| Trump 18:06 - Feb 28 with 20947 views | backwaywhen |
Is one disgusting human being , unbelievable the way they have spoke to Zelenskyy today ….beggere belief.
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| Trump on 19:31 - Feb 28 with 1737 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
They say you shouldn't let politics cloud you view on people.
That being said anyone who supports this man is an abhorrent fascist sympathiser. A complete joke he got anywhere near power. Makes me sick. |  |
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| Trump on 19:33 - Feb 28 with 1726 views | Swansea_Blue |
Wow. I’ve been having a little sleep this afternoon (I’ve got Covid this week), so missed all the fun. Sounds like Trump has outdone himself again.
I know a lot of people more politically savvy reckoned Starmer had a reasonable day yesterday, but seeing him crawling up him ring piece made me feel a bit sicker if I’m honest. Normally you would be diplomatic, I understand that. But Trump isn’t normal.
Monbiot has been running some (largely hypothetical) pieces this week about how screwed we are if Trump turns on us. Maybe that’s why Starmer’s kissing his butt. It feels wrong to me though. Simplisticly, Trump and what he stands for is evil. You have to fight against evil. |  |
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| Trump on 19:36 - Feb 28 with 1693 views | pointofblue |
The problem is neither Trump or Zelenskyy are career politicians, embracing the approach of keeping everything above board in public, and disputes behind the scenes. Trump fired the first shot and, instead of placating or keeping everything benign Zelenskyy, albeit not unreasonably, fired back. And this was a problem from that moment.
Trump and Vance wanted to fire up tension for the domestic audience - they did the same with Starmer but he (and I'm not a supporter of his) handled it well. Zelenskyy played into their hands. That's not to say Trump isn't to blame. He clearly is. But he's found someone who would fall into his trap, just as Putin has with Trump. | |
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| Trump on 19:40 - Feb 28 with 1668 views | bsw72 |
| Trump on 19:31 - Feb 28 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
They say you shouldn't let politics cloud you view on people.
That being said anyone who supports this man is an abhorrent fascist sympathiser. A complete joke he got anywhere near power. Makes me sick. |
He has money. Money controls the media. The media in the US controls politics. The problem will be that the media portrayal of this in the US will paint Trump as the hero. |  | | |
| Trump on 19:48 - Feb 28 with 1606 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump on 19:36 - Feb 28 by pointofblue |
The problem is neither Trump or Zelenskyy are career politicians, embracing the approach of keeping everything above board in public, and disputes behind the scenes. Trump fired the first shot and, instead of placating or keeping everything benign Zelenskyy, albeit not unreasonably, fired back. And this was a problem from that moment.
Trump and Vance wanted to fire up tension for the domestic audience - they did the same with Starmer but he (and I'm not a supporter of his) handled it well. Zelenskyy played into their hands. That's not to say Trump isn't to blame. He clearly is. But he's found someone who would fall into his trap, just as Putin has with Trump. |
We now need European unity and balls. Who will stand up and condemn trumps behaviour? | | | |
| Trump on 19:50 - Feb 28 with 1584 views | NthQldITFC |
| Trump on 18:44 - Feb 28 by RIPbobby |
It takes a lot for me to be shocked, but I am by this. Vance was in there for a fight and he got it. Trump followed the lead. What does this say about Trumps relationship with Russia? Very bizarre turn of events. I just cant see what Trumps game is? Why behave like that? Interesting to see what happens tomorrow as Trump tends to jump from one extreme to the other.
Does this mean that the UK are Ukraine's biggest ally now? It sounds like more £s will be heading there way soon. |
Yes, it looked re-planned with Vance as the detonator giving Trump the opportunity to suck Putin's c*ck on live TV. A pair of turds.
Boycott US goods, it's the only language scum like that understand. |  |
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| Trump on 19:51 - Feb 28 with 1583 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Trump on 19:14 - Feb 28 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Don't agree with that. I have encountered Psychopaths, and it is a completely fatal mistake to believe you can negotiate with them. They just don't care about the consequences, everything is a game.
The last time I'm aware of a world leader speaking to another world leader in such terms, was Adolf Hitler. I now put Trump in that bracket. |
It's not about negotiating and the poster a ove saying it's bollox. This is going to lead to hundred's of thousands of deaths.
I couldn't be more anti-trump but you have to understand what is going on I that room with him. Zelenksy has been done. I'm not sure I could hold my tongue but he had to do what needed to be done for his people.
Feel terrible for the bloke. There isn't a great outcome available with Trump. But this is going to be horrible and the worst outcome available. [Post edited 28 Feb 19:56]
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| Trump on 19:51 - Feb 28 with 1585 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Trump on 19:33 - Feb 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Wow. I’ve been having a little sleep this afternoon (I’ve got Covid this week), so missed all the fun. Sounds like Trump has outdone himself again.
I know a lot of people more politically savvy reckoned Starmer had a reasonable day yesterday, but seeing him crawling up him ring piece made me feel a bit sicker if I’m honest. Normally you would be diplomatic, I understand that. But Trump isn’t normal.
Monbiot has been running some (largely hypothetical) pieces this week about how screwed we are if Trump turns on us. Maybe that’s why Starmer’s kissing his butt. It feels wrong to me though. Simplisticly, Trump and what he stands for is evil. You have to fight against evil. |
I really don't think it's necessary to say things like "crawling up his ring piece" and "kissing his butt" (not just you but I've seen others say similar). He's not remotely doing that. You can't go in all guns blazing and have a pop at Trump, that would just be stupid and achieve nothing at best or be really bad for the UK at worst.
Starmer is playing 'Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.' It's exactly what he had to do and what any sensible statesman would do. And he did it very well.
It's also nothing like appeasing Hitler.
But there are some in this thread who would criticise Starmer whatever he did. |  |
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| Trump on 19:53 - Feb 28 with 1559 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Trump on 19:13 - Feb 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Sorry but that's bollix!! If ever there was a time for nations and the people in them to treat Trump as the pariah he is and for the citizens of the US to see it, that time is now. |
You think this wasn't done for the Americans to watch by Trump and Vance!!!? This played out exactly like they wanted.the US saw it and more took this as Zelenksy offending the US and disrespecting the president then you can believe.
The US is so polarised but unfortunately this has played right into trumps hands. And Putin's. | |
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| Trump on 19:54 - Feb 28 with 1550 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Trump on 19:40 - Feb 28 by bsw72 |
He has money. Money controls the media. The media in the US controls politics. The problem will be that the media portrayal of this in the US will paint Trump as the hero. |
Exactly. That's already what we're hearing when Americans have are being interviewed about it. FFS it's mental!!! | |
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| Trump on 19:58 - Feb 28 with 1514 views | Churchman |
I’ve seen it.
It was an ambush. Trump and his henchman set him up. Zelenski sat there, his country in ruins. The way they sat (position), body language, language was designed to humiliate, bully; to get Zelenski’s nose in the dirt and be grateful for his country being emptied by Trump of its assets in return for nothing.
Trump and Vance knew Zelenski is no politician and that by treating him like god knows what he’d respond. The plan was for them to show Putin is a reasonable man, Zelenski is not.
Trump said he was neutral. Given Russia invaded a sovereign country for the second time in ten years with no provocation Trump is effectively siding with the aggressor.
Not a single word of criticism for Putin. A pile on for Zelenski. Lies on so many aspects from what Putin is to who has contributed what and how. Negotiations between Russia and America without Ukraine and a public support for what Putin publicly wanted in advance? Says it all.
America is a friend and partner of Putin. The deal to share the spoils was between the two. Country for Vlad, slice of the financial pie for Trump. A deal.
Did Zelenski fall into the trap? Yes. But tbh if I’d been in his shoes I’d have fired back too or walked out. Maybe just terminating the press conference as soon as Vance started was a better way to go. Trump and dickfeatures have no appreciation for what has happened to Ukraine and its people. Not a jot. They don’t care either. They don’t see consequences or right and wrong; just see dollars and might is right.
If this doesn’t wake the world up to what America is, nothing will. The Europeans security meeting at the weekend is the most important for as long as I can remember. The first thing the bigger Euro countries should be doing is upping defence spending to more than 5%. Back to Cold War levels or higher. If that hurts pockets, including mine, so be it. The problem isn’t going away.
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| Trump on 20:04 - Feb 28 with 1466 views | pointofblue |
| Trump on 19:48 - Feb 28 by redrickstuhaart |
We now need European unity and balls. Who will stand up and condemn trumps behaviour? |
The only way to stand up to Trump is to play with his ego. Zelenskyy tried it with the 'misinformation' comment but didn't quite get the tone right - he was possibly too soft. I'm fascinated to see what would happen if a world leader stood up and openly called him Putin's puppet.
Someone said earlier about withdrawing the offer of a state visit. I wouldn't be surprised if it's discussed on Sunday, and whether it would have a positive impact or fuel the flames even further. | |
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| Trump on 20:09 - Feb 28 with 1430 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump on 20:04 - Feb 28 by pointofblue |
The only way to stand up to Trump is to play with his ego. Zelenskyy tried it with the 'misinformation' comment but didn't quite get the tone right - he was possibly too soft. I'm fascinated to see what would happen if a world leader stood up and openly called him Putin's puppet.
Someone said earlier about withdrawing the offer of a state visit. I wouldn't be surprised if it's discussed on Sunday, and whether it would have a positive impact or fuel the flames even further. |
He should do precisely that. Trumps ego is such that he'd hit back but it would gnaw away at him | | | |
| Trump on 20:09 - Feb 28 with 1432 views | blueasfook |
| Trump on 19:51 - Feb 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I really don't think it's necessary to say things like "crawling up his ring piece" and "kissing his butt" (not just you but I've seen others say similar). He's not remotely doing that. You can't go in all guns blazing and have a pop at Trump, that would just be stupid and achieve nothing at best or be really bad for the UK at worst.
Starmer is playing 'Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.' It's exactly what he had to do and what any sensible statesman would do. And he did it very well.
It's also nothing like appeasing Hitler.
But there are some in this thread who would criticise Starmer whatever he did. |
And there are also some who would defend him no matter what he did.
Both he and Macron achieved absolutely nothing in getting Trump to change his stance on Ukraine. If anything, their failure to tackle him gave him carte blanche to go steaming in.
It's exactly like western Europe's attempts to appease Hitler. European leaders collectively need to change tack and stand up to him. |  |
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| Trump on 20:09 - Feb 28 with 1432 views | Illinoisblue |
| Trump on 19:58 - Feb 28 by Churchman |
I’ve seen it.
It was an ambush. Trump and his henchman set him up. Zelenski sat there, his country in ruins. The way they sat (position), body language, language was designed to humiliate, bully; to get Zelenski’s nose in the dirt and be grateful for his country being emptied by Trump of its assets in return for nothing.
Trump and Vance knew Zelenski is no politician and that by treating him like god knows what he’d respond. The plan was for them to show Putin is a reasonable man, Zelenski is not.
Trump said he was neutral. Given Russia invaded a sovereign country for the second time in ten years with no provocation Trump is effectively siding with the aggressor.
Not a single word of criticism for Putin. A pile on for Zelenski. Lies on so many aspects from what Putin is to who has contributed what and how. Negotiations between Russia and America without Ukraine and a public support for what Putin publicly wanted in advance? Says it all.
America is a friend and partner of Putin. The deal to share the spoils was between the two. Country for Vlad, slice of the financial pie for Trump. A deal.
Did Zelenski fall into the trap? Yes. But tbh if I’d been in his shoes I’d have fired back too or walked out. Maybe just terminating the press conference as soon as Vance started was a better way to go. Trump and dickfeatures have no appreciation for what has happened to Ukraine and its people. Not a jot. They don’t care either. They don’t see consequences or right and wrong; just see dollars and might is right.
If this doesn’t wake the world up to what America is, nothing will. The Europeans security meeting at the weekend is the most important for as long as I can remember. The first thing the bigger Euro countries should be doing is upping defence spending to more than 5%. Back to Cold War levels or higher. If that hurts pockets, including mine, so be it. The problem isn’t going away.
Trump? Do one 🖕🏻 |
“Why aren’t you wearing a suit?” “You haven’t said thank you enough”. It’s all so pathetic |  |
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| Trump on 20:10 - Feb 28 with 1425 views | Scuzzer |
This opinion of yours really should be on GENERAL!
Please move it. |  |
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| Trump on 20:12 - Feb 28 with 1413 views | Scuzzer |
| Trump on 18:10 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE |
Disgusted watching this. Vance is scum. Trump is scum. |
You are Angela Rayner and I claim my prize. | |
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| Trump on 20:18 - Feb 28 with 1368 views | Churchman |
| Trump on 20:04 - Feb 28 by pointofblue |
The only way to stand up to Trump is to play with his ego. Zelenskyy tried it with the 'misinformation' comment but didn't quite get the tone right - he was possibly too soft. I'm fascinated to see what would happen if a world leader stood up and openly called him Putin's puppet.
Someone said earlier about withdrawing the offer of a state visit. I wouldn't be surprised if it's discussed on Sunday, and whether it would have a positive impact or fuel the flames even further. |
What are Trump’s weaknesses? A thin skin, inability to listen, an inclination to bully, to have his way, a lack of comprehension, reading, empathy. He has no positives to his nature or character. He is very like Putin in that. If you wanted to build a dictator to fit in the club, a lot of what Trump is would fit very nicely.
It interests me that he is getting no criticism for his actions within America. They love him and see his behaviours as strength. I don’t and they won’t one day, but for now he’s the man who can do no wrong - unless you work for the Federal Government.
The only way to deal with Trump is to get out of the room, which Macron and Starmer to their credit did. The stakes were different for Zelenski and given his skill set and how he was set up, he stood no chance. | | | |
| Trump on 20:21 - Feb 28 with 1339 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump on 19:50 - Feb 28 by NthQldITFC |
Yes, it looked re-planned with Vance as the detonator giving Trump the opportunity to suck Putin's c*ck on live TV. A pair of turds.
Boycott US goods, it's the only language scum like that understand. |
I’m going to start putting sugar in the petrol tanks of Teslas.
People shouldn’t be on Twitter for a start. And I think there are some spending boycotts planned over there. Amazon would be another good place to avoid, seeing that Bezos looks like he’s turning the Washington Post into an alt right propaganda rag. Trouble is, we’re tied up in knots with these sorts of companies. | |
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| Trump on 20:23 - Feb 28 with 1316 views | vapour_trail |
Just seen sky play ten mins of that argument.
Never seen anything like it.
We are in uncharted territory here. |  |
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| Trump on 20:23 - Feb 28 with 1311 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump on 20:21 - Feb 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I’m going to start putting sugar in the petrol tanks of Teslas.
People shouldn’t be on Twitter for a start. And I think there are some spending boycotts planned over there. Amazon would be another good place to avoid, seeing that Bezos looks like he’s turning the Washington Post into an alt right propaganda rag. Trouble is, we’re tied up in knots with these sorts of companies. |
As a population we need to find ways to protest. Our buying habits are a start. | | | |
| Trump on 20:25 - Feb 28 with 1274 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump on 19:51 - Feb 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I really don't think it's necessary to say things like "crawling up his ring piece" and "kissing his butt" (not just you but I've seen others say similar). He's not remotely doing that. You can't go in all guns blazing and have a pop at Trump, that would just be stupid and achieve nothing at best or be really bad for the UK at worst.
Starmer is playing 'Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.' It's exactly what he had to do and what any sensible statesman would do. And he did it very well.
It's also nothing like appeasing Hitler.
But there are some in this thread who would criticise Starmer whatever he did. |
Yeah, I understand the reasoning. It just makes me feel  . I suppose we haven’t got a lot of choice but to somehow distract and placate the tw*t. It’s like being a babysitter for a toddler running around holding a hand grenade! | |
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| Trump on 20:30 - Feb 28 with 1229 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Trump on 19:58 - Feb 28 by Churchman |
I’ve seen it.
It was an ambush. Trump and his henchman set him up. Zelenski sat there, his country in ruins. The way they sat (position), body language, language was designed to humiliate, bully; to get Zelenski’s nose in the dirt and be grateful for his country being emptied by Trump of its assets in return for nothing.
Trump and Vance knew Zelenski is no politician and that by treating him like god knows what he’d respond. The plan was for them to show Putin is a reasonable man, Zelenski is not.
Trump said he was neutral. Given Russia invaded a sovereign country for the second time in ten years with no provocation Trump is effectively siding with the aggressor.
Not a single word of criticism for Putin. A pile on for Zelenski. Lies on so many aspects from what Putin is to who has contributed what and how. Negotiations between Russia and America without Ukraine and a public support for what Putin publicly wanted in advance? Says it all.
America is a friend and partner of Putin. The deal to share the spoils was between the two. Country for Vlad, slice of the financial pie for Trump. A deal.
Did Zelenski fall into the trap? Yes. But tbh if I’d been in his shoes I’d have fired back too or walked out. Maybe just terminating the press conference as soon as Vance started was a better way to go. Trump and dickfeatures have no appreciation for what has happened to Ukraine and its people. Not a jot. They don’t care either. They don’t see consequences or right and wrong; just see dollars and might is right.
If this doesn’t wake the world up to what America is, nothing will. The Europeans security meeting at the weekend is the most important for as long as I can remember. The first thing the bigger Euro countries should be doing is upping defence spending to more than 5%. Back to Cold War levels or higher. If that hurts pockets, including mine, so be it. The problem isn’t going away.
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I'm about to appear incredibly naive but here goes. I try to avoid the media as much as I can (and therefore don't really follow the political landscape). My question is thus: Why exactly does Trump seem to be so 'friendly' to Putin and Russia? Everyone else, barring North Korea (and Belarus? I see them mentioned a lot in this), can see what Russia and Putin did and are doing, and everyone else would see Zelensky and his country in an awful position and feel empathy and a desire to help. Trump seems to be seeing an opportunity to appear the 'saviour' by offering to help to create the route to a ceasire (but only in return for extorting Zelensky of his country's mineral deposits; essentially a Mafia protection racket?), whilst trying to humiliate him in front of the world's media and try to make him grovel and be oh so thankful to President Trump for his 'help' in finding an end to the war (minus any thought that Ukraine should get their territory back, nor be invited to the negotiations themselves).
Have I got this all correct? As I type the above it seems so ludicrous and to defy any logic; maybe that in itself is why I've not managed to keep up with it. |  |
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| Trump on 20:30 - Feb 28 with 1222 views | blueasfook |
| Trump on 20:04 - Feb 28 by pointofblue |
The only way to stand up to Trump is to play with his ego. Zelenskyy tried it with the 'misinformation' comment but didn't quite get the tone right - he was possibly too soft. I'm fascinated to see what would happen if a world leader stood up and openly called him Putin's puppet.
Someone said earlier about withdrawing the offer of a state visit. I wouldn't be surprised if it's discussed on Sunday, and whether it would have a positive impact or fuel the flames even further. |
It all boils down to who needs who more. Europe or the US. But the way Trump handling the Russian incursion into Ukraine should tell us we are on our own if Vlad wants to take things further. | |
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| Trump on 20:31 - Feb 28 with 1196 views | WicklowBlue |
| Trump on 19:50 - Feb 28 by NthQldITFC |
Yes, it looked re-planned with Vance as the detonator giving Trump the opportunity to suck Putin's c*ck on live TV. A pair of turds.
Boycott US goods, it's the only language scum like that understand. |
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgd9v3r69qo
Things not going well for Muskrat and his swaticars in Europe. Nothing tarriffs cannot fix I'm sure |  | | |
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