| Toxicity 08:31 - Aug 3 with 5408 views | FlittonBlue |
Am I alone in thinking things are going to turn pretty toxic very quickly this season if we dont get off to a good start? Seems like all the goodwill deservedly earned over the last 3 season has been drained over the last 12 months and anything negative gets 10 times the attention anything positive (like beating a French top division side 3-0 away) receives.
Maybe its just the usual internet vibe but boy do we need a good start to knock it on the head |  | | |  |
| Toxicity on 11:39 - Aug 3 with 973 views | Bobbychase |
| Toxicity on 11:24 - Aug 3 by darkhorse28 |
Yeah, agree completely.
Nothing worse than a rump who’d think only their opinion is valid, and post the same point over and over, and over, and can’t allow any deviation from their narrow view.
They’re like little fascists in echo chambers, just confirming their bias .., and shouting ‘Daasn’ a lot.
The ‘this is progress’ self preservation narrative hasn’t aged well, that’s not to say we won’t have a great season.
It’s just it was always a complete load of self preservation nonsense.
Our key players have all left or leaving, we haven’t planned for key roles we’ve known need replacing for 2 years, during which time we spent £150 million.
It’s hardly all doom and gloom, a huge amount to also be positive about….., but you might want to leave some room for critical thinking, and objective evaluation.
Because our own owners, have validated those issues raised, and we are up for sale, and selling £100 million of player inventory.
So as of tens is the case…., you didn’t have any balance or objectivity, just your need to control a narrative and be tribal and play the man not the issue.
Maybe start with an apology to all those people you attacked when they said all our best players would leave.
Delap, Cajuste, Hutchinson, Broadhead, Tuenzabe, Butgess, Morsy.
Will be fantastic to get Cajuste back if it happens, he’s a level above this league.
But that’s our best 5 or 6 players.
And we have 1 player who’s never kicked a competitive ball for us, for two key CDM roles…, after years of recruitment and hundreds of millions invested.
We could get 100 points, and get promoted doing hand stands, and that’s still AWFUL strategic planning, contingency, talent ID and not how to run a professional football club…, at any level.
It’s so poor.
But you don’t get it do you, you’d rather be wrong and try to get a thumbs up on a football forum, than understand any issue.
That’s where you differ from some of those you try to control.
Maybe the RY care more about the club, the issue, than your need for validation.
Ashton has been really poor the last 18 months, and KM is looking increasingly like a very talented coach, who lacks some of the skills to be an elite manager.
Just my opinion.
But if true, we can’t be elite without addressing the elephants in the room…, and elite isn’t EFL football, where I think you’d rather be facing Forest Green, than the difficult and frank conversations required, to be elite.
Our club is better than where are at this current time.
When the owners sell, hopefully we’ll get football people, that call out KM’s weaknesses and get him the support he needs, so if he wants to be on the pitch all the time, he can, and we can still do talent ID, strategic and contingency planning, at levels WAY above this mess.
Because no midfield in a squad this size, worths hundreds of millions is a string blue as to the challenges. |
McKenna presiding over a mess eh.
Lots of points one could make but you talk about Broadhead as if he has already gone, and also mention Morsy as one of our best players. He certainly was and we will miss his leadership, but Azor already looks an upgrade and we know from last season that Morsy's influence is less in the Prem than the Championship so getting a younger player in that role is progress. It would make zero sense to keep Morsy as we'd have to replace him in the summer if we went up anyway. |  |
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| Toxicity on 11:39 - Aug 3 with 972 views | bsw72 |
| Toxicity on 09:50 - Aug 3 by LeoMuff |
Many of the demoted clubs start slowly, lots of player turn over, change of pace from prem, hangover from getting battered, it would not be a surprise if it happens to us.
Would be ridiculous if people did get angsty as the season is a long one and plenty of time to make up ground. |
Point of order. Teams are relegated, not demoted.
Demotion is an internal action within a hierarchical structure, generally impacting an individual while relegation is an organizational/league-level consequence for poor performance. |  | | |
| Toxicity on 11:41 - Aug 3 with 969 views | Trequartista |
I think there's just some frustration because we've discovered that players don't want to play for us because we're in the Championship, when we assumed they might come because we were initially favourites to go back up. Delap, Tuenzebe, Hutchinson, Hackney, Guiu, and now Azon. Maybe Cajuste will buck the trend.
As with all social media it will be carnage if we lose at Birmingham and the exact opposite if we win, despite there being 135 more points to play for. |  |
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| Toxicity on 11:52 - Aug 3 with 905 views | urbanpenguin |
| Toxicity on 11:41 - Aug 3 by Trequartista |
I think there's just some frustration because we've discovered that players don't want to play for us because we're in the Championship, when we assumed they might come because we were initially favourites to go back up. Delap, Tuenzebe, Hutchinson, Hackney, Guiu, and now Azon. Maybe Cajuste will buck the trend.
As with all social media it will be carnage if we lose at Birmingham and the exact opposite if we win, despite there being 135 more points to play for. |
I suspect there may be 132 more points to play for, not 135 - the way Sheffield Wednesday are headed. Sadly. |  | | |
| Toxicity on 20:48 - Aug 12 with 733 views | FlittonBlue |
Looks like it took 9 days!! | | | |
| Toxicity on 20:49 - Aug 12 with 703 views | ITFC_84 |
| Toxicity on 20:48 - Aug 12 by FlittonBlue |
Looks like it took 9 days!! |
Yep, we’re almost there aren’t we… | | | |
| Toxicity on 20:55 - Aug 12 with 638 views | Blue_Moses |
| Toxicity on 20:49 - Aug 12 by ITFC_84 |
Yep, we’re almost there aren’t we… |
I think people are well within their right to offer criticism if we lose to Bromley reserves | | | |
| Toxicity on 20:56 - Aug 12 with 599 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Toxicity on 11:36 - Aug 3 by Benters |
‘Toxic’.
If we do go a bit wobbly at the start of the season there may be some tutting or some sharp intaking of breath,we don’t do ‘toxic’ here.. |
Hey! We can eye-roll with the best of them. |  |
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| Toxicity on 20:58 - Aug 12 with 568 views | DavoIPB |
| Toxicity on 20:55 - Aug 12 by Blue_Moses |
I think people are well within their right to offer criticism if we lose to Bromley reserves |
Don't know what Kieran is mulling over on his iPad thingy, we look like we have no idea how to play decent attacking football. | | | |
| Toxicity on 21:00 - Aug 12 with 533 views | ITFC_84 |
| Toxicity on 20:55 - Aug 12 by Blue_Moses |
I think people are well within their right to offer criticism if we lose to Bromley reserves |
Completely agree! | | | |
| Toxicity on 21:01 - Aug 12 with 507 views | Swansea_Blue |
The problem is probably the massive expectation. We’d convinced ourselves we’d be invincible with all these top level Championship players, but they’re not looking like to level layers right now. We secured two successive promotions off the back of being a well-drilled unit punching above our weight. That’s gone too, both many of those players and the cohesiveness.
There are signs we could be in trouble. Hopefully we can turn that around pretty quickly otherwise yes it will soon get toxic. |  |
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| Toxicity on 21:08 - Aug 12 with 465 views | TractorWood |
| Toxicity on 21:01 - Aug 12 by Swansea_Blue |
The problem is probably the massive expectation. We’d convinced ourselves we’d be invincible with all these top level Championship players, but they’re not looking like to level layers right now. We secured two successive promotions off the back of being a well-drilled unit punching above our weight. That’s gone too, both many of those players and the cohesiveness.
There are signs we could be in trouble. Hopefully we can turn that around pretty quickly otherwise yes it will soon get toxic. |
Perhaps an abstract view but it's a good time have a ropey patch. We can still transact. Move players on, get players in.
We've always finished seasons like a train with KMcK as he assembles and motivates the tree and the decorations. If I'm being brutally honest I think we have far too many decorations and a new tree that looks pretty disjointed.
We've never started a championship season with universal expectation. It's a very different dynamic. Wouldn't surprise me if we don't bounce straight back. [Post edited 12 Aug 21:09]
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| Toxicity on 21:10 - Aug 12 with 442 views | ITFCSG |
Didn't take fans too long to yell at Morsy during the 0-0 draw at Bristol Rovers back in L1.
If this $hitshow start of the season continues I am sure similar scenes will happen again. Or worse, remember what happened at The Valley pre-KM?
How can this be the much vaulted "Championship All-Stars" team?
Continue playing like this and Saints will wipe the floor with us on Sunday. I watched the Saints-Wrexham game. they may be poor but nowhere as bad as this. | | | |
| Toxicity on 21:11 - Aug 12 with 421 views | J2BLUE |
| Toxicity on 08:35 - Aug 3 by homer_123 |
Generally, not just football fans, people seem to have lost the ability to be objective. We are veering to extremes, be it positive or negative. Nuance, debate, objectivity are waning.
I say that but it’s not so much that these abilities have disappeared, but that the environments that once rewarded them are increasingly crowded out by ones that reward the opposite: such as speed, certainty, and emotional impact.
Not helped by short form communication and echo chambers.
As I say, not just football. |
Brilliant post. Exactly this. |  |
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| Toxicity on 21:26 - Aug 12 with 373 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Toxicity on 08:35 - Aug 3 by homer_123 |
Generally, not just football fans, people seem to have lost the ability to be objective. We are veering to extremes, be it positive or negative. Nuance, debate, objectivity are waning.
I say that but it’s not so much that these abilities have disappeared, but that the environments that once rewarded them are increasingly crowded out by ones that reward the opposite: such as speed, certainty, and emotional impact.
Not helped by short form communication and echo chambers.
As I say, not just football. |
tldr?
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| Toxicity on 21:27 - Aug 12 with 369 views | Vic |
| Toxicity on 11:36 - Aug 3 by Benters |
‘Toxic’.
If we do go a bit wobbly at the start of the season there may be some tutting or some sharp intaking of breath,we don’t do ‘toxic’ here.. |
Don't go into the chat room at the moment then |  |
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| Toxicity on 14:59 - Aug 14 with 208 views | Libero |
| Toxicity on 11:27 - Aug 3 by Libero |
There's certainly a lot of entitlement rattling around our fan-base currently, I don't think being favourites for promotion helps.
What Gamechanger, McKenna and Ashton have done and continue to do is absolutely incredible, our club has been taken from a situation where we were dying slowly for twenty+ years, to where we're competing for Premier League players, bringing through some of the best young talent in the UK, have finances backing us that are somewhat unrivalled for a club of our size and a packed stadium every week of people who want to see us play.
We're living in the good old days, but you don't know it's the good old days until they're gone.
All that being said, I do fear that if we don't get off to a good start that vocal morons will behave in a way that cuts our nose off to spite our face - just look at Muric being booed in pre-season... |
Just giving this a little bump, I fear I may be Nostradamus on this matter... |  | | |
| Toxicity on 15:08 - Aug 14 with 173 views | itfc_statman |
There's a big gap between over-expectant, toxic fans and those being critical because we played god-awful against a team promoted from League One and then managed to perform even worse against bl**dy Bromley | | | |
| Toxicity on 15:13 - Aug 14 with 164 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Toxicity on 14:59 - Aug 14 by Libero |
Just giving this a little bump, I fear I may be Nostradamus on this matter... |
Was Muric actually booed in pre-season? There aren’t enough facepalms to do that justice. | |
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| Toxicity on 15:18 - Aug 14 with 152 views | HighgateBlue |
I've mouthed off about our performances in both games so far. And yes, if nothing gets better, it's gonna be hell on here.
But let's be positive about the future. Cajuste, Akpom, Azon all to come in. Hopefully some of the injured players back before too too long. And with no sizeable transfer fees paid out in a little while, and still over a fortnight left in the window, you never know what other surprises there might be. |  | | |
| Toxicity on 15:19 - Aug 14 with 145 views | positivity |
| Toxicity on 11:36 - Aug 3 by Benters |
‘Toxic’.
If we do go a bit wobbly at the start of the season there may be some tutting or some sharp intaking of breath,we don’t do ‘toxic’ here.. |
are you new here? suggest you stay off twitter if you want to keep that view! | |
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| Toxicity on 15:41 - Aug 14 with 116 views | lazyblue |
If we just get behind the lads Sunday and lift them then perhaps the usual cup exit and the cauldron of the league 1 champions match won’t seem so bad . | | | |
| Toxicity on 15:43 - Aug 14 with 105 views | Libero |
| Toxicity on 15:13 - Aug 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Was Muric actually booed in pre-season? There aren’t enough facepalms to do that justice. |
Aye, he was - very poor form. | | | |
| Toxicity on 16:07 - Aug 14 with 77 views | Vaughan8 |
10 games is a decent (and fair) judgement on the start of the season. I'd say if we are anywhere near the bottom, and lost ot Norwich then yes things may get Toxic.
I think a lot of fans will give them a bit of leeway until the end of the window etc but we've got to perform a lot better at home.
The first 2 are arguably some of the toughest games, but after than we've got a "good run" of teams you'd expect us to beat. | | | |
| Toxicity on 16:14 - Aug 14 with 57 views | Somersetractor |
Toxicity on TWTD by a minority that seemingly take over at times, yes. But we have to remember they are a tiny fraction of our fanbase who choose to express themselves in this way. I take consolation in this when I find myself staring into their emotional cesspit. | | | |
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