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talking about overcoaching almost being a disease in the game, making games very dull and players being afraid to do things off the cuff. Almost no passion anymore in the premier league and everything micro managed and analysed. I remember someone yesterday on here saying that about us and McKenna yesterday. Do people think that some managers today, would actually criticise players for doing something that wasn't planned, even if it resulted in a goal?
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 20:51 - Apr 6 with 3344 views
Yes. Guardiola wants to score perfect goals. He doesn't like making subs as he thinks his plan should work and there should be no need. That kind of mindset is just pathetic.
Russell Martin and Enzo Maresca obsessed with possession and controlling the game. Maresca has gradually ground all of the attacking intent out of Chelsea.
For some it seems pure football is controlling the ball even if it goes nowhere. It's incredibly dull.
City could score lots of goals in most games but they pass it around the edge of the box looking for that perfect chance.
He's got a point but it isn't half hypocritical when you consider what his reaction would have been if United were playing front foot football and leaving gaps like they often do, allowing City to pick them apart like they have in years gone by. He'd have been ripping into them.
Hard to disagree with that. Grealish is a good example of it, had so much swag and licence to express himself when he first came through at Villa. I can’t remember the last time I saw him beat his man.
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 21:27 - Apr 6 with 3167 views
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 20:51 - Apr 6 by J2BLUE
Yes. Guardiola wants to score perfect goals. He doesn't like making subs as he thinks his plan should work and there should be no need. That kind of mindset is just pathetic.
Russell Martin and Enzo Maresca obsessed with possession and controlling the game. Maresca has gradually ground all of the attacking intent out of Chelsea.
For some it seems pure football is controlling the ball even if it goes nowhere. It's incredibly dull.
City could score lots of goals in most games but they pass it around the edge of the box looking for that perfect chance.
Didzy said it best. The Prem is full of robots.
They’re plenty of flair and imagination in the PL but the players are so physical and strong that that in itself makes their skill look robotic.
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 21:36 - Apr 6 with 3086 views
I’ve not heard anyone talk about that but I’ve been of that view for a while. The percentage stat men are ruining the game. It’s football by numbers half the time and we get identikit football. It’s fine when it works, but you get a lot of teams who aren’t quite good enough then just resorting to constantly recycling the ball backwards to ‘start again’. But they don’t have the skill or bravery to do something to penetrate and break the lines. It makes for boring possession in the middle of the pitch. See also working the ball across the box but not being prepared to ‘gamble’ with a shot or cross in case you give the ball away.
Whether it's an age thing who knows. But I remember I could sit through 6 hours of football on a Sunday 12pm - 6pm (pre kids granted). But now barely 10 minutes passes whereby I want to switch it over or look at my phone. It's all so scripted, especially us. Every single pass is so obvious.
Kinkladze Le Tiss Bergkamp Henry Cantona Di Canio Zola Berbatov Hazard Joe Cole (pre Mourinho)
Just some of the players that would get coached the life out of them in 2025. Henry would be asked to track back 80 yards and so on.
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 21:54 - Apr 6 with 2946 views
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 21:17 - Apr 6 by _clive_baker_
Hard to disagree with that. Grealish is a good example of it, had so much swag and licence to express himself when he first came through at Villa. I can’t remember the last time I saw him beat his man.
In their cup game against Bournemouth Grealish jinked inside a couple of defenders and had a relatively clear strike at goal from the edge of the box where he'd 100% have had a go if he were at Villa but instead passed sideways and kept the ball moving.
Remember watching the first City match Marmoush played in where he had a couple of fairly ambitious shots and had a pop rather than pass which led to his teammates having a go and the commentator remarking that he'd soon learn that that wasn't how they do things at City.
Conversely it was interesting reading an interview with Iraola a few weeks back where he explicitly stated that he wanted his players to try things and do something off the cuff as he saw that as a way of unsettling defences and keeping themselves unpredictable.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 21:39 - Apr 6 by DinnernotTea
Whether it's an age thing who knows. But I remember I could sit through 6 hours of football on a Sunday 12pm - 6pm (pre kids granted). But now barely 10 minutes passes whereby I want to switch it over or look at my phone. It's all so scripted, especially us. Every single pass is so obvious.
Kinkladze Le Tiss Bergkamp Henry Cantona Di Canio Zola Berbatov Hazard Joe Cole (pre Mourinho)
Just some of the players that would get coached the life out of them in 2025. Henry would be asked to track back 80 yards and so on.
No big surprise that Ibrahimovich didn't last long at Barcelona with Guardiola.
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 22:53 - Apr 6 with 2676 views
Something that really does my head in, is say a team in losing and there is a few minutes left, they're just passing it between their centre backs for ages. YOU NEED A GOAL!!! haha
As someone said above, Grealish is a perfect example. at Villa, he was very creative, presumably had a license to do what he wanted. You watch him at man city and he might run down the line, check back and pass it back. Its all a bit boring really.
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 23:30 - Apr 6 with 2579 views
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 22:03 - Apr 6 by LankHenners
In their cup game against Bournemouth Grealish jinked inside a couple of defenders and had a relatively clear strike at goal from the edge of the box where he'd 100% have had a go if he were at Villa but instead passed sideways and kept the ball moving.
Remember watching the first City match Marmoush played in where he had a couple of fairly ambitious shots and had a pop rather than pass which led to his teammates having a go and the commentator remarking that he'd soon learn that that wasn't how they do things at City.
Conversely it was interesting reading an interview with Iraola a few weeks back where he explicitly stated that he wanted his players to try things and do something off the cuff as he saw that as a way of unsettling defences and keeping themselves unpredictable.
I was just surprised that Grealish didn't fall over, having gotten that close to the box.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 06:43 - Apr 7 by tcblue
I don't disagree but also wanted to take this opportunity to say Neville definitely didn't over coach Valencia
This is why punditry(outside of a notable few) is such a farcical job. People like Neville, Shearer Famous Roy and now, Rooney criticising the tactics of managers with infinitely more ability than themselves.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 07:56 - Apr 7 by BlueBadger
This is why punditry(outside of a notable few) is such a farcical job. People like Neville, Shearer Famous Roy and now, Rooney criticising the tactics of managers with infinitely more ability than themselves.
Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous take. Football management and punditry are totally different.
Punditry is all about personal opinions and commentary, often without actually being directly involved in the outcome. Coaching/ Management involves a lot more direct responsibility such as leadership, tactics and decision making.
Totally different skill set.
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:19 - Apr 7 with 1833 views
The Premier league is 80% boring. The 20% of highlights make it seem like one of the worlds greatest leagues , and maybe it is to those who can sit through the 80% of frustration
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:33 - Apr 7 with 1780 views
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 07:56 - Apr 7 by BlueBadger
This is why punditry(outside of a notable few) is such a farcical job. People like Neville, Shearer Famous Roy and now, Rooney criticising the tactics of managers with infinitely more ability than themselves.
Seems a bit ironic to post something like this on a forum full of nobodies. If the former pro pundits have no right to criticise then I think we are wasting our time
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:33 - Apr 7 with 1777 views
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:19 - Apr 7 by muccletonjoe
The Premier league is 80% boring. The 20% of highlights make it seem like one of the worlds greatest leagues , and maybe it is to those who can sit through the 80% of frustration
Hasn’t football always been like that? I’m in my forties and I don’t ever recall going to a match thinking that I’m definitely going to be entertained- yes, some entertaining moments but not flat out classic viewing.
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:41 - Apr 7 with 1730 views
The Manchester derby yesterday was an absolute bore fest. I turned it off half time, so predictable, lacking individuality and genuine moments of inspiration. You just wonder with someone like Paul Gascoigne how he would get on these days? His individual brilliance would that be coached out of him with that incessant need to retain the ball, passing it backwards and sideways?
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:33 - Apr 7 by MattinLondon
Hasn’t football always been like that? I’m in my forties and I don’t ever recall going to a match thinking that I’m definitely going to be entertained- yes, some entertaining moments but not flat out classic viewing.
.. and you still go ? Before premier league I can remember many outstanding games at portman road which you couldn't take your eyes off. Maybe the nearest example in recent years was v southampton last season.
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Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:48 - Apr 7 with 1686 views
Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 21:39 - Apr 6 by DinnernotTea
Whether it's an age thing who knows. But I remember I could sit through 6 hours of football on a Sunday 12pm - 6pm (pre kids granted). But now barely 10 minutes passes whereby I want to switch it over or look at my phone. It's all so scripted, especially us. Every single pass is so obvious.
Kinkladze Le Tiss Bergkamp Henry Cantona Di Canio Zola Berbatov Hazard Joe Cole (pre Mourinho)
Just some of the players that would get coached the life out of them in 2025. Henry would be asked to track back 80 yards and so on.
Henry when he went to Barcelona said the same thing, he was told to hug the touchline and not move 5 yards away from it, he has subsequently said it killed his game and didn't overly enjoy his role at Barca under Guardiola.
FWIW I totally agree, it's so robotic, go forward, recycle, try again, go back to the keeper. When was the last time we saw a player get you off the edge of your seat?
And the worst thing is, every club thinks this is the way it should be played, it's painful to watch and makes the whole spectacle a complete yawn fest.
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