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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. 12:02 - Feb 13 with 14230 viewsBloots

….according to The Athletic.

Reliable source.

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He’ll play cup games…. on 13:17 - Feb 13 with 1675 viewsBloots

Marginally more attractive than…. on 13:08 - Feb 13 by tractorboy1978

You can't buy and sell a player in the same window.


….till January then they’ll flog him at a profit.

Or, as others have said, just loan him with an obligation.

Simple.

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He’ll play cup games…. on 13:22 - Feb 13 with 1632 viewsDennyx4

He’ll play cup games…. on 13:17 - Feb 13 by Bloots

….till January then they’ll flog him at a profit.

Or, as others have said, just loan him with an obligation.

Simple.


Is he worth much more than £50m though?

£50m breaks Man City even on whether we sell or they sell. So would need to be sure that theycan sell for more than £50m?
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:26 - Feb 13 with 1607 viewsSmoresy

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:04 - Feb 13 by MattinLondon

That’s a good point but that’s assuming Delap wants to go back to them and that they’ll be in next seasons Europa League. If other clubs come in for him then they might be more of an attractive proposition.


My understanding is he would have already agreed to his return terms, so would be in breach of contract should City trigger the clause and he refused to go.* Appreciate others have raised a "modern slavery" point in relation to this on previous threads, but it's little different to him trying rip up his lengthy contract with us because he no longer wants to be bound by it. Player power is stronger than ever but he can't opt to join Chelsea for free in the summer.

*Likely wouldn't be the first time that such a situation were thrashed out in mediation or the courts though.
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:28 - Feb 13 with 1587 viewsWolfieAtTheBack

Maybe we sell him back to City for 40m, then loan him back, then buy him again, then sell him back to City then....

It's all utter madness.
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:31 - Feb 13 with 1548 viewshype313

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:28 - Feb 13 by WolfieAtTheBack

Maybe we sell him back to City for 40m, then loan him back, then buy him again, then sell him back to City then....

It's all utter madness.


If he does manage to fire us to safety, then goes for £40m then the extra £5-10m will be pretty insignificant compared to what we receive for staying in the PL.

The issue then will be who replaces him...

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:34 - Feb 13 with 1532 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

£40m.

Less 20% sell on clause...

= £36m?

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:46 - Feb 13 with 1477 viewsSmoresy

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:28 - Feb 13 by WolfieAtTheBack

Maybe we sell him back to City for 40m, then loan him back, then buy him again, then sell him back to City then....

It's all utter madness.


That scenario is madness yet it isn't mad for a young player to make huge progress at a new club, such that they'd be an asset again for the old one. Salah and De Bruyne jump to mind straight away as players whom original clubs would have loved to hold (extended) buy-back clauses for.

They'll likely become ever more common as parent clubs find it increasingly hard to hoard players due to PSR compliance. Preferably you'd outlaw them altogether, which would help to bring a tiny bit more fairness into the PSR framework, which as it currently stands overwhelmingly favours the biggest clubs.
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:51 - Feb 13 with 1459 viewsSmoresy

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:34 - Feb 13 by Marshalls_Mullet

£40m.

Less 20% sell on clause...

= £36m?


Would be very odd for the sell-on clause to find its way into the buy-back clause.
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:56 - Feb 13 with 1406 viewsMullet

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:31 - Feb 13 by hype313

If he does manage to fire us to safety, then goes for £40m then the extra £5-10m will be pretty insignificant compared to what we receive for staying in the PL.

The issue then will be who replaces him...



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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:58 - Feb 13 with 1396 viewsunbelievablue

Heck of a lot of hindsight in this thread. A buy back for double the sale price is not bad business by any stretch, and none of you would've balked at it at the time, given his profile and the need for a striker.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:00 - Feb 13 with 1368 viewsWestStanderLaLaLa

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:13 - Feb 13 by mattrolow

Isn't it the case that Southampton already agreed terms and we had to match them? So not sure we had much negotiation in this at all.


Reported at the time that both us and Southampton agreed the same terms.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:02 - Feb 13 with 1362 viewspositivity

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:58 - Feb 13 by unbelievablue

Heck of a lot of hindsight in this thread. A buy back for double the sale price is not bad business by any stretch, and none of you would've balked at it at the time, given his profile and the need for a striker.


who knows what the truth is, we've had more "itk" revelations about clauses on here than liam has goals...

however, we've done very well to get a player of his quality in at a very reasonable price. if it turns out that we "only" make a 20m+ profit in a year, then i'm still more than glad we made the purchase!

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:11 - Feb 13 with 1320 viewsKieran_Knows

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:58 - Feb 13 by unbelievablue

Heck of a lot of hindsight in this thread. A buy back for double the sale price is not bad business by any stretch, and none of you would've balked at it at the time, given his profile and the need for a striker.


... and ultimately the buy back clause is always going to be of benefit to the original selling club.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:15 - Feb 13 with 1275 viewsLinners

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:51 - Feb 13 by Smoresy

Would be very odd for the sell-on clause to find its way into the buy-back clause.


Particularly a 20% sell-on clause only worth 10%...
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:19 - Feb 13 with 1234 viewsSmithersJones

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 12:57 - Feb 13 by Smoresy

Disappointing as this would be (unable to read article), £40m is a higher number than I feared it could be.

Yes City's sell-on clause is 20% Smithers, so equivalent to a £50m sale to another club.


The sell on percentage will be based on profit rather than sale price, so a £50m sale nets us £43m if we paid £15m, but your point is still right.
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:23 - Feb 13 with 1197 viewsSmoresy

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:15 - Feb 13 by Linners

Particularly a 20% sell-on clause only worth 10%...


Wasn't going to be the one to say it but yeah 😅
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:25 - Feb 13 with 1177 viewsSmoresy

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:19 - Feb 13 by SmithersJones

The sell on percentage will be based on profit rather than sale price, so a £50m sale nets us £43m if we paid £15m, but your point is still right.


I don't believe that's correct as it happens - previous research has led me to understand it's normally the fee, rather than the profit, but I don't work in the industry.
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:26 - Feb 13 with 1173 viewsvapour_trail

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 13:51 - Feb 13 by Smoresy

Would be very odd for the sell-on clause to find its way into the buy-back clause.


That was reported to be the case when Villa brought Philogene back from Hull.

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That was a matching clause.... on 14:31 - Feb 13 with 1140 viewsBloots

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:26 - Feb 13 by vapour_trail

That was reported to be the case when Villa brought Philogene back from Hull.


...not a buy back.

Different scenario.

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:32 - Feb 13 with 1104 viewsSimonds92

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:25 - Feb 13 by Smoresy

I don't believe that's correct as it happens - previous research has led me to understand it's normally the fee, rather than the profit, but I don't work in the industry.


My research in to your previous research has led me to understand that you are not a very good researcher.
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:38 - Feb 13 with 1054 viewsSmoresy

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:26 - Feb 13 by vapour_trail

That was reported to be the case when Villa brought Philogene back from Hull.


As Bloots mentions, and a matching clause differs in that the future sum is undetermined at the original point of sale, hence a percentage figure, and the new owner has control over whether to sell or accept the offer. A buy-back clause conversely is an imposition on the new owner: "we've taken him back now, money's on the doormat'.
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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:39 - Feb 13 with 1039 viewsitfcjoe

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 12:53 - Feb 13 by sjg

Well it's up to £20m and I don't know about you but I have no idea what the add-ons related to, could well have been reached already


You can't hit £5m of add ons by making 23 appearances and scoring 9 goals

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:40 - Feb 13 with 1038 viewsSmoresy

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:32 - Feb 13 by Simonds92

My research in to your previous research has led me to understand that you are not a very good researcher.


Lol that's a bit catty but will leave it there.
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He’ll play cup games…. on 14:42 - Feb 13 with 1021 viewsitfcjoe

He’ll play cup games…. on 13:17 - Feb 13 by Bloots

….till January then they’ll flog him at a profit.

Or, as others have said, just loan him with an obligation.

Simple.


You can't buy a player and loan him out to another PL club in the same window, so unless he was going abroad then it wouldn't work.

Villa 'bought back' Archer from Sheff U last summer and sold him to Southampton but are under a FIFA investigation into that so that loophole may well be closed now

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£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:42 - Feb 13 with 1020 viewspositivity

£40m straight buy back for Delap…. on 14:39 - Feb 13 by itfcjoe

You can't hit £5m of add ons by making 23 appearances and scoring 9 goals


if it was based on leaving one on opposition players from the kick-off, then he might have done it by now!

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