| This place is fooking awful at the moment 11:09 - Sep 17 with 6504 views | Dubtractor |
Truly unbearable.
Parking the question of who is right or wrong, it is a perfect microcosm of the way that we have all been divided into tribes by the people with hands on the levers of power in recent years. Brexit is the most obvious example here, but there are loads more, and it's very evidently a deliberate ploy to divide populations into things they disagree about rather than unite on the things they agree on. The USA over the last decade is obviously another good example.
I try my hardest not to get sucked in, but it's becoming increasingly hard to just ignore stuff that I find almost upsetting at times.
Think im going to go football only on here for a bit. Which is a shame, as I do value seeing different views to challenge my world view.
Appreciate that this is a bit of a look at me post, but wanted to be able to vent a bit.
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| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 17:57 - Sep 17 with 687 views | Mullet |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 17:37 - Sep 17 by J2BLUE |
Thank god he's gone, let's all talk about him. |
Nah let’s talk about decent music now he’s gone |  |
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| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 17:57 - Sep 17 with 687 views | reusersfreekicks |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 13:54 - Sep 17 by Luk38644 |
I’m fully aware of his views, he’s a typical traditional American Christian conservative who I watched alot of prior to his death – I didn’t say I hold the same views as him, I just said I’m to the right of centre and some of my views align with his on certain topics, so when he’s being called a fascist/racist/bigot etc; upon his death for holding certain views I agree with along with being the same age and same position in life as I am, it’s a bit of a worry.
That’s exactly the sort of language that needs to stop because to me & you, we can differentiate between right and wrong and, but all it takes is one nutcase to feel ‘justified’ for it to turn into a murder. |
With respect
This shows you aren't
He said overtly racist things!! |  | | |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 18:02 - Sep 17 with 641 views | reusersfreekicks |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 16:07 - Sep 17 by Clapham_Junction |
Really? I find this place a much more pleasant environment for political debates than Twitter or Facebook, where racism is openly allowed. Here you see people posting nonsense and bigotry get called out, dissected and rebutted, which is what I suspect makes political discussions on here deeply uncomfortable for some posters, as they aren't used to being challenged. |
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| I suspect that.... on 18:07 - Sep 17 with 600 views | peterleeblue |
| I suspect that.... on 14:49 - Sep 17 by PhilTWTD |
Many years ago in the fanzine, when singing sections were first mooted, a friend of mine posited the introduction of a fighting section for those who wished to partake in football hooliganism. Not sure this isn't dissimilar.
When we introduced the two tabs, at the request of those who were only interested in football, there was opposition as a lot of posters felt the Forum would lose its 'soul' if it was split into sections. As it was, we managed to have our Battenburg and eat it by having the split as we do where you can opt one way or the other or view both. Not sure we'd really want any more specific sections. Think the Forum goes through phases and obviously there are a couple of big news stories which are prominent at the moment, are interlinked and on which posters evidently hold differing views. |
Back in the day I really liked the idea of a hooligan section.
If you paid for your ticket in there you could scrap until your hearts content. What entertainment that would have been as an alternative to the Duncan years. |  | | |
| I suspect that.... on 18:19 - Sep 17 with 547 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I suspect that.... on 14:49 - Sep 17 by PhilTWTD |
Many years ago in the fanzine, when singing sections were first mooted, a friend of mine posited the introduction of a fighting section for those who wished to partake in football hooliganism. Not sure this isn't dissimilar.
When we introduced the two tabs, at the request of those who were only interested in football, there was opposition as a lot of posters felt the Forum would lose its 'soul' if it was split into sections. As it was, we managed to have our Battenburg and eat it by having the split as we do where you can opt one way or the other or view both. Not sure we'd really want any more specific sections. Think the Forum goes through phases and obviously there are a couple of big news stories which are prominent at the moment, are interlinked and on which posters evidently hold differing views. |
Hey Phil, I could always help with one of my historic posts, it would keep the board busy....  |  |
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| I suspect that.... on 18:24 - Sep 17 with 509 views | Swailsey |
| I suspect that.... on 18:19 - Sep 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Hey Phil, I could always help with one of my historic posts, it would keep the board busy.... |
What’s your favourite post of yours?
Smarmy is great, always my favourite.
I can’t think of other controversial ones you’ve started?
Remind me and lighten this load. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| I suspect that.... on 18:30 - Sep 17 with 474 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I suspect that.... on 18:24 - Sep 17 by Swailsey |
What’s your favourite post of yours?
Smarmy is great, always my favourite.
I can’t think of other controversial ones you’ve started?
Remind me and lighten this load. |
A few crackers
keenan bennetts was a poor mans sterling,
Haaland isn't very good as a footballer but is as a striker
paul cook would have got us promoted the same season as km did, don't know if i posted that one but i do think it. | |
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| I suspect that.... on 18:34 - Sep 17 with 460 views | positivity |
| I suspect that.... on 18:30 - Sep 17 by FrimleyBlue |
A few crackers
keenan bennetts was a poor mans sterling,
Haaland isn't very good as a footballer but is as a striker
paul cook would have got us promoted the same season as km did, don't know if i posted that one but i do think it. |
bennetts was a poor man's kyle edwards, let alone sterling! |  |
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| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 18:35 - Sep 17 with 457 views | TheBoyBlue |
I'm sad generally that there seems to be very little compromise between different sides of the political spectrum. It seems either everything one way or everything the other. I've always been one who picks and chooses certain elements of political ideologies, which probably makes me unpopular with both the left and right wings! | |
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| I suspect that.... on 18:35 - Sep 17 with 448 views | J2BLUE |
| I suspect that.... on 18:30 - Sep 17 by FrimleyBlue |
A few crackers
keenan bennetts was a poor mans sterling,
Haaland isn't very good as a footballer but is as a striker
paul cook would have got us promoted the same season as km did, don't know if i posted that one but i do think it. |
Kane shouldn't be playing for England was a recent highlight |  |
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| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 18:39 - Sep 17 with 432 views | Ryorry |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 18:35 - Sep 17 by TheBoyBlue |
I'm sad generally that there seems to be very little compromise between different sides of the political spectrum. It seems either everything one way or everything the other. I've always been one who picks and chooses certain elements of political ideologies, which probably makes me unpopular with both the left and right wings! |
Same for me. |  |
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| I suspect that.... on 18:42 - Sep 17 with 407 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I suspect that.... on 18:30 - Sep 17 by FrimleyBlue |
A few crackers
keenan bennetts was a poor mans sterling,
Haaland isn't very good as a footballer but is as a striker
paul cook would have got us promoted the same season as km did, don't know if i posted that one but i do think it. |
I remember you saying the only important moves in football are the ones that directly lead to goals. Something like that. Made me laff.
I do think this place has got more fractious since your hot takes became less, although correlation doesn't imply causation! [Post edited 17 Sep 18:43]
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| I suspect that.... on 18:44 - Sep 17 with 401 views | Swailsey |
| I suspect that.... on 18:42 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I remember you saying the only important moves in football are the ones that directly lead to goals. Something like that. Made me laff.
I do think this place has got more fractious since your hot takes became less, although correlation doesn't imply causation! [Post edited 17 Sep 18:43]
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I think Frimmers is actually the glue that holds this place together.
I’ve grown to love him very much. | |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 19:00 - Sep 17 with 350 views | Libero |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 17:39 - Sep 17 by Swailsey |
Genuinely, can you give me 3 examples from different people?
I followed the whole thread and can’t think of them. Happy to be proven wrong though.
I can only think of Libby and maybe Banks. |
I was ‘nasty’? lol |  | | |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 19:00 - Sep 17 with 352 views | Horsham |
I’m sure within the 4 pages it’s been suggested already but I do find the ignore user function very useful but I think it’s telling that having been on this forum since before the Glassblowing days I have never had a longer div list than I do today. |  | | |
| No, the filter.... on 19:01 - Sep 17 with 340 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| No, the filter.... on 16:25 - Sep 17 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yeah, I am sure everyone else would love it if people were cluttering the board with tones of Telegraph and Mail articles every day about the same stuff.
To steal a phrase, it's like a flood the zone tactic at times! Some posters and the threads they've started over the last few years are just constant about the same topics. Everyone knows where to find those media outlets if they want it, right?
It's all over the news every hour and most on here clearly consume it daily anyway! Everyone is free to post or discuss whatever they want of course but I also free to say it's a bit tiresome if that's all people are here for, especially as it's all from the same sources to just confirm a viewpoint, not real any productive discussion.
At least balance it with some footy, those arguments are much more toned down, fun and less insulting, actually hang on... |
*note to self, use Al Jazeera more* |  |
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| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 19:02 - Sep 17 with 338 views | Swailsey |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 19:00 - Sep 17 by Libero |
I was ‘nasty’? lol |
No sorry, I mean you were more forthright with saying fight violence with violence.
I wasn’t saying I agree with people saying that about you, more so that you were one of the vocal ones. | |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 19:07 - Sep 17 with 310 views | Libero |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 19:02 - Sep 17 by Swailsey |
No sorry, I mean you were more forthright with saying fight violence with violence.
I wasn’t saying I agree with people saying that about you, more so that you were one of the vocal ones. |
Gotcha, for the record, I was not advocating violence- I was stating a fact, which is that no fascist regime has ever been toppled without violence- people then got their knickers in a twist claiming the demonstrably fascist actions in the United States, that are happening every day, aren’t fascist…
Or that I was claiming Kirk being assassinated would topple the current administration- which obviously is ridiculous.
Appreciate the clarification, I was most certainly vocal in the thread- I let the apologists get under my skin, closest I’ll flirt with the dark side and it’s purely because this stuff *really* matters, is something I’m well read on and feel the weight of daily, due to personal circumstances. [Post edited 17 Sep 19:09]
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| I suspect that.... on 19:11 - Sep 17 with 285 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I suspect that.... on 18:35 - Sep 17 by J2BLUE |
Kane shouldn't be playing for England was a recent highlight |
now now, there's context behind that one | |
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| I suspect that.... on 19:36 - Sep 17 with 234 views | J2BLUE |
| I suspect that.... on 19:11 - Sep 17 by FrimleyBlue |
now now, there's context behind that one |
There wasn't until you were questioned though. | |
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| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 20:14 - Sep 17 with 116 views | Ryorry |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 19:00 - Sep 17 by Horsham |
I’m sure within the 4 pages it’s been suggested already but I do find the ignore user function very useful but I think it’s telling that having been on this forum since before the Glassblowing days I have never had a longer div list than I do today. |
I’m finding all these comments saying how awful it is now really puzzling tbh.
Perhaps there are few people on here now who remember the Wild West days of 25, 20 and even 15 years ago? There were, I’d say, at least 3x more incredibly abusive, obnoxious people whose modus operandi was irrationally & shouting down those with reasonable but opposing views; and lord help you if you were openly female.
Can only say that this now feels like a really safe space for me as a woman and elderly person; I think the same probably goes for people who are gay, neurodivergent etc. too. I think Phil and Gav have done a fantastic job in making it so, and deserve a great deal of credit for that. | |
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| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 20:36 - Sep 17 with 47 views | Horsham |
| This place is fooking awful at the moment on 20:14 - Sep 17 by Ryorry |
I’m finding all these comments saying how awful it is now really puzzling tbh.
Perhaps there are few people on here now who remember the Wild West days of 25, 20 and even 15 years ago? There were, I’d say, at least 3x more incredibly abusive, obnoxious people whose modus operandi was irrationally & shouting down those with reasonable but opposing views; and lord help you if you were openly female.
Can only say that this now feels like a really safe space for me as a woman and elderly person; I think the same probably goes for people who are gay, neurodivergent etc. too. I think Phil and Gav have done a fantastic job in making it so, and deserve a great deal of credit for that. |
Great post and maybe I’ve changed in that time. I was young the internet was newish, and the world outside of TWTD was kinder and better too.
I also think Phil and Gav do a fantastic job.
Phil for his patience and judgement and Gav for his ignore button. | | | |
| I suspect that.... on 20:43 - Sep 17 with 30 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| I suspect that.... on 14:41 - Sep 17 by Bloots |
...Phil and young Gavin would be a bit concerned about letting any area be a "free for all"!
Somebody threatened them with legal action only this week because he was being called a racist!
I genuinely think that in the medium term having a separate politics tab would ease the burden on the moderators considerably. |
As a side note, I’ve always thought we should have a few of the fair and regular posters as secret moderators. That would help Phildini hugely imo.
People like me, guthers, dubbers, Romford Blue, Ryorry, Steve_M, Rommy, J2 or me. They’d be great it. |  |
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| I suspect that.... on 20:44 - Sep 17 with 24 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| I suspect that.... on 18:44 - Sep 17 by Swailsey |
I think Frimmers is actually the glue that holds this place together.
I’ve grown to love him very much. |
I mean this in no way muggily but if there’s a TWTD award this year for most unproved and it doesn’t go to frimmers, ill start a riot | |
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