| New Stand - Capacity 17:25 - Nov 27 with 4126 views | ipswichtillidie |
What do you think MA has in mind for capacity to make us financially equipped to remain competitive. My gut is telling me 40,000. That would be some stand. We have 6000 on the waiting list, would 40k be over-egging it or a more sustainable level to future proof the club for regular PL football. History obviously weighs heavy in regards previous expansions.
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| New Stand - Capacity on 22:43 - Nov 27 with 686 views | Churchman |
| New Stand - Capacity on 20:09 - Nov 27 by Perublue |
8-9,000 in the Duncan days … God football was a pariah then … to even admit to liking it was akin to admitting all kinds of horrific crimes to humanity. |
Crowds were under 10k in Lyall’s time until we started winning. 11k was considered a good crowd. Yes, for a number of reasons if you followed football you were the dregs. Following Ipswich was hope with no real expectation in those days - until 91/92. But we enjoyed it overall and most clubs struggled attendance wise in those days |  | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 22:47 - Nov 27 with 678 views | grow_our_own |
| New Stand - Capacity on 19:17 - Nov 27 by stonojnr |
Id just point out the next 3 home games have all made general sale |
Only restricted view seats. Demand for those is hardly a gauge for that of full-view seats in a stand with nice facilities. |  | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 23:00 - Nov 27 with 654 views | BluePG |
The below link shows average attendances for this season.
West Ham have averaged over 60,000 for past couple of seasons. A bit of an outlier however with the way that they “inherited” their stadium, yet were they really that much of a bigger club than us whilst at Upton Park?
A 40,000 seater stadium would put us mid-table in Premier League attendances, which is broadly where the owners would expect us to be in the league in coming years.
For what it’s worth, having been to Ashton Gate this season, their new stand is something I imagine us building that would take us to close to 40k.
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/premier-league/attendances | |
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| New Stand - Capacity on 23:27 - Nov 27 with 618 views | MVBlue |
| New Stand - Capacity on 23:00 - Nov 27 by BluePG |
The below link shows average attendances for this season.
West Ham have averaged over 60,000 for past couple of seasons. A bit of an outlier however with the way that they “inherited” their stadium, yet were they really that much of a bigger club than us whilst at Upton Park?
A 40,000 seater stadium would put us mid-table in Premier League attendances, which is broadly where the owners would expect us to be in the league in coming years.
For what it’s worth, having been to Ashton Gate this season, their new stand is something I imagine us building that would take us to close to 40k.
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/premier-league/attendances |
Ashton and the owners are ambitious. But seriously, 36000 with lots of high end hospitality and extra curricular non-football capability is a solid bet. |  |
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| New Stand - Capacity on 00:09 - Nov 28 with 579 views | urbanpenguin |
| New Stand - Capacity on 17:44 - Nov 27 by lurcher |
We will extend the west stand first.
I expect the ground will go to 40. |
Yep
as they keep saying - and my view as an architecture person - is that they will over-build the west stand first, migrate people, then completely build a new stand.
I suspect the final capacity after all that will be 40,500-41,000. |  | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 07:26 - Nov 28 with 488 views | ArnieM |
| New Stand - Capacity on 22:32 - Nov 27 by Olcol |
The cobbold stand replacement will likely go to 12k+. The new stand will house income bearing outlets for the club on a 365 day per year principle. With that in mind it will be a very large structure. The re roofing and associated extra seating in the west stand has to be completed first to minimise disruption to away allocation and season ticket holders in the cobbold.
We could lose about 2k seat capacity if we don't retain the lower section of the cobbold and build around it, but from an engineering, time and cost perspective may be tricky. Owners are not worried about spending money, so it could be done. Final capacity will be 40k+, if all goes smoothly on and off the pitch. Start of reverb of west to finish of the cobbold could take 3-5 years. |
...very insightful, thank you. Are you " in the trade", so to speak? |  |
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| New Stand - Capacity on 07:32 - Nov 28 with 487 views | melbs_itfc |
Will be 100,000 capacity to go with our regular 100 points and 100 goals. Future proofing innit. | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 07:42 - Nov 28 with 475 views | djgooder |
| New Stand - Capacity on 17:42 - Nov 27 by J2BLUE |
35,000 seems right. Can we sustain 40k? Hopefully it never happens again but under Evans 14,000 of us were rattling around in PR including away fans.
It very much depends on success 35,000 with the ability to become 40,000 would be ideal IMO. |
Might be if we sustain 35k for a few seasons we then redevelop the pioneeer stand to take us to 40k (+) |  | | |
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| New Stand - Capacity on 08:06 - Nov 28 with 457 views | Churchman |
| New Stand - Capacity on 18:37 - Nov 27 by lurcher |
They want voids and facilities in the east stand for non match day revenue. that will likely dictate something nearer 40.
I expect they would build the back part first and then remove the Cobbold. |
Fair enough.
I’m not sure anyone knows the potential for this club. I am mindful of the comment re West Ham and their attendances now and what happened after Sunderland replaced Roker Park - crowds doubled.
We don’t have the catchment area of those, but I have no idea of what the potential impact would be of better facilities, other uses of the ground, space to bring in everyone from kids to casual supporters - a catch all term for people who live some way away or whose lifestyle and commitments mean they cannot attend every game or with current demand, any game.
I take the point re what’s the point of doing this for just an extra 5k seats. It’ll be very interesting to see what is proposed and if it goes ahead, how they do it.
I saw a little bit of NFL last night and they were mooching round Dallas Cowboys’ stadium. Wow, what a building. Absolutely amazing and very classy in an American sort of way. The colour schemes reminded me of what Ashton was waving his coffee cup at this week - on a minuscule scale, of course.
Interesting. | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 08:19 - Nov 28 with 442 views | HighgateBlue |
| New Stand - Capacity on 19:25 - Nov 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Not that surprising. How many made general sale last year? The sad reality of modern football is that our extra ‘fans’ only turn up to watch the other PL clubs. |
Modern football? There wasn't one season in the second half of the 20th century when we averaged anything like what we're averaging this season. We're averaging thousands more than when we won the FA Cup, UEFA cup, or First Division.
Our average attendance this season is only about 1,000 less than last season, and some of that is accounted for by away fans.
So I'm not sure it's either sad or a reality. I'm also not really sure that having a go at other Town fans for not being virtuous enough fans is a great look. |  | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 08:34 - Nov 28 with 424 views | Blue_Heath |
40,000 ambitious but with another 1k away fans and 6k on waiting list it would make sense to do this. Seems a bit pointless for anything less. | |
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| New Stand - Capacity on 08:35 - Nov 28 with 424 views | MrPorterloo |
Surely it needs to go above 40k. Not saying it would regularly be sold out now but this is a long term project. You have to consider what attendances will be in 2040, 2050 etc.. | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:03 - Nov 28 with 405 views | dirtyboy |
| New Stand - Capacity on 08:35 - Nov 28 by MrPorterloo |
Surely it needs to go above 40k. Not saying it would regularly be sold out now but this is a long term project. You have to consider what attendances will be in 2040, 2050 etc.. |
I think ~35k
Settles around the current demand levels, but they'll utilise the extra space for more corporate stuff which is more profitable anyway. |  | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:06 - Nov 28 with 396 views | blueprint |
| New Stand - Capacity on 20:58 - Nov 27 by NthQldITFC |
Seems very short-sighted with a 6,000 waiting list now and potentially more if we get PL established. I'd go 42-45k, which would presumably entail first a West Stand extension then a Cobbold rebuild with corners filled to SAR and SBR, removing the Planet Blue corner block and moving it into the new retail center (sic) inside the new SKM stand. Filled corners could well help with atmosphere, methinks. |
Waiting lists mean nothing if they don’t equate to definite sales. Don’t our friends up the road claim to have about 20k on the waiting list? |  | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:22 - Nov 28 with 370 views | lurcher |
| New Stand - Capacity on 08:06 - Nov 28 by Churchman |
Fair enough.
I’m not sure anyone knows the potential for this club. I am mindful of the comment re West Ham and their attendances now and what happened after Sunderland replaced Roker Park - crowds doubled.
We don’t have the catchment area of those, but I have no idea of what the potential impact would be of better facilities, other uses of the ground, space to bring in everyone from kids to casual supporters - a catch all term for people who live some way away or whose lifestyle and commitments mean they cannot attend every game or with current demand, any game.
I take the point re what’s the point of doing this for just an extra 5k seats. It’ll be very interesting to see what is proposed and if it goes ahead, how they do it.
I saw a little bit of NFL last night and they were mooching round Dallas Cowboys’ stadium. Wow, what a building. Absolutely amazing and very classy in an American sort of way. The colour schemes reminded me of what Ashton was waving his coffee cup at this week - on a minuscule scale, of course.
Interesting. |
I think there is very much a build it and they will come mentality. We are also looking at being able to give the whole of the sir Alf to away fans.
The club could build all of the seats and then cover them up selling only the front sections of the stand so we don't have lots of empty space. |  | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:22 - Nov 28 with 369 views | hunty21 |
Remember we want to put concerts on so 40k would be a must to make it worth while and appetizing to bigger artists | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:23 - Nov 28 with 370 views | tivo |
| New Stand - Capacity on 19:25 - Nov 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Not that surprising. How many made general sale last year? The sad reality of modern football is that our extra ‘fans’ only turn up to watch the other PL clubs. |
Look at the tickets available for the next game, single tickets with a severely restricted view.
If that number of tickets was being released in VU2 because they had been sent back they all go within the hour. Football is social, not everyone wants to go alone with their body wrapped round a pillar. | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:27 - Nov 28 with 362 views | tivo |
| New Stand - Capacity on 19:46 - Nov 27 by Pinewoodblue |
Two stage redevelopment for me. Add extra 4k to west stand. Similar approach to Charlton who removed a roof pre season and added extra seats at the back. This would also provide extra space for hospitality etc.
Second stage replace Cobbold adding 8-10k. |
People are also forgetting we have a tried and tested precedent of adding seats at the front of the West Stand too (Where the media comes down and we have the main camera position).
Extending this overhang across the whole length of the stand, 4 rows deep would be a decent number.
Another thing we may look at when rebuilding the Cobbold is to accommodate the fans who sit in the disabled sections around the ground. Moving them into the new stand with specialist facilities would then allow for areas in SBR Lower and North to be converted into seating. | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:29 - Nov 28 with 359 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| New Stand - Capacity on 22:43 - Nov 27 by Churchman |
Crowds were under 10k in Lyall’s time until we started winning. 11k was considered a good crowd. Yes, for a number of reasons if you followed football you were the dregs. Following Ipswich was hope with no real expectation in those days - until 91/92. But we enjoyed it overall and most clubs struggled attendance wise in those days |
This is a key consideration - across all football attendance was at a low during the 80s and early 90s. Attendance has been growing steadily since then, and is now at a post-war high, with no sign of this stopping given the investment.
Our catchment area is very large, with little competition - the budgies will rise from the ashes eventually, but even with them up the road competing for numbers, there's a lot to go around in East Anglia - and we're more accessible for anyone outside Norfolk.
We need to build for the future potential. If they can design it well, they could create stands that can be easily and quicky extended. Push for at least 35k initially, with the ability to add another 5k+ when needed.
If we become an established PL club, I can easily see regular 40k+ crowds for big matches in the future. The ground doesn't have to be capacity for everything - 80% filled for a well designed stadium will still have atmosphere. And, as others have said, it's what you can do with it outside of the 20-30 games per year (yes, I hope European games will be part of that in my lifetime). | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:42 - Nov 28 with 336 views | gringoblue |
| New Stand - Capacity on 19:25 - Nov 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Not that surprising. How many made general sale last year? The sad reality of modern football is that our extra ‘fans’ only turn up to watch the other PL clubs. |
Also 4 fewer home league games in the prem, and potentially one fewer League cup game. So demand is spread out a bit more when in the champ. |  | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:58 - Nov 28 with 310 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| New Stand - Capacity on 17:42 - Nov 27 by J2BLUE |
35,000 seems right. Can we sustain 40k? Hopefully it never happens again but under Evans 14,000 of us were rattling around in PR including away fans.
It very much depends on success 35,000 with the ability to become 40,000 would be ideal IMO. |
Realistically, they are probably going to have to knock down large parts of both the Cobbold/ West stand if they want to do it properly.
Once you've paid for that as well as planning and everything else, I'm sure the difference in adding 5k more seats is pretty small in the grand scheme of things.
They would be silly not to try and push towards 40, which would put them in the top 20 biggest footy stadiums in the country and open up other commercial opportunities around concerts/ international games etc. | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 10:14 - Nov 28 with 288 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| New Stand - Capacity on 23:00 - Nov 27 by BluePG |
The below link shows average attendances for this season.
West Ham have averaged over 60,000 for past couple of seasons. A bit of an outlier however with the way that they “inherited” their stadium, yet were they really that much of a bigger club than us whilst at Upton Park?
A 40,000 seater stadium would put us mid-table in Premier League attendances, which is broadly where the owners would expect us to be in the league in coming years.
For what it’s worth, having been to Ashton Gate this season, their new stand is something I imagine us building that would take us to close to 40k.
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/premier-league/attendances |
West Ham got bums on seats by offering season tickets starting at a couple of hundred quid initially (they’ve gone up subsequently). Cheapest in the PL by a long shot and probably most of the Championship, I know a couple of people who were fans of other clubs that snapped them up for a cheapish way to ‘entertain’ (okay it was Moyesball) the kids. Maybe we could drop ticket prices to help build the fanbase longer term.
*The other point being London based, there is a lot of corporate use of West Ham games (hence why many of their fans bemoan the lack of atmosphere these days). | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 10:24 - Nov 28 with 279 views | lurcher |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:27 - Nov 28 by tivo |
People are also forgetting we have a tried and tested precedent of adding seats at the front of the West Stand too (Where the media comes down and we have the main camera position).
Extending this overhang across the whole length of the stand, 4 rows deep would be a decent number.
Another thing we may look at when rebuilding the Cobbold is to accommodate the fans who sit in the disabled sections around the ground. Moving them into the new stand with specialist facilities would then allow for areas in SBR Lower and North to be converted into seating. |
Yes potentially adding seats either side of the new media area will help raise capacity. The north stand disabled sections are a bit of a loss. They have lots of empty space and necessitate actual seats not being sold. Surely they can do something better with the corner where the North meets the cobbold. That little plinth that once had seats on it could be taken out and a better disabled section created. | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 10:40 - Nov 28 with 258 views | mk_blue |
Above 40k sounds right. Think thats inline with FIFA capacity requirements for hosting finals matches and I think thats what the FA follow for England games. | | | |
| New Stand - Capacity on 11:41 - Nov 28 with 199 views | longtimefan |
| New Stand - Capacity on 09:03 - Nov 28 by dirtyboy |
I think ~35k
Settles around the current demand levels, but they'll utilise the extra space for more corporate stuff which is more profitable anyway. |
I might be being a bit thick here ( more than likely) but isn’t it likely the case that most of the 6k on the waiting list are those already attending on a match by match basis. By that token, doesn’t the fact that the list is 6k mean there may not be a demand much in excess of 30k ? | | | |
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