| So a woman is a biological female then…. 14:46 - Apr 16 with 22162 views | itfcjoe |
…I don’t dare look on social media for how this news has been taken by both sides of the debate.
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:15 - Apr 16 with 8226 views | MattinLondon |
I’m sure both sides will be respectful of each others position, listening to each other’s arguments in a grown-up manner…….
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:15 - Apr 16 with 8219 views | BLUEGOLD |
A sensible ruling. |  | | |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:31 - Apr 16 with 8112 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Which means that two important situations are now clarified:
A person with a penis can't assert female gender in order to serve a sentence in a women's prison.
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A person with a penis can't assert female gender in order to gain access to a protected female space, such as a women's refuge.
What it doesn't mean is that we can be anything other than respectful to trans people, including referring to them by their pronouns of choice. | | | |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:31 - Apr 16 with 8101 views | vapour_trail |
I suspect Phil has just headed into his bunker. |  |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:34 - Apr 16 with 8064 views | BLUEGOLD |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:31 - Apr 16 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Which means that two important situations are now clarified:
A person with a penis can't assert female gender in order to serve a sentence in a women's prison.
And
A person with a penis can't assert female gender in order to gain access to a protected female space, such as a women's refuge.
What it doesn't mean is that we can be anything other than respectful to trans people, including referring to them by their pronouns of choice. |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:35 - Apr 16 with 8075 views | BlueBadger |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:31 - Apr 16 by vapour_trail |
I suspect Phil has just headed into his bunker. |
Phil, in about 2 hours' time:
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:35 - Apr 16 with 8075 views | Mullet |
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-women-scotland-supre
A fairly good write up here, I think the point about things being overstated in the coming days is a good one.
A mate of mine who’s non binary was posting about how it was a good decision - but I guess the radical elements of the trans community will be the voices shared more widely. Schools will be a good litmus test for a few things too I suspect. |  |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:35 - Apr 16 with 8067 views | itfcjoe |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:15 - Apr 16 by MattinLondon |
I’m sure both sides will be respectful of each others position, listening to each other’s arguments in a grown-up manner…….
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Should never have got this far, Govts of both colours have had the opportunity to sort this out without the need for it to go to court....the debate could be 5 years further ahead than it is.
People merely stating 'Trans Women are Women' was never a valid position to work from, it needs careful thought and legislation not an attempt to just pretend it is that simplistic | |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:40 - Apr 16 with 8038 views | BlueBadger |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:35 - Apr 16 by Mullet |
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-women-scotland-supre
A fairly good write up here, I think the point about things being overstated in the coming days is a good one.
A mate of mine who’s non binary was posting about how it was a good decision - but I guess the radical elements of the trans community will be the voices shared more widely. Schools will be a good litmus test for a few things too I suspect. |
This is probably the most important thing to stress here:
'Lord Hodge stressed that trans people are still protected under the Equality Act from discrimination and harassment.'
Not that that will stop The Male Writer Robert Galbraith from spreading transphobia all over the place. | |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:41 - Apr 16 with 8003 views | BlueBadger |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:31 - Apr 16 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Which means that two important situations are now clarified:
A person with a penis can't assert female gender in order to serve a sentence in a women's prison.
And
A person with a penis can't assert female gender in order to gain access to a protected female space, such as a women's refuge.
What it doesn't mean is that we can be anything other than respectful to trans people, including referring to them by their pronouns of choice. |
Sadly, that won't stop the likes of The Male Writer Robert Galbraith. | |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:43 - Apr 16 with 7984 views | lowhouseblue |
it's the equalitY act - which is what the supreme court was asked to rule on. in terms of rights in this area the equality act is the most significant piece of legislation and the supreme court ruling now gives a settled legal definition of a woman for the purposes of that act. the ruling has also emphatically reiterated the rights and protections for trans people provided by the same act. women, legally defined, benefit from sex based protections, which is what parliament always intended, and while trans people cannot claim those same sex based protections they do benefit from protections from discrimination and harassment associated with having transitioned.
it is interesting though that in the past posting on here the very words from the thread title might well have got someone called a transphobe. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:50 - Apr 16 with 7870 views | Tonytown |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:43 - Apr 16 by lowhouseblue |
it's the equalitY act - which is what the supreme court was asked to rule on. in terms of rights in this area the equality act is the most significant piece of legislation and the supreme court ruling now gives a settled legal definition of a woman for the purposes of that act. the ruling has also emphatically reiterated the rights and protections for trans people provided by the same act. women, legally defined, benefit from sex based protections, which is what parliament always intended, and while trans people cannot claim those same sex based protections they do benefit from protections from discrimination and harassment associated with having transitioned.
it is interesting though that in the past posting on here the very words from the thread title might well have got someone called a transphobe. |
Really, I’m as woke as it comes and I fully agree with this ruling. | | | |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:53 - Apr 16 with 7821 views | Ryorry |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:50 - Apr 16 by Tonytown |
Really, I’m as woke as it comes and I fully agree with this ruling. |
Might be wrong, but I think his last para reference is primarily to one poster who's now banned. |  |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:55 - Apr 16 with 7796 views | Trequartista |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:40 - Apr 16 by BlueBadger |
This is probably the most important thing to stress here:
'Lord Hodge stressed that trans people are still protected under the Equality Act from discrimination and harassment.'
Not that that will stop The Male Writer Robert Galbraith from spreading transphobia all over the place. |
If you still think JK Rowling is transphobic after this ruling, you haven't learnt a thing |  |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:56 - Apr 16 with 7772 views | BlueBadger |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:55 - Apr 16 by Trequartista |
If you still think JK Rowling is transphobic after this ruling, you haven't learnt a thing |
If you ignore all the transphobia that Rob's done, he's totally not a transphobe. | |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:59 - Apr 16 with 7698 views | J2BLUE |
A victory for common sense.
Most people have nothing against trans people. The radical extremists have done nothing to help trans people.
As someone said above, trans people are still protected by law and so they should be. |  |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 17:00 - Apr 16 with 7651 views | J2BLUE |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:41 - Apr 16 by BlueBadger |
Sadly, that won't stop the likes of The Male Writer Robert Galbraith. |
You can't possibly be this stupid. | |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 17:09 - Apr 16 with 7561 views | MattinLondon |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:56 - Apr 16 by BlueBadger |
If you ignore all the transphobia that Rob's done, he's totally not a transphobe. |
JK Rowing isn’t transphobic. | | | |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 17:15 - Apr 16 with 7486 views | blueasfook |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 17:00 - Apr 16 by J2BLUE |
You can't possibly be this stupid. |
Ohhh he can. |  |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 17:16 - Apr 16 with 7477 views | lowhouseblue |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 17:09 - Apr 16 by MattinLondon |
JK Rowing isn’t transphobic. |
indeed, and, as the court of appeal recently emphasised, labelling people who hold 'gender critical' views as 'transphobes' is discriminatory stereotyping. so he needs to be careful where he does it. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 17:23 - Apr 16 with 7390 views | RIPbobby |
Did the judge do the Mick Dundee test? Isn't life complicated when some think that men are women and women are men? And some are a bit of both? |  | | |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 17:40 - Apr 16 with 7212 views | WD19 |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 16:34 - Apr 16 by BLUEGOLD |
Bang on |
Don’t they just….. |  | | |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 18:30 - Apr 16 with 6965 views | lowhouseblue |
| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 17:16 - Apr 16 by lowhouseblue |
indeed, and, as the court of appeal recently emphasised, labelling people who hold 'gender critical' views as 'transphobes' is discriminatory stereotyping. so he needs to be careful where he does it. |
in response to the down arrow, if the court of appeal isn't good enough for you, how about the ehrc guidance (which in turn was endorsed by the court)?:
"One particular species of [direct discrimination] in which an employee's holding or manifesting their belief might have a significant influence on their treatment is through the putative discriminator's adoption of a stereotype. In such a case, although the reason for the treatment given by the employer is not the protected characteristic, it is nonetheless positively relied on by the claimant. The claimant argues that the decision-maker has, consciously or unconsciously, adopted a stereotype and was significantly influenced by it in deciding on the treatment complained of i.e. on the basis that the claimant would share the perceived attributes of the group, rather than relying on evidence about the particular individual. If that is so then the treatment will be 'because of' the protected characteristic.
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In relation to religion or belief, a decision-maker will accordingly discriminate where the reason given for the treatment is significantly influenced, consciously or unconsciously, by a stereotype that persons who hold or manifest the relevant belief will share attributes of a group which they might not in fact possess. Examples of stereotypes in relation to religion or belief explicitly recognised in the case law [include] that persons who hold/manifest certain gender-critical beliefs have animus towards trans persons " | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| So a woman is a biological female then…. on 19:05 - Apr 16 with 6817 views | OldFart71 |
I'm sure a majority of them are chuffed. | | | |
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