced opinion. Sure, agree to differ.
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 17:50 - Feb 13 with 1981 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 17:41 - Feb 13 by Smoresy

Ah, the conviction in your earlier messages led me to think you were imparting a more experienced opinion. Sure, agree to differ.


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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 19:25 - Feb 13 with 1893 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 12:06 - Feb 13 by J2BLUE

I don't believe that.

If it's true then City will 100% re-sign him and then immediately sell him on/loan him out.

I really don't think Ashton would agree to that.


As others have mentioned in the thread, it’s hardly that outrageous a term to have agreed to. It’s only because Delap has been such an outstanding success it looks poor

Presumably to not have a buyback included Man City would have been demanding a higher fee, so saved money up front to do so. And we have known at the time that for any buyback to become relevant he would have to be such a huge hit meaning that City would either want him back as part of their squad, and/or to turn a huge profit. Essentially the worst case* here is we benefit from him being a star for a year or 2 and double our money, even if that profit could have been greater

*as far as the buyback is concerned - obviously the actual worst case was him being dreadful and us having wasted £20m!

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Marginally more attractive than…. on 19:26 - Feb 13 with 1886 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Marginally more attractive than…. on 13:08 - Feb 13 by tractorboy1978

You can't buy and sell a player in the same window.


Has that changed since the Summer, as Villa did exactly that with Cam Archer? European clubs have been utilising buy backs in this way for years

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That was a matching clause.... on 19:44 - Feb 13 with 1835 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

That was a matching clause.... on 15:44 - Feb 13 by Marshalls_Mullet

Different clause, same scenario.


It’s not the same scenario

For the matching clause, the club can match the best bid received to jump the queue. However when a sell on applies, they would be getting a share of that best bid anyway, so the amount they match is reduced - basically they pay the selling club the same amount as they would pocket from selling elsewhere

A buy back is fixed and doesn’t involve any other clubs - they can just pay that fee regardless of what other clubs are bidding. The sell on could be relevant though as they would still benefit if we sold him elsewhere for more - eg. us selling for £50m nets them £6m (20% of £30m profit), in which case you’d assume they’d probably happily pocket that rather than risk paying £40m to try and turn a slightly larger return, but running the risk of any further sale falling through. Obviously that goes out of the window if they actually want him though!

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Sorry mate.... on 20:00 - Feb 13 with 1800 viewsBloots

Really? Why not….? on 16:51 - Feb 13 by textbackup

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That was a matching clause.... on 20:04 - Feb 13 with 1779 viewsMullet

That was a matching clause.... on 19:44 - Feb 13 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

It’s not the same scenario

For the matching clause, the club can match the best bid received to jump the queue. However when a sell on applies, they would be getting a share of that best bid anyway, so the amount they match is reduced - basically they pay the selling club the same amount as they would pocket from selling elsewhere

A buy back is fixed and doesn’t involve any other clubs - they can just pay that fee regardless of what other clubs are bidding. The sell on could be relevant though as they would still benefit if we sold him elsewhere for more - eg. us selling for £50m nets them £6m (20% of £30m profit), in which case you’d assume they’d probably happily pocket that rather than risk paying £40m to try and turn a slightly larger return, but running the risk of any further sale falling through. Obviously that goes out of the window if they actually want him though!


Whatever we get for Delap there's a lot of opportunity.

Large fee, big wages off the books and a chance to reinvest across a squad who will be much stronger in the Championship. Alongside the idea of being attractive to players who want to step up.

I still think we will get really good money for him. He's a rare commodity in football right now.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 06:48 - Feb 14 with 1536 viewsClutch

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 12:10 - Feb 13 by baxterbasics

This perhaps ignores the fact Delap did not appear to be a £40m player when we went for him. He's overperformed compared to what we expected.


That is not relevant, he was a player of the value we paid.

Buy back would only happen if he had a fantastic season, so would have been valued very high.
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Doubtful…. on 06:57 - Feb 14 with 1521 viewsibbleobble

Doubtful…. on 12:15 - Feb 13 by Bloots

….it would have to have been written in at the time, which would then have affected the buy back price.

Too many variables.

At least we know the maximum that we’ll get in the summer now.


That’s not a maximum is it? IF we go down we’ll sell and if Man City don’t want him, it’s an open market. IF we stay up and sell him (we won’t) and a £40 m offer comes in and City don’t want to match it, it again becomes an open market.
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He’ll play cup games…. on 07:40 - Feb 14 with 1456 views_clive_baker_

He’ll play cup games…. on 14:44 - Feb 13 by FrimleyBlue

Could you buy him but loan to a champ club?


Just thinking if we drop, they buy him back, loan him back to us for the season, he scores 20+ in the champ, his fee will rocket, we get promoted again having gained a 20 mill profit in the meantime...
[Post edited 13 Feb 14:46]


There's no way Delap will be wanting to play Championship football next season, and nor should he.
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He’ll play cup games…. on 08:20 - Feb 14 with 1420 viewsFrimleyBlue

He’ll play cup games…. on 07:40 - Feb 14 by _clive_baker_

There's no way Delap will be wanting to play Championship football next season, and nor should he.


Of course. But if city did buy him back and he didn't want to go abroad then championship would only be the option.

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He’ll play cup games…. on 08:46 - Feb 14 with 1369 views_clive_baker_

He’ll play cup games…. on 08:20 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue

Of course. But if city did buy him back and he didn't want to go abroad then championship would only be the option.


He’s not playing in the championship next season.
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He’ll play cup games…. on 10:18 - Feb 14 with 1250 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

He’ll play cup games…. on 08:20 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue

Of course. But if city did buy him back and he didn't want to go abroad then championship would only be the option.


Why?

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He’ll play cup games…. on 17:52 - Feb 14 with 1065 viewsFrimleyBlue

He’ll play cup games…. on 10:18 - Feb 14 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Why?


Someone above said if city buy him back they couldn't sell or loan him to another prem club in the same window.

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He’ll play cup games…. on 19:40 - Feb 14 with 981 viewsHorsham

He’ll play cup games…. on 17:52 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue

Someone above said if city buy him back they couldn't sell or loan him to another prem club in the same window.


Not quite sure how Cameron Archer was sold by Sheff U to Villa and then to Southampton in the same window…maybe as Sheff U were a championship club, but then again we might be a championship club in the summer.
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He’ll play cup games…. on 19:40 - Feb 14 with 979 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

He’ll play cup games…. on 17:52 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue

Someone above said if city buy him back they couldn't sell or loan him to another prem club in the same window.


And it’s nonsense, Villa bought Cam Archer back in the Summer and then sold him on again, and other clubs across Europe have been doing similar for years. Unless the rules have changed since then (and I haven’t seen anything to suggest they have, but happy to be corrected) then there is nothing stopping Delap being bought back and then sold again

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He’ll play cup games…. on 21:24 - Feb 14 with 899 viewsFrimleyBlue

He’ll play cup games…. on 19:40 - Feb 14 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

And it’s nonsense, Villa bought Cam Archer back in the Summer and then sold him on again, and other clubs across Europe have been doing similar for years. Unless the rules have changed since then (and I haven’t seen anything to suggest they have, but happy to be corrected) then there is nothing stopping Delap being bought back and then sold again


I dunno. Literally was just going by what Joe said that the villa move for example is under investigation etc.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 22:00 - Feb 14 with 865 viewstractordownsouth

If we’re relegated then we won’t get more than £40m anyway, buy back or not.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 10:24 - Feb 15 with 677 viewsbluejacko

You are all assuming he would move on why?
He has stated he loves it here,he is young so time is on his side he might just have a bit of character about him and if we were to go down could well do his bit to get us back up!🤞
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 11:55 - Feb 15 with 588 viewsFrimleyBlue

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 10:24 - Feb 15 by bluejacko

You are all assuming he would move on why?
He has stated he loves it here,he is young so time is on his side he might just have a bit of character about him and if we were to go down could well do his bit to get us back up!🤞


Because if a prem side like city buy him then he'll be on 100k a week.

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He’ll play cup games…. on 11:58 - Feb 15 with 581 viewsitfcjoe

He’ll play cup games…. on 19:40 - Feb 14 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

And it’s nonsense, Villa bought Cam Archer back in the Summer and then sold him on again, and other clubs across Europe have been doing similar for years. Unless the rules have changed since then (and I haven’t seen anything to suggest they have, but happy to be corrected) then there is nothing stopping Delap being bought back and then sold again


You can’t buy a player and then loan him out to a PL club in the same window; it’s not the case for perms and Archer a recent example of that but that was investigated so not beyond realms of possibility that that is tightened up within the PL rules

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