| Where we are at 10:47 - Mar 9 with 6612 views | JakeITFC |
I thought yesterday was a microcosm of our season - very competitive, had chances, gave up chances and were probably on the wrong side of a tight game that could have gone our way. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve come away from a game this year feeling that way and it must be brutal for the team to be on the wrong side of it so often.
Honestly I think we probably are the 18th best team in this division so it isn’t really a sob story because it’s a fair reflection of where we are and where we should be. What I would say is that McKenna is right in his reflections (as he so often is) - for whatever reason we are still a team finding our feet at the level, integrating new players and trying new things out. Our front four is full of young and supremely talented individuals who are doing different things than what they’ve had to do previously and will be better for the experience and I think our general defending (and goalkeeping) is much improved. I really do see players and the general team getting better and it’s testament to good coaching and general management that they are still putting in confident and competitive performances like yesterday.
I come on here and it feels like a bit of a doomsday mood when I just don’t share that same negativity at all (and also feel that the general mood of fans at the game yesterday reflects my opinion on that). Relegation will be sad but definitely isn’t anywhere near the end of the road and you’d fancy whoever we have in charge (hopefully McKenna but who knows) would have a very good young squad to have a real crack at the Championship with next year. |  | | |  |
| Where we are at on 10:58 - Mar 9 with 3802 views | LankHenners |
Bang on, there are definitely games where we’ve left points out there, and a couple of areas of recruitment where we could have done better, but on the whole I’m reasonably comfortable in the assertion that the main reason we’re where we are is because most of the other teams are just better than us.
People don’t seem to like that for some reason and prefer to be self-hating and negative all the time which I find stupid really. We’ve waited so long to have this season and some have spent the whole time wetting their pants about everything which is a shame really.
The whole club has moved on so much and will be better for this experience whatever happens over the summer. We won’t have the momentum we had last season but if anyone thinks we won’t be competing right at the top end of the league next year (assuming we are relegated) then they’ll be in for a (very pleasant) surprise. |  |
| |
| Where we are at on 11:04 - Mar 9 with 3779 views | Dubtractor |
Didn't see yesterday, but agree with everything else about your post.
This season has been tough going, especially being on the wrong side of fine margins so often. We deserve more points than we have, but are still comfortably in the 4 'worst' teams in the division, and nothing about that should surprise anyone.
But we're still in good place as a club, even after relegation, especially when you consider what we've witnessed since the 2002 relegation. I made my peace with relegation after the Southampton game (which everyone was very much justified in being upset with!), and can't get myself too worked up by anything from this point.
I'm hugely optimistic for the future, and I'm confident that next season will be another good one, just need to get this one out of the way first! |  |
| |
| Where we are at on 16:52 - Mar 9 with 3480 views | Steve_M |
Yes, I'm very much with that. I came out of the ground a bit frustrated with another very marginal defeat when we probably deserved at least a point - but only in complete recognition of the fact that when that happens as often as it has this season it's not just unlucky, we aren't quite good enough.
I had a quick look on here last night, was bemused, rather than surprised, by the level of negativity and then went out. |  |
| |
| Where we are at on 16:58 - Mar 9 with 3415 views | FrimleyBlue |
Imo. We had the game where we needed it. The win was there for the taking. But instead we did the same like for like subs and the game ends up going against us. |  |
| |
| Where we are at on 17:00 - Mar 9 with 3424 views | Meadowlark |
I totally agree. I think everyone is a bit down after a defeat, and especially a defeat that follows the same pattern. We think we can snatch a win, we think we can hold on for a draw, but we end up with nothing. It's goals that count. We all know that.
I like the fact that McKenna always looks for the positives. I wish I was more like him. |  | | |
| Where we are at on 17:02 - Mar 9 with 3403 views | billlm |
We've just come up short in some games ,
Have we completed and been there in most yes,
We will go down,
Something terribly wrong( no divine right footballs football) if we're not a front runner,
We should look a very good footballing side in the championship,
We had a lot of luck last year, we've had none this, so next season 50/50 should be ample, |  | | |
| Where we are at on 17:21 - Mar 9 with 3324 views | bluelagos |
You the Jake I briefly chatted with on the way to the station?
Spot on comments btw. The negatively, entitlement and lack of perspective of many on here is something else and not reflected by many who attend in person. |  |
| |
| Where we are at on 17:25 - Mar 9 with 3275 views | bournemouthblue |
We are the 18th best side with the 20th best budget, it feels a disappointment but we are still over performing in truth |  |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Where we are at on 17:32 - Mar 9 with 3212 views | victorysquad |
The fans were great again yesterday, and I agree the players and the fans are still very much joined up. Nobody yesterday could say the players did not give their all, and I think you can say the same for the fans. |  |
| |
| Where we are at on 17:33 - Mar 9 with 3210 views | JakeITFC |
| Where we are at on 17:21 - Mar 9 by bluelagos |
You the Jake I briefly chatted with on the way to the station?
Spot on comments btw. The negatively, entitlement and lack of perspective of many on here is something else and not reflected by many who attend in person. |
Yes mate, hope your journey home was ok. | | | |
| Where we are at on 17:35 - Mar 9 with 3183 views | olimar |
| Where we are at on 10:58 - Mar 9 by LankHenners |
Bang on, there are definitely games where we’ve left points out there, and a couple of areas of recruitment where we could have done better, but on the whole I’m reasonably comfortable in the assertion that the main reason we’re where we are is because most of the other teams are just better than us.
People don’t seem to like that for some reason and prefer to be self-hating and negative all the time which I find stupid really. We’ve waited so long to have this season and some have spent the whole time wetting their pants about everything which is a shame really.
The whole club has moved on so much and will be better for this experience whatever happens over the summer. We won’t have the momentum we had last season but if anyone thinks we won’t be competing right at the top end of the league next year (assuming we are relegated) then they’ll be in for a (very pleasant) surprise. |
Agree with your point about how long weve waited to be here- if youd asked any ITFC fan at any point in the last 15 years or so about their hopes of one day being back in the PL, it would have been an unlikely dream.
So for us to finally get back there feels in itself something to welcome and recognise, rather than not want to be there because its all a bit difficult.
Also, think fans always need to find a clear reason for failure that they can point to, because it makes it easier to feel like it can be resolved/fixed. i.e. the recruitment policy was wrong, certain players are responsible. When sometimes the reality is that its a whole series of issues and we basically arent quite good enough- which isnt easily or immediately fixable necessarily. | | | |
| Where we are at on 17:36 - Mar 9 with 3165 views | TractorWood |
| Where we are at on 17:21 - Mar 9 by bluelagos |
You the Jake I briefly chatted with on the way to the station?
Spot on comments btw. The negatively, entitlement and lack of perspective of many on here is something else and not reflected by many who attend in person. |
I am oddly seeing lost of entitlement that we are going to walk the championship next year. I think some are in for a shock.
Delap will go, Cajuste and Philips won't want to play championship and will return. Morsy will be 34, Luongo 33, Hirst is quality but made of hobnobs. Burns and Ognene have long term injuries.
To think we are just going to walk an incredibly competitive league with a squad where the spine is unfamiliar is fantasy. [Post edited 9 Mar 17:38]
|  |
| |
| Where we are at on 17:42 - Mar 9 with 3118 views | LankHenners |
| Where we are at on 17:36 - Mar 9 by TractorWood |
I am oddly seeing lost of entitlement that we are going to walk the championship next year. I think some are in for a shock.
Delap will go, Cajuste and Philips won't want to play championship and will return. Morsy will be 34, Luongo 33, Hirst is quality but made of hobnobs. Burns and Ognene have long term injuries.
To think we are just going to walk an incredibly competitive league with a squad where the spine is unfamiliar is fantasy. [Post edited 9 Mar 17:38]
|
Where is all this supposed entitlement that we're going to 'walk the Championship'? I think I've seen more posts from you personally dismissing it than people actually saying it.
Are we going to be under a transfer embargo in the summer then? | |
| |
| Where we are at on 17:44 - Mar 9 with 3102 views | TractorWood |
| Where we are at on 17:42 - Mar 9 by LankHenners |
Where is all this supposed entitlement that we're going to 'walk the Championship'? I think I've seen more posts from you personally dismissing it than people actually saying it.
Are we going to be under a transfer embargo in the summer then? |
I'm calling it out early and frequently. On this very thread:
Something terribly wrong( no divine right footballs football) if we're not a front runner,
We should look a very good footballing side in the championship, | |
| |
| Where we are at on 17:45 - Mar 9 with 3103 views | JakeITFC |
| Where we are at on 17:36 - Mar 9 by TractorWood |
I am oddly seeing lost of entitlement that we are going to walk the championship next year. I think some are in for a shock.
Delap will go, Cajuste and Philips won't want to play championship and will return. Morsy will be 34, Luongo 33, Hirst is quality but made of hobnobs. Burns and Ognene have long term injuries.
To think we are just going to walk an incredibly competitive league with a squad where the spine is unfamiliar is fantasy. [Post edited 9 Mar 17:38]
|
Central midfield and central striker the obvious place to spend money in the summer and I think we can and will regardless of division.
Even if we lose some of our Crown Jewels on relegation, a starting point of the below seems not unrealistic and a very solid base:
Palmer
Johnson Woolfenden Greaves Townsend
Morsy Taylor
Philogene Szmodics Clarke
Hirst | | | |
| Where we are at on 17:45 - Mar 9 with 3100 views | Funge |
Feeling this post, and a lot of the replies below.
Lots and lots I don't like about the Prem in general, and there's certainly questions to be asked about elements of our recruitment this year - but, categorically, this team is still trying; it's obvious that they're still 'with' McKenna.
Apologies for talking in such vague forms - I don't really like banging on about 'heart', 'desire' etc; - but if, as seems sadly pretty likely now, we go down, you'd have to say we'd be best placed of the current bottom 3 to give it a good go next year.
This league is so, so tough. |  | | |
| Where we are at on 17:49 - Mar 9 with 3077 views | Herbivore |
| Where we are at on 17:44 - Mar 9 by TractorWood |
I'm calling it out early and frequently. On this very thread:
Something terribly wrong( no divine right footballs football) if we're not a front runner,
We should look a very good footballing side in the championship, |
They're not saying we're going to walk the Championship. If you're going to interpret any positivity about our chances next season if we go down as people saying we're going to walk the Championship then that's a bit silly, isn't it? |  |
| |
| Where we are at on 17:56 - Mar 9 with 3029 views | benrhyddingblue |
Nice to read a post that is a fair reflection of where we are and our season. The negativity from some - and from some it has been incessant - has almost forced me away from here. Thanks for bringing a bit of sanity back. | | | |
| Where we are at on 17:57 - Mar 9 with 3028 views | LankHenners |
| Where we are at on 17:44 - Mar 9 by TractorWood |
I'm calling it out early and frequently. On this very thread:
Something terribly wrong( no divine right footballs football) if we're not a front runner,
We should look a very good footballing side in the championship, |
That's not saying we're going to walk the league though is it. We should be confident that we're going to be fighting at the top end of the league. Ashton will, McKenna will (if he's still here).
The one part where I do sort of side with your caution is that I slightly worry fans will expect to go back to winning most weeks again and we get unnecessarily edgy atmospheres at times. Unavoidable in a way though I suppose, will be more pressure to succeed next year than last. | |
| |
| Where we are at on 17:57 - Mar 9 with 3024 views | TractorWood |
| Where we are at on 17:49 - Mar 9 by Herbivore |
They're not saying we're going to walk the Championship. If you're going to interpret any positivity about our chances next season if we go down as people saying we're going to walk the Championship then that's a bit silly, isn't it? |
'There is something terribly wrong if weren't not a front runner'
That is fantasy to me with the likely comings and goings and age/injury record of the players that got us here.
Will McKenna be here? Who knows? If he is, will his big money signings come good?
I'm not sure we know enough to be carte blanch positive. | |
| |
| Where we are at on 18:06 - Mar 9 with 2970 views | Herbivore |
| Where we are at on 17:57 - Mar 9 by TractorWood |
'There is something terribly wrong if weren't not a front runner'
That is fantasy to me with the likely comings and goings and age/injury record of the players that got us here.
Will McKenna be here? Who knows? If he is, will his big money signings come good?
I'm not sure we know enough to be carte blanch positive. |
They caveated it by basically saying nothing is certain (no divine right in football), which you've conveniently ignored.
It's also a fact we'll be one of the favourites for promotion, the bookies will have us top 3 or 4 in their odds when they come out, ergo we will be seen as a front runner.
That you feel otherwise doesn't change that, and that people pointing out we'll be amongst the favourites is very different to saying we're going to walk the league shouldn't even need pointing out. [Post edited 9 Mar 18:07]
| |
| |
| Where we are at on 18:12 - Mar 9 with 2928 views | brogansnose |
| Where we are at on 17:45 - Mar 9 by Funge |
Feeling this post, and a lot of the replies below.
Lots and lots I don't like about the Prem in general, and there's certainly questions to be asked about elements of our recruitment this year - but, categorically, this team is still trying; it's obvious that they're still 'with' McKenna.
Apologies for talking in such vague forms - I don't really like banging on about 'heart', 'desire' etc; - but if, as seems sadly pretty likely now, we go down, you'd have to say we'd be best placed of the current bottom 3 to give it a good go next year.
This league is so, so tough. |
If we do go down, which is likely, then I'd feel more confident of coming back up than S'hampton and Leicester. Naturally, none of us give a toss about them but from a financial aspect we should , with parachute payments and sales, be able to re set ourselves and push to come back up again and not ignoring that lots could happen that conspire against us doing that . |  | | |
| Where we are at on 18:21 - Mar 9 with 2881 views | TractorWood |
| Where we are at on 18:06 - Mar 9 by Herbivore |
They caveated it by basically saying nothing is certain (no divine right in football), which you've conveniently ignored.
It's also a fact we'll be one of the favourites for promotion, the bookies will have us top 3 or 4 in their odds when they come out, ergo we will be seen as a front runner.
That you feel otherwise doesn't change that, and that people pointing out we'll be amongst the favourites is very different to saying we're going to walk the league shouldn't even need pointing out. [Post edited 9 Mar 18:07]
|
There is a seismic difference between be up there in the odds market at the start of the season and our fan base expecting it. You know this but are conveniently ignoring. Lots of happy clappers talk about entitlement in the fan base.
This is entitlement in plain sight. Anyone who thinks in March we are just going be in the mix next year because we are massive in a league where our otherwise best effort is basically scraping playoffs once a decade has probably forgotten the 20 years of drawing with Wednesday et al. I certainly haven't. | |
| |
| Where we are at on 18:24 - Mar 9 with 2862 views | pointofblue |
| Where we are at on 18:12 - Mar 9 by brogansnose |
If we do go down, which is likely, then I'd feel more confident of coming back up than S'hampton and Leicester. Naturally, none of us give a toss about them but from a financial aspect we should , with parachute payments and sales, be able to re set ourselves and push to come back up again and not ignoring that lots could happen that conspire against us doing that . |
It feels like, first and foremost, every move we made was futureproofing us should we be relegated. I'm not sure if the same can be said of Leicester and Southampton - I think there will be more churn at both compared to us, even though we will have to look at central midfield and who's going to join our striker ranks alongside Hirst. | |
| |
| Where we are at on 18:36 - Mar 9 with 2810 views | BarcaBlue |
| Where we are at on 18:24 - Mar 9 by pointofblue |
It feels like, first and foremost, every move we made was futureproofing us should we be relegated. I'm not sure if the same can be said of Leicester and Southampton - I think there will be more churn at both compared to us, even though we will have to look at central midfield and who's going to join our striker ranks alongside Hirst. |
Both Leicester and Southampton will be looking for new managers you'd feel. Important we can hold on to McKenna as the players he's brought in seem very much in his style and the continuity / development should stand us in good stead if / when we go down.
I don't think it's quite clear yet which players we'll lose, and which we'll try to move on. Delap seems to be the only one we can really be sure of at the moment. |  | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
