| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight 09:00 - Aug 12 with 5346 views | carlisleaway |
That’s what Londoners get by voting in a dodgy mayor |  | | |  |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:31 - Aug 12 with 600 views | giant_stow |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 14:42 - Aug 12 by Pendejo |
With regards to London Licensed Hackney (aka Taxi) drivers, their mafia like influence on TfL/PCO has come back to bite them.
One of the rules (of many) is that the London Taxi is not allowed to look like a "normal" vehicle, then there's the turning circle. These rules have largely kept out effective manufacturer competition which means there's pretty much a monopoly that dictates prices.
Mercedes tried to enter market with Vito, adding rear wheel steer to get the turning circle these vehicles are problematic, we ditched them years ago.
So you're left with;-
Diesel engined LTI which will all soon be too old to licence
LEVC Vista which is electric driven with a range extending 1.5 petrol engine
Taxi drivers are C Charge exempt, and if vehicle is Wheelchair Accessible ULEZ exempt
Private Hire drivers, equally working class, have had way more restrictions on them for longer; age restrictions, C Charge and now Emissions have long since had to upgrade, all because of the Taxi mafia trying to price them out of existence.
Along came Uber with their financial might offering a far better service, and they fund most of the cars, only adding EV since 01/01/25 & offering deals to tempt drivers out of older cars.
BTW I have 4 x 69 plate LEVC & 3 x Ford Pro cab WAV on 68 plates if anyone's interested. DM with email & my carefully crafted PowerPoint can be yours |
(Years back, my Dad had a Vito to get his wheelchair in the back - I hated driving it - it hurt my foot to use the accelerator and people kept trying to flag my down for a fare. )
Carry on... |  |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:42 - Aug 12 with 553 views | southey |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 13:45 - Aug 12 by urbanpenguin |
Tradespeople and cabbies earn on average a lot more than I do in the cultural sector and those in what I presume you would call the "middle classes" - so I'm not really sure what your point is. Are you stating that people who drive old and polluting vehicles are upset they need to not polute?
Did you also know that pollution is a class issue, as all health inequality is. Poorer and less mobile people are far more impacted by pollution than others. |
I think you're missing the reality of what many working people are facing on the ground.
While some tradespeople and cab drivers can earn decent money, that doesn’t mean they’re all financially secure. Within a five-mile radius of the stadium tonight, I can show you countless people I know who are struggling mainly due to the high cost of replacing their cabs or vans. Upgrading to a compliant vehicle hasn’t been affordable. It’s pushed some into debt or forced people I know to retrain later in life, often earning far less than they were before.
As for pollution being a class issue I completely agree. But that’s exactly why these policies need to be fairly implemented. Many people around Bromley, and London as a whole especially those who’ve lived here for 30 or 40+ years or were born here have suffered through having to change their vehicles during an already tough economic time. Support should have been far stronger for those who couldn’t just afford to replace their old vehicles. |  | | |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:42 - Aug 12 with 552 views | Herbivore |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:30 - Aug 12 by lowhouseblue |
what a weak and weaselly attempt to worm away from what you've posted. there is no example of me using 'false equivalence' and so we get your next level of nonsense - now apparently i'm 'supporting false equivalence in debate'. so, show me anything i've posted that 'supports false equivalence in debate'. anything?? what does that even mean. show me any form of 'support' - nods and winks, smoke signals, anything? no, of course not, because you can't.
you seem to think that disagreeing with and challenging you in itself amounts to unacceptable rhetorical tricks. it's genuinely pathetic. 'false equivalence', 'disingenuous', 'dishonesty' are just your code words for arguments you're incapable of countering.
you're challenged for examples and you never have any. if you think i misrepresent you - show me examples. if i show up your logic, show me why i'm wrong. that's how debate works. editorialising and name calling really aren't alternatives. |
I've given you examples from this very thread and in your very next post you misrepresented what was actually said AGAIN. You can't help yourself at this point. You've fallen down a rabbit hole and are completely lost to honesty and decency, and now, it seems, to basic comprehension as well.
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:46 - Aug 12 with 527 views | Plums |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:42 - Aug 12 by southey |
I think you're missing the reality of what many working people are facing on the ground.
While some tradespeople and cab drivers can earn decent money, that doesn’t mean they’re all financially secure. Within a five-mile radius of the stadium tonight, I can show you countless people I know who are struggling mainly due to the high cost of replacing their cabs or vans. Upgrading to a compliant vehicle hasn’t been affordable. It’s pushed some into debt or forced people I know to retrain later in life, often earning far less than they were before.
As for pollution being a class issue I completely agree. But that’s exactly why these policies need to be fairly implemented. Many people around Bromley, and London as a whole especially those who’ve lived here for 30 or 40+ years or were born here have suffered through having to change their vehicles during an already tough economic time. Support should have been far stronger for those who couldn’t just afford to replace their old vehicles. |
So the issue isn't the ULEZ but the lack of support for people to replace older vehicles. I can't disagree with that but they aren't the same thing.
It would be genuinely interesting to hear about some of the specific examples you cite though e.g. a plumber who has had to retrain etc.
Vandalising the infrastructure meaning even more cash is needed to pay for it really isn't the answer either. [Post edited 12 Aug 15:52]
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:48 - Aug 12 with 514 views | Plums |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 14:42 - Aug 12 by Pendejo |
With regards to London Licensed Hackney (aka Taxi) drivers, their mafia like influence on TfL/PCO has come back to bite them.
One of the rules (of many) is that the London Taxi is not allowed to look like a "normal" vehicle, then there's the turning circle. These rules have largely kept out effective manufacturer competition which means there's pretty much a monopoly that dictates prices.
Mercedes tried to enter market with Vito, adding rear wheel steer to get the turning circle these vehicles are problematic, we ditched them years ago.
So you're left with;-
Diesel engined LTI which will all soon be too old to licence
LEVC Vista which is electric driven with a range extending 1.5 petrol engine
Taxi drivers are C Charge exempt, and if vehicle is Wheelchair Accessible ULEZ exempt
Private Hire drivers, equally working class, have had way more restrictions on them for longer; age restrictions, C Charge and now Emissions have long since had to upgrade, all because of the Taxi mafia trying to price them out of existence.
Along came Uber with their financial might offering a far better service, and they fund most of the cars, only adding EV since 01/01/25 & offering deals to tempt drivers out of older cars.
BTW I have 4 x 69 plate LEVC & 3 x Ford Pro cab WAV on 68 plates if anyone's interested. DM with email & my carefully crafted PowerPoint can be yours |
How dare you bring inconvenient, evidence based facts to a frothy social media-driven argument? | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:52 - Aug 12 with 487 views | bluester |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:42 - Aug 12 by southey |
I think you're missing the reality of what many working people are facing on the ground.
While some tradespeople and cab drivers can earn decent money, that doesn’t mean they’re all financially secure. Within a five-mile radius of the stadium tonight, I can show you countless people I know who are struggling mainly due to the high cost of replacing their cabs or vans. Upgrading to a compliant vehicle hasn’t been affordable. It’s pushed some into debt or forced people I know to retrain later in life, often earning far less than they were before.
As for pollution being a class issue I completely agree. But that’s exactly why these policies need to be fairly implemented. Many people around Bromley, and London as a whole especially those who’ve lived here for 30 or 40+ years or were born here have suffered through having to change their vehicles during an already tough economic time. Support should have been far stronger for those who couldn’t just afford to replace their old vehicles. |
There was a scrappage scheme wasn't there? I'm not sure what else could have been done. Also, the majority of Londoners are in favour, so you can talk about the reality on the ground, but the fact is, its a popular policy in London as a whole.
Also, what do you mean by working people out of interest? Most people in London of a working age are working people. | | | |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:07 - Aug 12 with 451 views | lowhouseblue |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:42 - Aug 12 by Herbivore |
I've given you examples from this very thread and in your very next post you misrepresented what was actually said AGAIN. You can't help yourself at this point. You've fallen down a rabbit hole and are completely lost to honesty and decency, and now, it seems, to basic comprehension as well.
Enjoy your afternoon. |
i haven't misrepresented anything here. i have disagreed with you. you seem unable to understand the difference between those two things. all you seem able to do is throw around pejorative labels and police discussion rather than respond to challenges to your views. you come across as a one person encapsulation of much that is wrong with the online world - people don't disagree with you because they have different views but because they are dishonest, disingenuous, have fallen down a rabbit hole, are indecent etc etc. what a world view. why don't you just try debating stuff instead - put yourself out there and actually engage with other people's views? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:11 - Aug 12 with 453 views | Herbivore |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:07 - Aug 12 by lowhouseblue |
i haven't misrepresented anything here. i have disagreed with you. you seem unable to understand the difference between those two things. all you seem able to do is throw around pejorative labels and police discussion rather than respond to challenges to your views. you come across as a one person encapsulation of much that is wrong with the online world - people don't disagree with you because they have different views but because they are dishonest, disingenuous, have fallen down a rabbit hole, are indecent etc etc. what a world view. why don't you just try debating stuff instead - put yourself out there and actually engage with other people's views? |
Everyone can see what you do except you it seems.
Enjoy your afternoon. | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:18 - Aug 12 with 431 views | lowhouseblue |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:11 - Aug 12 by Herbivore |
Everyone can see what you do except you it seems.
Enjoy your afternoon. |
again, and as always, editorialising and attacking the legitimacy of anyone who disagrees with you rather than engaging with different views. you're a one trick pony alas. it's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:19 - Aug 12 with 423 views | Herbivore |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:18 - Aug 12 by lowhouseblue |
again, and as always, editorialising and attacking the legitimacy of anyone who disagrees with you rather than engaging with different views. you're a one trick pony alas. it's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming. |
Enjoy your afternoon. | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:22 - Aug 12 with 404 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:05 - Aug 12 by southey |
By and large, the ULEZ expansion hasn’t been a popular policy among working-class people in the parts of London I mentioned. Hence the protests in places like Biggin Hill and Orpington. I’d encourage you to visit the outskirts where I live and work and spend time with the same people I do — in areas like Bromley, Bexley, Croydon, and Harrow. Many have had to replace their work or personal vehicles at great expense and are still struggling because of it now.
If you're coming to Bromley tonight, I'd be more than happy to introduce you to people who have been directly and negatively affected by the ULEZ expansion. |
I live in Croydon and haven't heard a peep out of anyone complaining about ULEZ... other than a few loudmouths on Nextdoor. But these are largely, in my experience, people who just like to moan, don't actually know how few cars are affected, and/or don't like Khan (for unrelated reasons to this). I don't know anyone who's had to replace their vehicle.
My old car had wind-up windows ...but was still exempt from ULEZ. The idea that it's a big problem for lots of people doesn't stand up to scrutiny. [Post edited 12 Aug 16:27]
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:26 - Aug 12 with 386 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 15:42 - Aug 12 by southey |
I think you're missing the reality of what many working people are facing on the ground.
While some tradespeople and cab drivers can earn decent money, that doesn’t mean they’re all financially secure. Within a five-mile radius of the stadium tonight, I can show you countless people I know who are struggling mainly due to the high cost of replacing their cabs or vans. Upgrading to a compliant vehicle hasn’t been affordable. It’s pushed some into debt or forced people I know to retrain later in life, often earning far less than they were before.
As for pollution being a class issue I completely agree. But that’s exactly why these policies need to be fairly implemented. Many people around Bromley, and London as a whole especially those who’ve lived here for 30 or 40+ years or were born here have suffered through having to change their vehicles during an already tough economic time. Support should have been far stronger for those who couldn’t just afford to replace their old vehicles. |
"countless people I know who are struggling mainly due to the high cost of replacing their cabs or vans."
I simply don't believe this. | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:29 - Aug 12 with 369 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Oh you tease, TWTD is clearly going to be pro SIR Sadiq Khan, it's basically sponsored by the Guardian at this point.
I just hope Phil has a site traffic kickback deal! |  |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:30 - Aug 12 with 357 views | Plums |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:26 - Aug 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"countless people I know who are struggling mainly due to the high cost of replacing their cabs or vans."
I simply don't believe this. |
I have asked for examples... | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:54 - Aug 12 with 305 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:29 - Aug 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Oh you tease, TWTD is clearly going to be pro SIR Sadiq Khan, it's basically sponsored by the Guardian at this point.
I just hope Phil has a site traffic kickback deal! |
Well i guess it's different your good old MAGA forums |  | | |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:55 - Aug 12 with 304 views | NewcyBlue |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 09:28 - Aug 12 by Guthrum |
Surprising how many vehicles are exempt. My 13-year-old 1.6L petrol people carrier is. |
I’m told I can easily get a certificate of conformance for my 4.0l V8.
In town it does 14mpg! It’s fabulous! |  |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:58 - Aug 12 with 288 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:54 - Aug 12 by reusersfreekicks |
Well i guess it's different your good old MAGA forums |
Why would I need those, you guys keep me very informed on that topic as well ;)
i am being serious, Phil is missing a financial trick! | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 17:04 - Aug 12 with 259 views | positivity |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:26 - Aug 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"countless people I know who are struggling mainly due to the high cost of replacing their cabs or vans."
I simply don't believe this. |
don't be harsh, some people just can't count very high! | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 17:44 - Aug 12 with 199 views | BlueBadger |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 11:51 - Aug 12 by textbackup |
Didn’t realise air stayed in the same place. |
Imagine being this keen to announce e to the world how dim you are. |  |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 17:47 - Aug 12 with 195 views | BlueBadger |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:29 - Aug 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Oh you tease, TWTD is clearly going to be pro SIR Sadiq Khan, it's basically sponsored by the Guardian at this point.
I just hope Phil has a site traffic kickback deal! |
Imagine being this keen to admit in public that you'd inject yourself with bleach and horse dewormer to cure covid [Post edited 12 Aug 17:51]
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 17:56 - Aug 12 with 163 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 16:29 - Aug 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Oh you tease, TWTD is clearly going to be pro SIR Sadiq Khan, it's basically sponsored by the Guardian at this point.
I just hope Phil has a site traffic kickback deal! |
Or it's just normal people who like factual stuff.
Talking of which, where is Factual these days? | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 18:35 - Aug 12 with 110 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 17:47 - Aug 12 by BlueBadger |
Imagine being this keen to admit in public that you'd inject yourself with bleach and horse dewormer to cure covid [Post edited 12 Aug 17:51]
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Oh lighten up. | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 18:36 - Aug 12 with 108 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 17:56 - Aug 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Or it's just normal people who like factual stuff.
Talking of which, where is Factual these days? |
Ah yes, the Guardian is 100% factual with no bias or political leanings whatsoever! | |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 18:37 - Aug 12 with 106 views | MK1 |
Can we keep politics off the football threads please. |  |
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| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 18:58 - Aug 12 with 59 views | VanSaParody |
| Don’t forget to pay ULEZ car charges if driving to Bromley tonight on 09:04 - Aug 12 by Mullet |
Good news for Londoners here too |
I notice lies are up by about 80bn% |  | | |
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