| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… 19:44 - Aug 2 with 7140 views | SitfcB |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:35 - Aug 2 with 818 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:28 - Aug 2 by FrimleyBlue |
How is it an assumption. It's literally what KM has told us
Look at the way he explains broadhead. Who let's face it is in the exact same situation. Maybe even more so as Wrexham have bid pretty much what you'd imagine we would be happy to sell him for..
One player got on the plane and done his job
The other.... |
Not sure KM said it was Omari’s decision not to travel. You’ve assumed that.
Just as likely, if not more so, that it was KM that decided he wasn’t mentally right to be part of it. |  |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:35 - Aug 2 with 812 views | BarcaBlue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:28 - Aug 2 by FrimleyBlue |
How is it an assumption. It's literally what KM has told us
Look at the way he explains broadhead. Who let's face it is in the exact same situation. Maybe even more so as Wrexham have bid pretty much what you'd imagine we would be happy to sell him for..
One player got on the plane and done his job
The other.... |
It's not the exact same situation. One is 35 to 40 million, the other is 7.5. Massive difference in protecting assets and who's to say Broadhead was happy to get on the plane. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. He played 15 pretty insignificant minutes anyway. |  | | |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:37 - Aug 2 with 789 views | Churchman |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:26 - Aug 2 by JammyDodgerrr |
Honestly it's one of those frustrating ones, and as fans we feel we are "owed" a certain level of loyalty, when in reality we aren't, and the players almost certainly don't think of it that way. They know football is short.
Realistically, I think we were probably all expecting him to go so it won't be surprising to see it happen - but it will be disappointing if it happens. Explains why Broadhead didn't go ahead. |
No, we are not. But he owes curtesy and duty towards the club and to his playing colleagues. In other words to give his best until he moves on. Is that too much to ask?
As for short career, that’s a bit of a cliche for me. I’ve no idea what the man is on but let’s say over the last two years he’s been paid on average £15k a week. That means £1.5m over two years plus something just under £4m guaranteed over the next four years. Conservative estimated given he signed a contract as a Premier League player.
So basically, unless he does the horses or worse, he’s realistically set up for life. He deserves it and worth what he is paid. It’s the market. No problem, but I don’t buy the ‘short career angle’ when it comes to top end footballers. [Post edited 2 Aug 22:54]
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:39 - Aug 2 with 763 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:35 - Aug 2 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Not sure KM said it was Omari’s decision not to travel. You’ve assumed that.
Just as likely, if not more so, that it was KM that decided he wasn’t mentally right to be part of it. |
He said it was Omari’s choice not to travel. According to Phil’s report, ‘Omari Hutchinson “didn’t feel mentally in the right place” to travel with the squad for this evening’s friendly against Auxerre in France’.
(None of us were there, so it may have a joint decision, but KM did lay the decision at Omari’s door. And Frimmers is right that KM is normally pretty honest and up front about such things).
FWIW [Post edited 2 Aug 21:43]
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:40 - Aug 2 with 756 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:35 - Aug 2 by BarcaBlue |
It's not the exact same situation. One is 35 to 40 million, the other is 7.5. Massive difference in protecting assets and who's to say Broadhead was happy to get on the plane. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. He played 15 pretty insignificant minutes anyway. |
Broadhead may have been fuming about getting on the plane. But he did it. And done his job that he gets paid for. Massive credit to him. He's close to a move back home, could have got injured and wrecked any chance of a move.
I applaud your efforts in trying to defend hutch. But it's clear as day what's happens and the way KM has spoken of the two players shows it. Imo trying to argue it another way is simply to go against the grain. |  |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:42 - Aug 2 with 746 views | mrshallisfit |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 19:53 - Aug 2 by victorysquad |
If we get £37.5 million for him i would bite their arm off
He is not that good! £37.5m is a lot of money….. |
You've got to be to soend it though, haven't you. We are struggling to do that present. |  | | |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:43 - Aug 2 with 732 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:35 - Aug 2 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Not sure KM said it was Omari’s decision not to travel. You’ve assumed that.
Just as likely, if not more so, that it was KM that decided he wasn’t mentally right to be part of it. |
he didn’t feel mentally in the right place to come for the game - KM
If KM decided instead You can sure he'd have said ' i didn't feel it was right for him to be involved | |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:49 - Aug 2 with 686 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 19:57 - Aug 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Considering KM advised that hutch told him he wasn't in the right place to play then yeah I take that as hutch told him . Imo KM wouldn't have had an issue saying " i felt hutch wasn't in the right place" if KM felt it |
This is unfortunately so characteristic of many of our fans - read some things that were said, interpret it in a particular way based on many assumptions and then mould those ‘created’ conclusions into a true and absolute representation of what has been said/happened privately.
None of us know how the discussion went between KmK & Hutch, who said what and who concluded that it was better for him not to be involved in the game. Those criticising Hutch right now are doing it based on speculation and assumptions that have been fabricated into a true and absolute account of the situation. | | | |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:50 - Aug 2 with 684 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:43 - Aug 2 by FrimleyBlue |
he didn’t feel mentally in the right place to come for the game - KM
If KM decided instead You can sure he'd have said ' i didn't feel it was right for him to be involved |
Fair enough. Stand corrected.
However, suggest you walk away from the keyboard for a half hour, have a brew and compose yourself a bit Frimmers. I can literally feel your anger on this thread and you’ve been a delight to deal with of late, (and that’s from me!!)
Really don’t want to see you go too far the other way again, would be a real shame. Just take a breath. | |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:51 - Aug 2 with 672 views | pointofblue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:43 - Aug 2 by FrimleyBlue |
he didn’t feel mentally in the right place to come for the game - KM
If KM decided instead You can sure he'd have said ' i didn't feel it was right for him to be involved |
Exactly.
If McKenna is laying this at Omari's door it means he doesn't want to protect him, which suggests he isn't impressed with Omari's approach. Especially bearing in mind Woolfenden has supposedly entered a transfer request and Wrexham have offered Broadhead a (presumed) chance of first time football yet both travelled and played today. | |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:57 - Aug 2 with 633 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:49 - Aug 2 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This is unfortunately so characteristic of many of our fans - read some things that were said, interpret it in a particular way based on many assumptions and then mould those ‘created’ conclusions into a true and absolute representation of what has been said/happened privately.
None of us know how the discussion went between KmK & Hutch, who said what and who concluded that it was better for him not to be involved in the game. Those criticising Hutch right now are doing it based on speculation and assumptions that have been fabricated into a true and absolute account of the situation. |
So you're saying ignore what KM has said and interpret it instead into a different discussion and then KM lied after the game
Gaffa I feel fine
I'm not sure you are i don't think you should come
But I want to
No no I don't feel you should
But I get paid and want to play
No no it's best you don't, your heads not right
' he didn't feel mentally in the right place to come ' | |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:57 - Aug 2 with 635 views | BarcaBlue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:49 - Aug 2 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This is unfortunately so characteristic of many of our fans - read some things that were said, interpret it in a particular way based on many assumptions and then mould those ‘created’ conclusions into a true and absolute representation of what has been said/happened privately.
None of us know how the discussion went between KmK & Hutch, who said what and who concluded that it was better for him not to be involved in the game. Those criticising Hutch right now are doing it based on speculation and assumptions that have been fabricated into a true and absolute account of the situation. |
Indeed. Maybe the decision not to travel came from Omari, maybe from the manager, maybe from higher up or maybe a consensus of opinions. | | | |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:58 - Aug 2 with 619 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:43 - Aug 2 by FrimleyBlue |
he didn’t feel mentally in the right place to come for the game - KM
If KM decided instead You can sure he'd have said ' i didn't feel it was right for him to be involved |
Hutch “Hey boss, I was really looking forward to playing in the last pre-season game, but I’m really confused right now with all the transfer interest. I really want to play in the PL, but I also learn so much from you and the other coaches and truly believe we’ll be back in the PL next season. I don’t know what to do - I’m really struggling to keep my mind on the game. What should I do?”
KmK “That’s ok lad - you have an important decision to make, and we’re here to help you choose the right direction for you, and the club. You sit out on Friday, and take some time to think it over and come speak with me some more on Monday.” | | | |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:58 - Aug 2 with 617 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:50 - Aug 2 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Fair enough. Stand corrected.
However, suggest you walk away from the keyboard for a half hour, have a brew and compose yourself a bit Frimmers. I can literally feel your anger on this thread and you’ve been a delight to deal with of late, (and that’s from me!!)
Really don’t want to see you go too far the other way again, would be a real shame. Just take a breath. |
Yep fair enough. Cheers :) | |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:00 - Aug 2 with 596 views | WicklowBlue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 19:48 - Aug 2 by BarcaBlue |
I don't think it's necessary to believe exactly what McKenna says in all his press conferences. Sounds more to me like he's about to be sold and there's no point playing or risking him. Assuming negotiations are still taking place nobody ay the club would come right out and say it.
It's just manager speak for he's off. I wouldn't read much more into it than that. |
Not sure why you are getting downvotes for this. It's pretty much the norm to take players who are subject to bids out of the spotlight. IF Omari leaves that is a really substantial amount of funds to reinvest, much better to shield him rather than him getting injured as other have today. |  | | |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:03 - Aug 2 with 569 views | LankHenners |
Unfortunately this will be an agent-driven negotiation tactic to get the big money move for his client. Seen it happen with bigger profile players already this summer.
Can't imagine Omari wants to invite the inevitable reaction to this but he'll have had his representatives in his ear telling him what he has to do to get what he wants. |  |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:03 - Aug 2 with 557 views | pointofblue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 21:58 - Aug 2 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Hutch “Hey boss, I was really looking forward to playing in the last pre-season game, but I’m really confused right now with all the transfer interest. I really want to play in the PL, but I also learn so much from you and the other coaches and truly believe we’ll be back in the PL next season. I don’t know what to do - I’m really struggling to keep my mind on the game. What should I do?”
KmK “That’s ok lad - you have an important decision to make, and we’re here to help you choose the right direction for you, and the club. You sit out on Friday, and take some time to think it over and come speak with me some more on Monday.” |
Maybe you're right but I honestly think McKenna would have presented it slightly differently if it'd been along these lines, rather then laying it entirely at Omari's door.
Edit: Making it make sense. [Post edited 2 Aug 22:11]
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:05 - Aug 2 with 537 views | ipswichtillidie |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:03 - Aug 2 by pointofblue |
Maybe you're right but I honestly think McKenna would have presented it slightly differently if it'd been along these lines, rather then laying it entirely at Omari's door.
Edit: Making it make sense. [Post edited 2 Aug 22:11]
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:07 - Aug 2 with 525 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:00 - Aug 2 by WicklowBlue |
Not sure why you are getting downvotes for this. It's pretty much the norm to take players who are subject to bids out of the spotlight. IF Omari leaves that is a really substantial amount of funds to reinvest, much better to shield him rather than him getting injured as other have today. |
He's not subject to bid though ... He was subject to a bid over two weeks ago!
He might be the subject of a bid over the entirety of the next month, should he be withdrawn from the spotlight until September? | | | |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:13 - Aug 2 with 459 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:03 - Aug 2 by pointofblue |
Maybe you're right but I honestly think McKenna would have presented it slightly differently if it'd been along these lines, rather then laying it entirely at Omari's door.
Edit: Making it make sense. [Post edited 2 Aug 22:11]
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It’s been suggested Hutch ‘downed tools’. Maybe he did. But that is NOT what KmK is quoted as having said. It could have as easily been a two way conversation, where after talking with KmK and taking his advice, Hutch decided his head wasn’t in the right place to travel.
That is not him ‘downing tools.’
It’s taking advice from his (understanding) boss, and making the decision not to travel whilst he makes a (potentially) life changing decision.
It’s all down to subtle differences in emphasis. And we have nowhere near enough factual information to come to an informed conclusion. | | | |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:19 - Aug 2 with 394 views | BarcaBlue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:07 - Aug 2 by Bellevue_Blue |
He's not subject to bid though ... He was subject to a bid over two weeks ago!
He might be the subject of a bid over the entirety of the next month, should he be withdrawn from the spotlight until September? |
This is the thing though, we really don't know where negotiations might be, we don't know what conversations have been had, what offer might have been accepted and not yet reported, and until we do it's all assumption and conjecture and accusations of downing tools, throwing toys out of a pram, and pure guesswork and premature til things get clearer. | | | |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:27 - Aug 2 with 336 views | Pinewoodblue |
I have sympathy for players who find themselves in a position where they have to make a difficult decision but lack the personal experience needed to weigh up their options
The attitude of fans doesn't help. We are currently on the wrong end with both Hutchinson & Hackney.. Those fans currently unhappy would be ecstatic if Hackney had decided to join and Hutch decided his immediate future was here.
Hutch needs a mentor and Ashley Young , for me, would fit perfectly. Shame that only one of them travelled to Auxerre.
What Hutch needs to do is forget about a transfer this window give 100% to the cause and who knows he might then be such a hot property that much bigger clubs than Brentford will come knocking on the door in January.
We might need the money for a striker in January window. |  |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:30 - Aug 2 with 304 views | pointofblue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:13 - Aug 2 by SuffolkPunchFC |
It’s been suggested Hutch ‘downed tools’. Maybe he did. But that is NOT what KmK is quoted as having said. It could have as easily been a two way conversation, where after talking with KmK and taking his advice, Hutch decided his head wasn’t in the right place to travel.
That is not him ‘downing tools.’
It’s taking advice from his (understanding) boss, and making the decision not to travel whilst he makes a (potentially) life changing decision.
It’s all down to subtle differences in emphasis. And we have nowhere near enough factual information to come to an informed conclusion. |
"Omari, with the speculation around his future at the moment, he didn’t feel mentally in the right place to come for the game,” McKenna said when asked about Hutchinson after the match.
“It’s a challenging situation for everyone. He’s a player that we love and we support and we have empathy with the year that he’s been through and this important moment in his career.
“But also the career have the right for their position as well. We’ll keep working and communicating on that situation as well and hopefully it’ll be the best resolution for the club and for the player.”
I assume the "career" at the start of the final paragraph should be "club". If so, it suggests there is a disagreement between the Omari is not playing because of it. "Downing tools" might be harsh but it seems pretty clear he said he didn't want to play today. | |
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| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:34 - Aug 2 with 258 views | WicklowBlue |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:07 - Aug 2 by Bellevue_Blue |
He's not subject to bid though ... He was subject to a bid over two weeks ago!
He might be the subject of a bid over the entirety of the next month, should he be withdrawn from the spotlight until September? |
To directly answer your question, IF there are moves in the background that potentially see Omari leave for 35m+ then yes. Why scupper the deal for the player and a payday for the club? Do I care whether Omari played in a pre-season friendly, no not one jot. | | | |
| A shame Hutchinson is choosing to go out like this… on 22:37 - Aug 2 with 221 views | Smoresy |
We fans are loyal to the club and to players who play well, and to those few who have delivered so much success that we can forgive them not playing well for a limited period of time. We aren't loyal to those who we've judged to be below the grade, or unable to meet it any more, whether they work hard or not, whether they're "home grown" or not. We want those players consigned to history sharpish.
It doesn't surprise me therefore that players are professionals first and foremost, prioritising their own careers and happiness above notions of loyalty or feels. And Omari is employing the now widespread techniques of his colleagues by the sound of things, which have been found successful in the industry, rather than behaving outside those norms. I don't feel strongly towards him one way or another really.
I would love us to smash the power that players and agents hold in today's market though: the unbridled forces that have led reliably to fans' costs and players' wages climbing ever higher and higher. And more clubs following the Leeds-Gnonto path would surely help quell some of the player disorder that has established itself. | | | |
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