| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? 15:45 - Dec 14 with 4033 views | Denny32 |
Considering how badly his recruitment has been. If it looks like top two are not reachable..they may just let him see can he get us up on what we have. And if we in championship Come nxt season.i Can see him gone .why spend another 20 million or more if the quality isn't incoming |  | | |  |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 21:36 - Dec 14 with 994 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 21:25 - Dec 14 by Churchman |
Yay! ‘Has taken us as far as he can’. The old Charlton Curbishley line. I wondered which of you would be the first with that. Well done!!!
Didn’t see you post last week or any other week. Probably me or maybe you were busy with the washing.
But don’t wet the bed - your, and many others besides, dearest wish will be fulfilled. McKenna fully knows he is not wanted here and will be gone before the season’s end or at it. There will be a queue of better clubs than this crawling over broken glass for his services.
So who do you want to replace him who will actually come here? Off you go. Let’s have a list. |
Church with total respect you've been vocal rightfully about some abuse at games and other social media thoughts from people that I agree are wrong.
I do think it's a rather small % of the overall fan base however and km will know this u less you're winning every week you arent going to keep everyone happy
But what I have seen from yourself is an increase in the way you have started taking shots on some posters who are in a sense part of the anti side of things. Not abusive of course and no where near that. But saying things like dont wet the bed etc imo is a small sign of emotional posting which I've not seen from you alot before and not one id thought id see. But more than that the fact you feel so strongly about things has made you do so.. its not that different to the ones you are replying too. They are just posters with a strong emotional view on a topic that goes against yours and many others.
Absolutely tell me to pss off. Im hardly one to talk about the rights and wrongs of using a forum. But its just something I wanted to add. Hope that doesn't come across patronising or anything. Meant in entirely good spirits. |  |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 22:53 - Dec 14 with 958 views | HighgateBlue |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 19:17 - Dec 14 by Guthrum |
Bad recruitment?
Delap and Hutchinson, who made us big profits? Luongo, who gave a vital boost to our promotion from League One? O'Shea and Kipre, who are becoming ever more solid in defence? Davis, who has been outstanding at left back? Furlong, who is quietly developing into a good right back? Nunez, tearing games up in midfield/no.10? Walle Egeli, showing increasingly high potential? Clarke and Philogene, our top goalscorers? Taylor, who has transformed himself into a very solid midfielder? Cajuste, Akpom, Szmodics, Azon, all useful players?
But, apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us? |
Delap and Hutch were great bits of recruitment, and we obviously couldn't hold on to them. But I would question whether Delap actually made a big profit. Once we knock off City's percentage, it's not mega bucks, and it's more than cancelled out by the daft money spent on McAteer.
If Akpom has become a useful player, then I must have missed that series. SS has been a disappointment given the money spent, and Azon showed his shooting prowess in that last game. Really - is he a striker that a club with promotion aspirations can hang their hat on? If one is just going to think that every player is great, then fine, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Given how much money we've spent, if the player purchases were as good as you claim, McKenna must be seriously pony at coaching them. |  | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 00:55 - Dec 15 with 897 views | Iwasthere |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 21:28 - Dec 14 by Churchman |
Of course he wasn’t thinking this after Coventry and Stoke. He was too disappointed. |
I'm never disappointed when we win.
My biggest concern is that if we fail to get promotion this seaso next season will be harder and that's the end of parachute payments. We have a highly paid squad on long contracts, the recipe for disaster.
I do not believe McKenna is the the manager to take us forward. Believe me I am not alone.
I will be at the Sheffield Wednesday game on Saturday and will be delighted to see us win. | | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 01:03 - Dec 15 with 889 views | Denny32 |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 00:55 - Dec 15 by Iwasthere |
I'm never disappointed when we win.
My biggest concern is that if we fail to get promotion this seaso next season will be harder and that's the end of parachute payments. We have a highly paid squad on long contracts, the recipe for disaster.
I do not believe McKenna is the the manager to take us forward. Believe me I am not alone.
I will be at the Sheffield Wednesday game on Saturday and will be delighted to see us win. |
Well said..people talk about the great achievement of going from league 1 to Premier in two seasons..its as if we should get an honorary permanent residency in top division?.it means diddly squat if we never get back up . . For all the money spent. We have a worse team now albeit minus delap and,hutch this present team would be,ripped to shreds in all departments. I.just see sunderland go up and added so many players,and well able to take on the,big boys ..fair,play to them | | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 01:25 - Dec 15 with 867 views | ITFCSG |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 01:03 - Dec 15 by Denny32 |
Well said..people talk about the great achievement of going from league 1 to Premier in two seasons..its as if we should get an honorary permanent residency in top division?.it means diddly squat if we never get back up . . For all the money spent. We have a worse team now albeit minus delap and,hutch this present team would be,ripped to shreds in all departments. I.just see sunderland go up and added so many players,and well able to take on the,big boys ..fair,play to them |
100%. As if the budgies, Watford, Saints etc are still living off past glories of their back to back promotions. It’s laughable that plenty here and elsewhere are still giving McK and MA a free pass even though the performances have been mainly crap over the past 18 months or so. Right now we can’t even seem to recover once we go behind playing a style of football that would make most people fall asleep. One decent performance for every 2 or 3 crap ones. Look at the recent block of 7 games, at best only 1.5 games (2nd half Coventry and Stoke) were decent. I’d have taken it if we were in the PL but no $hit Sherlock we are the most expensive squad in the entire EFL and in the Championship. Plus the fact that we are squandering money on players not fit for purpose - at least Ahadme and Camara were cheap but look at the amounts spent on Ogbene, McAteer, the loan fees for Phillips, Cajuse, Akpom etc it is shocking. Even J Clarke and Philogene, who have shown decent performances once in a while we had our pants pulled. | | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 08:09 - Dec 15 with 805 views | Iwasthere |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 01:25 - Dec 15 by ITFCSG |
100%. As if the budgies, Watford, Saints etc are still living off past glories of their back to back promotions. It’s laughable that plenty here and elsewhere are still giving McK and MA a free pass even though the performances have been mainly crap over the past 18 months or so. Right now we can’t even seem to recover once we go behind playing a style of football that would make most people fall asleep. One decent performance for every 2 or 3 crap ones. Look at the recent block of 7 games, at best only 1.5 games (2nd half Coventry and Stoke) were decent. I’d have taken it if we were in the PL but no $hit Sherlock we are the most expensive squad in the entire EFL and in the Championship. Plus the fact that we are squandering money on players not fit for purpose - at least Ahadme and Camara were cheap but look at the amounts spent on Ogbene, McAteer, the loan fees for Phillips, Cajuse, Akpom etc it is shocking. Even J Clarke and Philogene, who have shown decent performances once in a while we had our pants pulled. |
Churchill etc live in fairy land. Their only redemption is hope that McKenna will come good.. His last 20 months clearly indicate otherwise. Hope kills. | | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 08:35 - Dec 15 with 769 views | lurcher |
The club don't give Kieran money. Transfer dealings are handled by Ashton and his team. We can expect a strong January window with Town spending more than anyone else. |  | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 08:46 - Dec 15 with 760 views | artsbossbeard |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 16:47 - Dec 14 by stiff_talking |
McKenna needs to find solutions to attacking low block and improving our defending when we lose the ball. We struggle to score against low block teams despite high levels of ball possession. It’s been a problem all season. When teams attack us we boss the game and win out easily.
When we lose the ball high up we struggle to deal with long direct balls. We have to defensively work out how to make us water tight against those attacks. As against low block teams we concede too many.
Recruitment has been good in certain areas. But not all the signing we made were the upgrades we hoped for. More money will be given and what we need is a better #9 as priority. Hirst can’t hold up a ball but is fine running on to the ball. The Shark is likeable fella but the miss against Stoke tells you all you need to know. He isn’t good enough. |
Alright, Pep. |  |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 09:07 - Dec 15 with 721 views | Whos_blue |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 21:25 - Dec 14 by Churchman |
Yay! ‘Has taken us as far as he can’. The old Charlton Curbishley line. I wondered which of you would be the first with that. Well done!!!
Didn’t see you post last week or any other week. Probably me or maybe you were busy with the washing.
But don’t wet the bed - your, and many others besides, dearest wish will be fulfilled. McKenna fully knows he is not wanted here and will be gone before the season’s end or at it. There will be a queue of better clubs than this crawling over broken glass for his services.
So who do you want to replace him who will actually come here? Off you go. Let’s have a list. |
Other than a couple of posters pushing back on Churchers pushing back on other posters, no one has taken on the challenge of naming any potential replacements.
It's the same every time.
If KM isn't good enough, there must be a manager out there who some people would fancy as a replacement?
No hiding behind the "it's up to MA to find a new manager, not me". Some posters must have someone in mind.
I'm still very much KM in, but in the spirit of the question I quite like Mark Robbins. |  |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 09:12 - Dec 15 with 706 views | baxterbasics |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 09:07 - Dec 15 by Whos_blue |
Other than a couple of posters pushing back on Churchers pushing back on other posters, no one has taken on the challenge of naming any potential replacements.
It's the same every time.
If KM isn't good enough, there must be a manager out there who some people would fancy as a replacement?
No hiding behind the "it's up to MA to find a new manager, not me". Some posters must have someone in mind.
I'm still very much KM in, but in the spirit of the question I quite like Mark Robbins. |
Good point I've tried to make similar before.
Fans consider themselves qualified to say time to change manager but suddenly go quiet when asked "ok, who?" - because it not only needs to be an upgrade on KM, but also a realistic target that might be open to the move. I got nothing. KM in!
As for the OP question - I'm sure there's already budget as things are for an upgrade or two after the sales we've made. It doesn't necessarily require an injection of new money from the owners. |  |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January on 09:15 - Dec 15 with 702 views | ITFCSG |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 09:07 - Dec 15 by Whos_blue |
Other than a couple of posters pushing back on Churchers pushing back on other posters, no one has taken on the challenge of naming any potential replacements.
It's the same every time.
If KM isn't good enough, there must be a manager out there who some people would fancy as a replacement?
No hiding behind the "it's up to MA to find a new manager, not me". Some posters must have someone in mind.
I'm still very much KM in, but in the spirit of the question I quite like Mark Robbins. |
I’d roll the dice with a foreign coach - especially one with connection to players in Europe, South and Central America or Asia
Look at how Sunderland plucked Le Bris from Ligue 2 Lorient
Or the wonders Carlos Corberán managed to extract from his WBA squad | | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 09:36 - Dec 15 with 657 views | NthQldITFC |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 08:09 - Dec 15 by Iwasthere |
Churchill etc live in fairy land. Their only redemption is hope that McKenna will come good.. His last 20 months clearly indicate otherwise. Hope kills. |
Ooh, a cosy little love in of sixth-columnists. How sweet. |  |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January on 09:37 - Dec 15 with 658 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January on 09:15 - Dec 15 by ITFCSG |
I’d roll the dice with a foreign coach - especially one with connection to players in Europe, South and Central America or Asia
Look at how Sunderland plucked Le Bris from Ligue 2 Lorient
Or the wonders Carlos Corberán managed to extract from his WBA squad |
Feck me, if I hear Sunderland mentioned one more time... |  |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January on 09:38 - Dec 15 with 658 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January on 09:37 - Dec 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Feck me, if I hear Sunderland mentioned one more time... |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 11:26 - Dec 15 with 598 views | algy |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 08:35 - Dec 15 by lurcher |
The club don't give Kieran money. Transfer dealings are handled by Ashton and his team. We can expect a strong January window with Town spending more than anyone else. |
Yes, KMc doesn't get involved in the money, just decides whether he wants a particular player to join his group then it's over to Ashton and his cohort to try to make it happen. | |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 16:57 - Dec 15 with 513 views | OldFart71 |
I think those that are relying on a good January transfer window to get us where we need to be are kidding themselves.
We have on paper one of the strongest squads in this league yet cannot beat fairly ordinary sides. Many recent games where yes it either goes for you or it doesn't "Fine margins" as KM calls them is true. But then take Coventry, we could have been a couple of goals down before we scored. I suppose those are these fine margins. But when we got promotion from Division One to the Championship and then to the Premier League it wasn't purely luck. It was application, a team believing that from whatever position they were in they could win. That same desire just isn't present. Many of the current players are on incredible wages especially given what they are producing.
This situation won't be turned around with a couple of signings.
In many respects it reminds me of the days when we bought or loaned in players that weren't committed to the club and were just here for the wages.
We are so far off being a Premier League club. Do we really want promotion followed by relegation again. If we can get in one or two and get rid of the same amount in January and then another two or three at the end of the season. But I think we are a half dozen players short of a Premier League side. | | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 17:51 - Dec 15 with 494 views | djgooder |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 09:12 - Dec 15 by baxterbasics |
Good point I've tried to make similar before.
Fans consider themselves qualified to say time to change manager but suddenly go quiet when asked "ok, who?" - because it not only needs to be an upgrade on KM, but also a realistic target that might be open to the move. I got nothing. KM in!
As for the OP question - I'm sure there's already budget as things are for an upgrade or two after the sales we've made. It doesn't necessarily require an injection of new money from the owners. |
I am far from a KM out fan, however, when we signed him I had no idea who he was. Maybe that makes me a bit rubbish. But if he went because he was poached, or we made the move, I can only trust Ashton to find similar. I couldn’t really name anyone.
The club has transformed in last few years. The videos around the infrastructure show this. We do seem be faltering at the moment on the playing side of things. I only see the games on the box, and we rarely look convincing.
I am still firmly in the McKenna camp. But it is a results business and we need an improvement. A lot of clubs might be happy to be where we are. But we have developed ambition beyond. It is fine to debate things here, but those you you that go need to ooze positivity in the stadium - be the 12th man and all. |  | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January on 17:52 - Dec 15 with 493 views | djgooder |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January on 09:38 - Dec 15 by FrimleyBlue |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 18:30 - Dec 15 with 469 views | AVJones |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 19:41 - Dec 14 by itfcsuth |
Like any recruitment team, you get some right, some wrong, and we have probably got more wrong than right in the past 18 months.
You make good pointers, but this flip side is that of course, Greaves is a £15m supposed PL upgrade on Burgess, but he looked a long way off PL, and would need better if we were to return to PL, not even first choice in the Championship.
Ben Johnson & Kalvin Phillips proved very poor PL expirience additions.
Aro Muric cost £10m or so and is now being loaned out, doesn’t get into our Championship team.
Ogbene, another £8m down the drain and since loaned out.
McAteer at £13m looks mind blowing, struggled in our Championship team.
Jack Clarke and Jaden Philogene, at a cost of £30m, both looked miles off the pace at PL, but you’d hope they would be consistently shine at this level, they play in flashes.
Szmodics at £8m, is he a good fit for our system in the 10, can he stay fit at all.
Azon and Akpom, a pair of panic signings really. [Post edited 15 Dec 0:22]
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Yes, it’s a real mixed bag recently after some truly fantastic windows previously when it was hit after hit. We were spoilt, I guess.
I would have thought it obvious that Omari and Delap were going to leave: not getting a high quality replacement for Delap is what is really hurting us.
And of course that is not easy to achieve but I’d have thought a PL loan - similar to how we brought in Omari originally - would have been ideal. [Post edited 15 Dec 18:32]
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 10:07 - Dec 16 with 340 views | Radlett_blue |
Interesting all the downvotes for this post when the author has asked a very reasonable question. KM has had riches to spend in the summer of both 2025 & 2024 & despite the loss of our 2 best players, we should be doing better. January is rarely a time when you find bargains, although if KM asked for funding for another striker, I think that could make a big difference as Akpom (although not a no.9) looks a misfit & Azon is no more than a 3rd striker right now. |  |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 11:58 - Dec 16 with 304 views | Bobbychase |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 16:12 - Dec 14 by Axeldalai_lama |
Has it been bad from an owners perspective? Not great, but, they've got about £80 million back from the 3 sales over the summer. It sounds like Murica might Ven wipe his face. What about the 'flops' this season? We're not going to get mega bucks but I'm sure we could sell O shea, Jaden and Clarke for a chunk of what we bought them for, a small loss in football terms. Egili and Nunez despite being part of the less than amazing team I feel could potentially be worth more than we paid already, Matusiwa too. Mcateer and Greaves look like fairly big overspends at times, szmodic maybe too.
Hardly a terrible record, at least financially and will definitely get him more time/money. Ironically that could be part of the problem. The onus on biggish fees for young ish players for sell on value is an obvious strategy that makes sense but is maybe a bit restrictive. |
It's been incredible for the owners, Premier League football - albeit for one season - way ahead of schedule and the valuation of the club has soared.
McAteer looks like a flop so far, but if anyone can find me a club that has a 100% success record on transfers I'd be amazed. |  |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 12:56 - Dec 16 with 264 views | OldFart71 |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 16:25 - Dec 14 by Iwasthere |
Not if they have any sense.
I expect the usual defamatory replies from the usual suspects, but McKenna has taken us a far as he can. His record over the past 18 months proves that.
If he is lucky he will get to the end of the season, which I sadly expect.to happen.
He needs fresh ideas and an experienced new first team coach to be appointed along side him. He is probably too stubborn to let that happen. |
One thing that is easy is to be an armchair manager. Saying KM should have done this, could have done that.
What none of us really understand is what it takes to get out of this League and then to stay in the Premier League.
Players that have been bought or brought in on loan were in the main accepted as what we needed.But what cannot be legislated for is that so many of the players brought in just haven't cut the mustard.
Egeli is young, moved from a lesser league and from another Country.
None of those bought to support Hirst in the form of Akpom, Azon, McAteer or Szmodics have proved their worth.
Midfield wise Taylor hasn't been able to nail down a place until this season and that may be more to do with a lack of alternatives as there's only Cajuste who hasn't been able to play a full 90 minutes or consecutive games very often.
As we saw with the two promotion seasons it's more to do with being a team than having a few great individual players. | | | |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 18:47 - Dec 16 with 140 views | Radlett_blue |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 11:58 - Dec 16 by Bobbychase |
It's been incredible for the owners, Premier League football - albeit for one season - way ahead of schedule and the valuation of the club has soared.
McAteer looks like a flop so far, but if anyone can find me a club that has a 100% success record on transfers I'd be amazed. |
Building a successful football team isn't just about recruiting good players, it's about the balance of the team & putting these players where they will be effective. That's what seems to be lacking. | |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 20:34 - Dec 16 with 96 views | bournemouthblue |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 18:47 - Dec 16 by Radlett_blue |
Building a successful football team isn't just about recruiting good players, it's about the balance of the team & putting these players where they will be effective. That's what seems to be lacking. |
That's where you hope January comes in |  |
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| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 20:43 - Dec 16 with 79 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Just wonder will owners give money to mckenna in January? on 15:57 - Dec 14 by jasondozzell |
We are not even halfway through a championship season. It's a marathon to get halfway through and it'll be another marathon after.
We are fifth. We are 8 points off second.
KM was brought here for a project. He did such a good job that we got to the PL 3 years ahead of schedule!!!!
Everyone needs to get a grip.
It's not a sodding video game. |
“Some” people definitely need to get a grip I agree. I’d wager a bet that the majority of plastic fans are the newer younger fans who have forgotten where and how long this club has been in the gutter despite having a highly regarded longer term history. People should be very mindful that we have a top young manager who is still learning and is likely prone to mistakes, even after a rocket ship start in his management journey. We also have an ownership group who appear unlikely to stop throwing money at us until we are an established PL club. Go back 5-15 years and realign your expectations if you’re struggling with the current roller coaster pls and get behind the team. |  |
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