| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained 15:47 - Apr 1 with 6195 views | maxslaro |
"Players are understood to have reacted similarly, while a number of sponsors, believed to include Halo, the University of Suffolk and Ed Sheeran, all contacted the Blues giving their thoughts on the matter."
and the owners aren't happy
"The Town board held an emergency meeting last Thursday and discussions between the various investment groups which make up the ownership are understood to be continuing, the visit having come as an unwelcome surprise to the US arm of the club, who had little or no knowledge of Farage or Reform until the story broke."
more than anything else, owners/sponsors being unhappy is probably what means Ashton has to step down in the summer. |  | | |  |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:17 - Apr 1 with 1425 views | Swansea_Blue |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 15:58 - Apr 1 by J2BLUE |
Really pleased the owners had nothing to do with it. |
One of the silver linings in all this is it’s good to see how many people hate Farage and want nothing to do with his sh*tstirring. |  |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:22 - Apr 1 with 1391 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 17:48 - Apr 1 by bartyg |
Why are they continuing? Don't they know Ashton apologised and now it's time to get together and back the club? |
That wasnt an apology. |  |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:22 - Apr 1 with 1397 views | Dubtractor |
Evidently the owners and sponsors are all wetwipes and lefty cesspit types then yeah? They should step outside the twtd bubble and realise that most people don't care.
That's how it works, isn't it? [Post edited 1 Apr 18:27]
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:25 - Apr 1 with 1360 views | Dubtractor |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:00 - Apr 1 by Illinoisblue |
And the question that’s been asked a hundred times, “why, Mark? For what?” Nothing to be gained from meeting with such a toxic individual in such a clandestine way. Could have avoided fking his career just by being open, saying it was a meeting about football regulator. That easy. But no, ego takes over. Game over. |
Even that football regulator line doesn't really explain the rolling out the red carpet, photo shoot with the farage shirts, and all round Reform pr exercise. | |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:39 - Apr 1 with 1306 views | Broadbent23 |
Unless sponsors do not have conditions on how their trademarks are used with billboards and shirts then the club can show them in photographs/shirt giveaways. A photo when published in the media it is a minefield whether the photo is valid for privacy/content in hundreds of ways. This appears to be an ITFC error. The invite in this case is meaningless but communication to all internal levels within the club had to be related in case of disputes. It could have been Labour. conservatives, Greens also the Raving Loonie Party being invited to Town. It didn't matter who was there; there would have been a fuss. The meeting/lunch was used for political football legislation; therefore all major parties have a right for discussion amongst football clubs. Mark Ashton fault is having two roles. | |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 19:30 - Apr 1 with 1197 views | armchaircritic59 |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 16:11 - Apr 1 by TheMoralMajority |
It's always going to be an issue for me. I'm just going to stop banging on about it, as I realise how tedious it is (that is not to say that it is any less important).
I'll just express my frustration in other ways, such as no longer spending any money on the club (or as little as possible).
Not exactly the world's greatest protest, sure, but I don't see why I have to make other people's lives more miserable because they don't agree with me. [Post edited 1 Apr 16:13]
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That's much better than simply not going and withdrawing support from those who have done nothing wrong ( the squad, manager and his staff ), in order to " punish " someone who you believe has. Just like everyone else here and elsewhere, you have a right to express your views. It doesn't matter how many agree or disagree. | | | |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 19:31 - Apr 1 with 1206 views | itfc48 |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 16:22 - Apr 1 by andyblue231 |
Exactly. It cleanses our image and arguably there's less for a CEO to do now than in the summer.
Give it Westy for the rest of the season! [Post edited 1 Apr 16:23]
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I reckon Matt Holland would do an excellent job as a statesman. Lacks experience in football administration however he’s a smart guy and would learn quickly. | | | |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 19:34 - Apr 1 with 1177 views | GlasgowBlue |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 19:31 - Apr 1 by itfc48 |
I reckon Matt Holland would do an excellent job as a statesman. Lacks experience in football administration however he’s a smart guy and would learn quickly. |
With the greatest of respect to Matt Holland, he wouldn't know where to start as a CEO of an organisation as big as ours. The amount of plates Ashton will have spinning at the same time, it's not a job that you put a novice in. |  |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 19:36 - Apr 1 with 1161 views | Dubtractor |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 19:34 - Apr 1 by GlasgowBlue |
With the greatest of respect to Matt Holland, he wouldn't know where to start as a CEO of an organisation as big as ours. The amount of plates Ashton will have spinning at the same time, it's not a job that you put a novice in. |
Indeed. Ashton clearly works incredibly hard and knows the job, despite everything else. If he is to leave we need to replace him with someone of similar calibre and experience from another English club. He's not just a spokesman, that role will need someone who makes numerous critical decisions every day. | |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 19:38 - Apr 1 with 1145 views | NthQldITFC |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 19:31 - Apr 1 by itfc48 |
I reckon Matt Holland would do an excellent job as a statesman. Lacks experience in football administration however he’s a smart guy and would learn quickly. |
I agree in the sense that he would be an ideal front man at the top of the club now - someone who could actively steer us out of the mess we're in better than anyone else perhaps, because of his connection and reputation here - but he'd obviously need help from an experienced partner.
That's not to say that he would just be a mouthpiece - the sort of 'morality' I feel he'd offer ought to be just as strategically important now as the more traditional roles of the CEO. [Post edited 1 Apr 19:39]
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 20:18 - Apr 1 with 1040 views | Guthrum |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 19:31 - Apr 1 by itfc48 |
I reckon Matt Holland would do an excellent job as a statesman. Lacks experience in football administration however he’s a smart guy and would learn quickly. |
Better role for Holland would be as Chairman, Tho he'd need to learn a lot about governance and legal oversight in double-quick time. |  |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 20:26 - Apr 1 with 1007 views | MattinLondon |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:39 - Apr 1 by Broadbent23 |
Unless sponsors do not have conditions on how their trademarks are used with billboards and shirts then the club can show them in photographs/shirt giveaways. A photo when published in the media it is a minefield whether the photo is valid for privacy/content in hundreds of ways. This appears to be an ITFC error. The invite in this case is meaningless but communication to all internal levels within the club had to be related in case of disputes. It could have been Labour. conservatives, Greens also the Raving Loonie Party being invited to Town. It didn't matter who was there; there would have been a fuss. The meeting/lunch was used for political football legislation; therefore all major parties have a right for discussion amongst football clubs. Mark Ashton fault is having two roles. |
Mark Ashton’s fault is lying and trying his best to worm his way out of it.
The meeting for political matters relating to football is sensible and very few people have issues with that. But the other stuff simply reeks of a poltucal advert for a party. |  | | |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 20:29 - Apr 1 with 989 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 17:48 - Apr 1 by bartyg |
Why are they continuing? Don't they know Ashton apologised and now it's time to get together and back the club? |
Although this may be entirely tongue-in-cheek from you, in case it isn't ...
can you tell me what he did apologise for?
Because it sounded like he apologised for ... the hurt and upset that some people feel ... whilst also framing that more with "there are a lot of mistruths out there." |  |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 20:51 - Apr 1 with 903 views | bartyg |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 20:29 - Apr 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Although this may be entirely tongue-in-cheek from you, in case it isn't ...
can you tell me what he did apologise for?
Because it sounded like he apologised for ... the hurt and upset that some people feel ... whilst also framing that more with "there are a lot of mistruths out there." |
Sorry, it seems my sarcasm didn't come across so well. |  |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 21:21 - Apr 1 with 833 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 20:51 - Apr 1 by bartyg |
Sorry, it seems my sarcasm didn't come across so well. |
I wasn't sure. I couldn't recall your previous posting on the issue. Apologies. | |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 21:22 - Apr 1 with 801 views | darkhorse28 |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 16:07 - Apr 1 by J2BLUE |
Well, it's working. I realise that's not really the point and it's not the strongest response but with each passing day the issue (generally, for the fanbase, not certain individuals) become a bit less of an issue.
So it's reasonably effective. |
Not at all.
One thing defines these issues.., always does in football…, results.
First bad one - he’s getting it large, a series of ones and rather than KM Ashton will (rightly) be front and centre for all the waste and poor decisions.
It’s always results - that and not giving players an easy out to play badly .., if we lose nobody is blaming the players short term .., Ashton has broke a few taboos lately…, can’t see it ending well in the short term too.
Imagine McKenna will/should be furious .., not ideal. | | | |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 21:23 - Apr 1 with 823 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:17 - Apr 1 by Swansea_Blue |
One of the silver linings in all this is it’s good to see how many people hate Farage and want nothing to do with his sh*tstirring. |
I see it the opposite way, especially bearing in mind a lot of people who are angry are so because of the politicisation and not who it is.
I find it worrying how many apologists and supporters he has. | |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 21:34 - Apr 1 with 783 views | olimar |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:39 - Apr 1 by Broadbent23 |
Unless sponsors do not have conditions on how their trademarks are used with billboards and shirts then the club can show them in photographs/shirt giveaways. A photo when published in the media it is a minefield whether the photo is valid for privacy/content in hundreds of ways. This appears to be an ITFC error. The invite in this case is meaningless but communication to all internal levels within the club had to be related in case of disputes. It could have been Labour. conservatives, Greens also the Raving Loonie Party being invited to Town. It didn't matter who was there; there would have been a fuss. The meeting/lunch was used for political football legislation; therefore all major parties have a right for discussion amongst football clubs. Mark Ashton fault is having two roles. |
Youd think other political parties have already met with the club to discuss that same football regulator bill, particularly the one in actual government who are going to implement it. Maybe they have, but surprising that the club didnt choose to mention that as a plausible explanation of the meeting at least.
Which to me either means they havent met anyone else yet, which is bizarre/incompetent, or the football regulator bill wasnt the primary purpose of the meeting/visit. I think I know which. | | | |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 21:39 - Apr 1 with 770 views | olimar |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:00 - Apr 1 by Illinoisblue |
And the question that’s been asked a hundred times, “why, Mark? For what?” Nothing to be gained from meeting with such a toxic individual in such a clandestine way. Could have avoided fking his career just by being open, saying it was a meeting about football regulator. That easy. But no, ego takes over. Game over. |
As just posted elsewhere on this thread, what really would have been easy would have been to say it wasnt the first meeting with a politician to talk about the football regulator bill- if we felt the need to meet with Farage to discuss it, then surely we have already met with someone in the Labour government who are implementing it.
Which either means Farage is the first, which would look like an extremely strange starting point to say the least, or that wasnt the purpose of the meeting..... | | | |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 22:16 - Apr 1 with 665 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:07 - Apr 1 by GlasgowBlue |
As I was saying to somebody else, what poor judgement. Not just the invitation but the lies to media and the fanbase. He could have delivered another promotion and the completion of the new training facilities.
Completely tarnished any legacy he may have had. |
Unless he was actually meeting with Farage to discuss coming in to work for or be a candidate for Reform, with an eye to a portfolio.
They have plenty of rentagobs, not many people with experience of tightening ships and delivering.
If it was effectively a job interview, or an invitation to lay out terms and conditions, then it all makes sense. | | | |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 02:11 - Apr 2 with 493 views | Camul123 |
So, Halo wave goodbye? | | | |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 05:56 - Apr 2 with 434 views | acj |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:25 - Apr 1 by Dubtractor |
Even that football regulator line doesn't really explain the rolling out the red carpet, photo shoot with the farage shirts, and all round Reform pr exercise. |
Absolutely right. Meeting with a prominent politician (yes, even that one) to discuss policy around the potential establishment of an independent football regulator is the only bit out of any of this that makes some sense.
All the rest is completely bonkers and I really don’t see how anyone other than Farage and Reform get anything out of any of this. At best, Ashton has shown himself to be thoroughly incompetent. At worst, he’s trading the clubs reputation for his own personal gain and to curry favour with the far right.
I’ve seen people framing it as a mistake or poor judgement, but I just don’t understand at all what he thought he was going to achieve. Until he explains that, there’s no chance he’ll win back the trust of the fanbase because it’s impossible to gauge where he’s trying to lead us. |  |
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 06:51 - Apr 2 with 405 views | bluelagos |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 18:25 - Apr 1 by Dubtractor |
Even that football regulator line doesn't really explain the rolling out the red carpet, photo shoot with the farage shirts, and all round Reform pr exercise. |
It's gone beyond "Farage duped us" which if credible and true and followed by a genuine apology would have left Ashton in post to rebuild the damage.
That boat sailed when Ashton lied to the press (and by extention the fans) in trying to cover up the truth.
The free shirts given by the club is such an important part to this story as it destroys the club and Ashton's official line.
Where I am drifting now is why the lack of action? Clear to many sensible observers that Ashton's position is no longer tenable yet the failure to act brings it's own dangers and reputational damage.
The club acts decisively and by that act it distances itself from everything Ashton did. It waits til the summer and it's more, "yeah it wasn't good but now we know it's costing us money so we decided to ditch him" - a positive move but the full on car crash that is entirely foreseeable.
The owners according to KOA had no prior knowledge (thankfully) but by delaying they damage the clubs reputation a little bit more every day they fail to act.
So the contagion grows. And there is no doubt they can act whenever they want should they chose. Being generous convening an emergency meeting must be a nightmare given these guys have busy diaries. Was thinking a bank holiday would be a perfect time but don't think Easter is a bank holiday in the US.
That factor is about the only mitigation I can see for their failure to act in the best interests of the club. The "no one to replace him" issue isn't that hard to sort if the need to remove Ashton is accepted..
By delaying you are leaving in place a person who could further damage the club. If Ashton knows the writing is on the wall he will be looking for his next opportunity, quite possibly at a rival club. Anyone doubt he would be thinking about which staff he would want to take with him?
I doubt there's any sensitive info that needs protecting, but for me it would 100% be a case of clear your desk please. [Post edited 2 Apr 7:11]
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| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 06:59 - Apr 2 with 399 views | Olcol |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 16:07 - Apr 1 by J2BLUE |
Well, it's working. I realise that's not really the point and it's not the strongest response but with each passing day the issue (generally, for the fanbase, not certain individuals) become a bit less of an issue.
So it's reasonably effective. |
It is and will be a huge issue when we try to buy new players and keep our best players during the next transfer window. Ashton has to go before then. | | | |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 07:16 - Apr 2 with 350 views | bluelagos |
| so Phil says Halo and Ed Sheeran complained on 06:59 - Apr 2 by Olcol |
It is and will be a huge issue when we try to buy new players and keep our best players during the next transfer window. Ashton has to go before then. |
100% player recruitment is harder with the guy who (seemingly) courted Farage still in place.
A private dinner, a private discussion, no issues. The club facilitating a Reform PR exercise and that is an image that doesn't go away.
Players agents consider their image rights...our players consider their image rights.
Why anyone in a senior position thinks a slow motion car crash is the way forward in have no idea. Genuinely baffling. | |
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