| Blackburn put case to EFL 14:58 - Sep 21 with 16541 views | Parky |
To either get given the win, or replay the 10 minutes. No surprise I guess, I’m sure we’d be doing the same if the shoe was on the other foot.
Surely it won’t happen, but imagine making us go back up there to play 10 minutes, wonder how many fans would go.
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 17:25 - Sep 21 with 2961 views | JakeITFC |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 16:56 - Sep 21 by J2BLUE |
I know it won't happen but hypothetically, what would you think if Blackburn asked us to let them score and then play the 90 minutes? |
Only if we are allowed to drop a large bucket of water over all of their players at regular intervals. |  | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 17:32 - Sep 21 with 2876 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 16:56 - Sep 21 by football |
And I wonder what their case would be the other way round?? Given we have scored a few late goals and part fo the problem is their ground maintenance I would hope we would strongly resist for the full replay |
This is where Ashton earns his corn and puts forward the counter argument. |  |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 17:38 - Sep 21 with 2833 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 16:56 - Sep 21 by J2BLUE |
I know it won't happen but hypothetically, what would you think if Blackburn asked us to let them score and then play the 90 minutes? |
I would understand them asking for it ... but still report them for attempted match fixing. |  |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 17:39 - Sep 21 with 2827 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Both sides agreed to get to 37 minutes at 0-0 to replicate the original score then! | |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 17:49 - Sep 21 with 2759 views | _clive_baker_ |
It would be absolutely ridiculous for our squad to travel up there midweek to play 10 minutes + injury time (or ref messing around with his microphone time) of a football match. I can’t think of any reason why that would be the correct conclusion given most of the game was farcical on that pitch. It’s not like it goes from acceptable to unplayable in a few seconds, it was shambolic. All the EFL have to do is watch it back and they’ll see it didn’t resemble a playing surface long before it was called off, we shouldn’t be punished because the ref failed to do his job soon enough. |  | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:23 - Sep 21 with 2463 views | TheBoyBlue |
Absolutely no way they should get away with a win from their failings.
Also imagine the comeback on the EFL if at the end of the season this result is critical to promotion or relegation.
The fairest way and one with less risk to the authorities is that the result is decided over a full 90 minutes on a playable pitch. | |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:25 - Sep 21 with 2452 views | itfc_bucks |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 15:17 - Sep 21 by PhilTWTD |
Jacob Greaves slipped for the red card as well. Yes, from start to finish it was impossible to play football properly, the ball was getting stuck in patches all the way through. |
Did he though?
Certainly wasn't my view on how it went... | |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:29 - Sep 21 with 2432 views | Alf_Hartagin |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 15:26 - Sep 21 by ElderGrizzly |
FA are quite clear that it has to be played in it’s entirety as it wasn’t the fault of either team.
EFL rules appear to have more wriggle room.
Who wins in that situation? |
It is the EFL Board who decides on what option to take.
FA Regulations:
The Football Association (FA) has general rules for abandoned matches, but specific league rules (EFL in this case) take precedence.
There is no hard and fast rule regarding abandoned games, each is judged on its own merits.
In the English Football League, when a match is abandoned, the decision for what happens next is made by the English Football League (EFL) Board, which can order the game to be replayed in full or in part, or even count as a completed fixture depending on the circumstances and competition rules. The referee's decision to abandon the match is final, with the referee consulting team managers before making the call. The FA provides general rules for match abandonments, but specific league rules, like those in the EFL, take precedence for the leagues they govern.
Referee's decision:
The referee has the authority to abandon a match for reasons such as unsafe playing conditions, serious injury, or other significant events. The decision is final and made after consulting with team managers.
Governing body's role:
The English Football League (EFL) will review the abandoned match and decide its outcome.
Possible outcomes:
The EFL Board has several options:
Replay: The match may be replayed in full or in part on terms determined by the EFL Board.
Completed fixture: The match might be allowed to stand as a completed fixture, even if it fell short of the full 90 minutes.
FA Regulations:
The Football Association (FA) has general rules for abandoned matches, but specific league rules take precedence.
Consultation:
It is important for everyone involved to understand the relevant rules so they can work with the match officials to resolve the situation.
When considering a decision to declare the match as 'completed', the general guide for how many minutes must have been played has, for many years, been 75 minutes; but that is not the only criteria taken into consideration.
All factual circumstances should be carefully considered, each one individually, then as a whole.
Rovers had a 1-0 lead with 10+ minutes remaining.
Ipswich had been reduced to ten players from the 49th minute.
The importance and/or impact of any decision on League positions at this stage in the season.
The Logistics involved if a part or full replay is ordered.
It is extremely unlikely that Rovers will be awarded the win, but many stranger things have happened when matches were abandoned in the past. The most interesting, astonishing, and comprehensive article can be found at
https://www.footballsite.co.uk/DYK/DYK01-AbandonedMatches.htm
Plenty of 'I don't believe it!' situations covered in full.
Seven matches that had a declared winner are included, along with the six PL games that were all forced to be replayed, even with one team ahead. Also, Altrincham were once winning 2-0 after 83 minutes when their game was abandoned; they insisted the result should stand, but a replay was ordered, fortunately they won that 2-0 with the same two players scoring their goals. | | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:37 - Sep 21 with 2384 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 15:07 - Sep 21 by PhilTWTD |
They really can't do anything other than restage it. If it was 4-0 to one side or the other, then there might be a chance of awarding it to the leading team. But there was 10 minutes plus perhaps another 10 minutes of injury time to go, so there was no certainty of the result at 1-0.
If the teams come back for the final 10 minutes plus injury time, could they force us to play the 10* which was on the field at the time? What if players subsequently get injured? Could we claim a number of our defensive players are injured and play all our available attackers in their place? We'd have nothing to lose by doing so given the position.
*Amended, 10, obviously.
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Hi, you must be new to football and the FA specifically.
Favourite cheese? |  |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:39 - Sep 21 with 2369 views | Churchman |
I think we should claim the three points. Blackburn provided a pitch that was unplayable and potential dangerous. Proper drainage is a basic requirement in 2025 so claim the points, compensation for travel and the 4k tickets sold under false pretences.
Alternatively, just replay the game later in the season, all costs to be met by Blackburn. |  | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:41 - Sep 21 with 2361 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 15:17 - Sep 21 by PhilTWTD |
Jacob Greaves slipped for the red card as well. Yes, from start to finish it was impossible to play football properly, the ball was getting stuck in patches all the way through. |
Abuse reported lol, love it. Who gets to use the banhammer, Gav or Mark?
I think it was playable just about in the first half, but it depends where you draw the line at playable. The first half was certainly no worse than our Leicester in the snow game. Second half it was kind of ok for a bit but was obviously a growing issue and became pretty much unplayable for 15-20 mins before it was abandoned. | |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:45 - Sep 21 with 2341 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:25 - Sep 21 by itfc_bucks |
Did he though?
Certainly wasn't my view on how it went... |
Have you rewatched it? In real-time, Greaves seemed to fall into the player, and put his arm out as he fell, pushing him in the back.
Rewatching it, Greaves clearly loses his footing, and falls causing the push. Still a foul, and no one to cover in defence, so a red under the laws.
It does however suggest the conditions contributed to the foul/red card. | | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:46 - Sep 21 with 2335 views | HighgateBlue |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 17:32 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue |
This is where Ashton earns his corn and puts forward the counter argument. |
This is where Ashton instructs lawyers to draft a counter-argument. |  | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:52 - Sep 21 with 2312 views | bluejacko |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:45 - Sep 21 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Have you rewatched it? In real-time, Greaves seemed to fall into the player, and put his arm out as he fell, pushing him in the back.
Rewatching it, Greaves clearly loses his footing, and falls causing the push. Still a foul, and no one to cover in defence, so a red under the laws.
It does however suggest the conditions contributed to the foul/red card. |
Now now don’t you go spoiling the Greaves is crap narrative😀 | | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 20:03 - Sep 21 with 2249 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:45 - Sep 21 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Have you rewatched it? In real-time, Greaves seemed to fall into the player, and put his arm out as he fell, pushing him in the back.
Rewatching it, Greaves clearly loses his footing, and falls causing the push. Still a foul, and no one to cover in defence, so a red under the laws.
It does however suggest the conditions contributed to the foul/red card. |
Whether he does or doesn’t isn’t necessarily a consequence of the pitch, or at least very difficult to prove. Players lose their footing on good surfaces as well so it’s nigh on impossible to argue that wouldn’t have happened anyway. It’s a red card, no doubt about it. The better evidence for the state of the pitch was on more than 1 occasion plenty before the ref finally halted it, Jack Clarke up the left hand side was one where the ball stopped in a puddle, there were other examples in the middle as well. I’ve not watched it back but having seen it first hand it was borderline unplayable in the 1st half and undoubtedly after the break.
Refs have a hard job, they want to do all they can to get games concluded and I’m all for that, even if we might (or might not) have been on the wrong side of it. That was absolutely farcical though.
I think it’s quite a straight forward call to replay it. Sets quite the precedent otherwise. | | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 20:11 - Sep 21 with 2211 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 15:07 - Sep 21 by PhilTWTD |
They really can't do anything other than restage it. If it was 4-0 to one side or the other, then there might be a chance of awarding it to the leading team. But there was 10 minutes plus perhaps another 10 minutes of injury time to go, so there was no certainty of the result at 1-0.
If the teams come back for the final 10 minutes plus injury time, could they force us to play the 10* which was on the field at the time? What if players subsequently get injured? Could we claim a number of our defensive players are injured and play all our available attackers in their place? We'd have nothing to lose by doing so given the position.
*Amended, 10, obviously.
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I remember Barnsley beating someone 4-1 and game abandoned after an hour or so. Replayed in full and it was a draw.
I just don't see a scenario this isn't replayed in full.
Blackburn fans were actually fairly realistic about this and more blaming their owners so fair play to majority of them. | |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 20:18 - Sep 21 with 2177 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:45 - Sep 21 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Have you rewatched it? In real-time, Greaves seemed to fall into the player, and put his arm out as he fell, pushing him in the back.
Rewatching it, Greaves clearly loses his footing, and falls causing the push. Still a foul, and no one to cover in defence, so a red under the laws.
It does however suggest the conditions contributed to the foul/red card. |
Yep both the pen and greaves red card were in part due to the conditions. Both correct decisions of course but it clearly makes the narrative of Blackburn being massively unlucky if replayed a bit different.
They have their owners to blame for the pitch. I do feel for them a bit but there is only one outcome here and it's a full replay. I'm actually surprised greaves red card stands as it wasn't violent conduct. | |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 20:43 - Sep 21 with 2063 views | Vic |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 15:07 - Sep 21 by PhilTWTD |
They really can't do anything other than restage it. If it was 4-0 to one side or the other, then there might be a chance of awarding it to the leading team. But there was 10 minutes plus perhaps another 10 minutes of injury time to go, so there was no certainty of the result at 1-0.
If the teams come back for the final 10 minutes plus injury time, could they force us to play the 10* which was on the field at the time? What if players subsequently get injured? Could we claim a number of our defensive players are injured and play all our available attackers in their place? We'd have nothing to lose by doing so given the position.
*Amended, 10, obviously.
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And add to this that we have scored deep into injury time 2x in 5 games. Result is never a foregone conclusion with us. |  |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 20:50 - Sep 21 with 2034 views | GavTWTD |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 20:43 - Sep 21 by Vic |
And add to this that we have scored deep into injury time 2x in 5 games. Result is never a foregone conclusion with us. |
Have some sympathy with EFL.
These are the things that's we've come up with. I dread to think what detail KM has gone into this weekend with our response.
AI... please summarise this 26 page document. |  |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 20:50 - Sep 21 with 2034 views | PhilTWTD |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 17:02 - Sep 21 by EastTownBlue |
There may well be some referees who wouldn’t have started the game with that area near the centre circle on the Riverside stand side. |
They apparently had a look at the pitch in the morning and deemed there was no issue. Given the history of the ground and the weather forecast, it probably shouldn't have been too much of a surprise that it didn't reach a conclusion. |  | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 21:05 - Sep 21 with 1933 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 19:25 - Sep 21 by itfc_bucks |
Did he though?
Certainly wasn't my view on how it went... |
If Greaves hadn't grabbed onto Ohashi there was a significant chance he might have drowned. |  | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 21:09 - Sep 21 with 1901 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 20:50 - Sep 21 by PhilTWTD |
They apparently had a look at the pitch in the morning and deemed there was no issue. Given the history of the ground and the weather forecast, it probably shouldn't have been too much of a surprise that it didn't reach a conclusion. |
As it's happened several times before then Blackburn should be fined for not being able to put on a game of football and forced to put a new drainage system in place next summer. | |
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| Blackburn put case to EFL on 21:23 - Sep 21 with 1858 views | Daninthecampo |
A full replay is the only fair option, to play the last 10 mins plus injury time, all of the same 21 players at the time would have to play, what if one of those players are injured for the replay? It's not a like for like game so can't proceed! | | | |
| Blackburn put case to EFL on 01:13 - Sep 22 with 1434 views | norfsufblue |
As i said earlier in this thread , They shouldnt be alloeed to assume they would kept a clean sheet anymore than we could assume we'd equalise!.... Therefore its got to be a replay |  | | |
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