| Liam Rosenior - convince me 13:36 - Jun 12 with 1394 views | itfcjoe |
I'm pretty relaxed about who we appoint next, and trust the club to get on with it....but funnily really struggle with Liam Rosenior who a lot of people seem to like. He's about the only one I'd want to veto from an experienced old head like Sean Dyche, down to an inexperienced coach like Brian Barry-Murphy or a foreign manager.
I don't really hold the Chelsea job against him, but just found his Hull team a pretty tough watch in the main, they had that great game against us but whenever I watched them they seemed so stodgy in possession, and totally clueless in how to turn possession into goals.
When you look at the squad they had for the second half of the season - Jacob Greaves, Jaden Philogene, Liam Delap, Tyler Morton, Ryan Giles, Pandur the keeper, Fabio Carvalho, Zaroury from Burnley, Noah Ohio, etc. and they won 3 of last 11 games to miss out on the play offs.
Hard to judge his Strasbourg spell, which is a strange job but he seemed to do well enough there; but just not one I really like at all |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 13:38 - Jun 12 with 1292 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Says all you need to know in the para about the Hull squad, in reality they vastly underperformed. The worrying thing about his Chelsea stint is just how quickly the players turned and he clearly had no respect from them. Doesn't bode well when it happened so quickly. |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 13:38 - Jun 12 with 1271 views | hoppy |
I've got nothing additional to add to help on this.
Personally, I don't get any excitement from the thought of Rosenior. I suspect it's just because he came to us on loan once and therefore has a club connection that some people would like him for? |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 13:39 - Jun 12 with 1259 views | Rozz |
I'm with you. Never been impressed. |  | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 13:41 - Jun 12 with 1210 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I cant!!
His track record isnt great, and he comes across as an odd character.
Imagine being in a meeting with him and Ashton with all their jargon. |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 13:45 - Jun 12 with 1149 views | positivity |
i think he'll go on to better things, but not convinced he's the right person for here and now.
would be an awful fit with our current ceo/chairman, without any of the structure above him to rein in his brent-isms. |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 13:46 - Jun 12 with 1138 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I said exactly this on another thread. I watched his Hull team a few times that season and did not like what I saw. Was very dull football for the most part. Chelsea was a disaster on and off the pitch. He comes with some baggage now imo.
I'm amazed how many people are open to Rosenior but not Gary O'Neil when GON has much better resume. FWIW I dont want either really. |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 13:46 - Jun 12 with 1132 views | _CliveBaker_ |
I don't get it either, one of those managers with a reasonable amount of hype but nothing to really back it up. To not get Hull to the playoffs was, IMO, and under performance given the squad they had assembled for him. As you say they had a number of decent players at Champ level and I wasn't hugely impressed with them that season, 7th was a pretty mediocre outcome.
Didn't tear up any trees at Strasbourg either finishing 7th.
The mocking of him on social media at Chelsea was completely OTT and I do feel for him with that, basket case club and a role he never stood a chance in and shouldn't have ever been given, but purely looking at his achievements in management I don't see enough to justify him getting a premier league job next. Needs to go and prove himself at a Bristol City or something IMO, get a club like that up and I'll believe the hype. |  | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 13:47 - Jun 12 with 1130 views | andyblue231 |
He seemed to cross that line from bad results into figure of fun. A few others have done the same off the top of my head -
Bob Bradley
Felix Magath
Nathan Jones
Russell Martin
Frank De Boer
Probably others too. So hard to come back from that when your job is walking into a group of young men scouring for weakness.
It's bad enough when fans are screaming at you but when they start laughing, you're in real trouble. [Post edited 12 Jun 13:50]
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 13:47 - Jun 12 with 1112 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I'm not going to try, I'm not at all convinced by him. Its like he's swallowed a book on management consultancy for dummies |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:00 - Jun 12 with 944 views | franz_tyson |
I've always got the impression the media seemed desperate to promote him as The New Modern Young Coach. Like the complete opposite of the old school, out-of-date gaffer that the so-called experts sneered at.
I remember when he was booted out at Hull and there was a genuine out-cry that he was hard done by, even though he failed to reach the top six with a very strong squad.
Over-hyped and think he started to believe his own publicity. Chelsea did us a favour by exposing him. Hope we stay clear. | | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:02 - Jun 12 with 905 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I really liked Rosenior until he returned to the country with Chelsea. He got into a them and us situation with the press and went very weird. I have no problem with him if we can get the Rosenior from before then. Hopefully he wouldn't get the antagonism he had there. |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:08 - Jun 12 with 844 views | tractorshark |
Not convinced by Rosenior.
His achievements don’t really leap out at me.
We don’t need a Championship level manager, we need someone to keep us in the Prem, build and attract players.
Chelsea are a bit of a shambles but if you are struggling to get a tune out of players who are supremely gifted, I can’t see it ending well at Ipswich.
He just comes over as a cross between David Brent and Mr Motivator.
People talk about his record at Strasbourg but O’Neil’s cv is far better than Rosenior’s. And O’Neil is a much better coach.
I don’t know enough about the Bodo guy but I do see a higher ceiling with him.
Whether he’ll get found out in the Prem, I don’t know. It’s possible.
Thomas Frank would have been a great fit but sadly he’s putting his feet up. | | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:12 - Jun 12 with 773 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Totally agree - I’d be very annoyed if it’s him, | | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:14 - Jun 12 with 749 views | Miaow |
I really don't want him to age our men. |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:15 - Jun 12 with 724 views | Metal_Hacker |
I think most associate him with being a good choice "because he was at Chelsea" so that must make him a decent manager
Not for me I'm afraid
P.S Sorry I cant help |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:25 - Jun 12 with 608 views | Nutkins_Return |
Liam wouldn't be my pick either honestly but more because I have preferred candidates.
What I would say is I was more of a fan of the body of work he did at Hull. In the context of where he picked them up from and the evolution of the team and the side. He rescued them with pragmatic but well coached football. I thought the team stylistically improved but you are quite right they weren't a McKenna all action team.
I liked that they could adapt to the opposition and he was tactically aware. They could play good football at times but a little bit like Ipswich this season were more functional and controlled (a bit stodgy you said is not unfair at times).
He did a good job overseas which is testament to him being a good coach. I actually thought he started well at Chelsea but had zero chance with the way he was being portrayed n the media which fed through to social media and then the fans. He didn't help himself with trying too hard in interviews to sound thought provoking and intelligent (understandable but he should have carried more personality that I've seen from him before).
I think there are now better options out there but pre the Chelsea job I think he was on a good trajectory and he's a credible guy. Unfortunately for him now there is a bit of media agenda on him as it sells to ridicule! | |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:33 - Jun 12 with 584 views | BlueBlood90 |
It may be unpopular but I would happily appoint Sean Dyche. The football probably wouldn't be pretty but he would certainly give us the best chance of being competitive and staying up. I wouldn't be against a short term mindset with this appointment as it's vital that we just do our best to keep our heads above water for 12-18 months. |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:45 - Jun 12 with 512 views | LeightonBuzzardBlue |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:33 - Jun 12 by BlueBlood90 |
It may be unpopular but I would happily appoint Sean Dyche. The football probably wouldn't be pretty but he would certainly give us the best chance of being competitive and staying up. I wouldn't be against a short term mindset with this appointment as it's vital that we just do our best to keep our heads above water for 12-18 months. |
I rate Dyche and wouldn't be unhappy if he got the job (still wouldn't pick him personally tho!).
People judge his playing style from his time at Burnley, but how else would you have wanted that squad to play? More importantly, he kept them up (and took them into Europe people forget).
His style of play at Everton and Forest wasn't anywhere as near as bad as some people say also
We could do a lot, lot worse |  | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:53 - Jun 12 with 458 views | hype313 |
I don't get it personally, his body of work isn't great and rather than look at his Chelsea spell (Which isn't a barometer of success) I look at his role at Hull, and as you say, given the players at his disposal, he didn't cover himself in glory.
Maybe it's the glasses that give people positive vibes... |  |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 15:02 - Jun 12 with 401 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 14:45 - Jun 12 by LeightonBuzzardBlue |
I rate Dyche and wouldn't be unhappy if he got the job (still wouldn't pick him personally tho!).
People judge his playing style from his time at Burnley, but how else would you have wanted that squad to play? More importantly, he kept them up (and took them into Europe people forget).
His style of play at Everton and Forest wasn't anywhere as near as bad as some people say also
We could do a lot, lot worse |
I think he was really involved in the development of Burnley's training ground too, and while that work might have largely been done now its still valuable experience when it comes to that transition.
There's 2 ways of looking at it really, I don't think Dyche is an exciting 5 year plan type option, but if he did 2 seasons and kept us up that would be a massive contribution towards premier league consolidation. There's no guarantees he's any more likely to do that than others of course, but as a shorter term more pragmatic pick there's some merit in it given his experience and know how. | | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 15:09 - Jun 12 with 374 views | andyblue231 |
Are Allardyce, Pulis and Dyche really safe pairs of hands anymore? Forest and Everton both sacked Dyche because they didn't think so. And Allardyce has been relegated and sacked in his last few jobs.
People often say they want Dyche because staying up is worth the brand of football. I'm just not sure he guarantees you that anymore. Not in a world of young genius European coaches who can see through his 'keep it simple' approach. | | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 15:13 - Jun 12 with 333 views | blueoutlook |
Not for me. Just don’t see what the fuss is with him. |  | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 15:13 - Jun 12 with 322 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 15:02 - Jun 12 by _CliveBaker_ |
I think he was really involved in the development of Burnley's training ground too, and while that work might have largely been done now its still valuable experience when it comes to that transition.
There's 2 ways of looking at it really, I don't think Dyche is an exciting 5 year plan type option, but if he did 2 seasons and kept us up that would be a massive contribution towards premier league consolidation. There's no guarantees he's any more likely to do that than others of course, but as a shorter term more pragmatic pick there's some merit in it given his experience and know how. |
What transition? | |
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| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 15:38 - Jun 12 with 230 views | billlm |
I hope it's not him |  | | |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 16:09 - Jun 12 with 117 views | NedPlimpton |
| Liam Rosenior - convince me on 15:09 - Jun 12 by andyblue231 |
Are Allardyce, Pulis and Dyche really safe pairs of hands anymore? Forest and Everton both sacked Dyche because they didn't think so. And Allardyce has been relegated and sacked in his last few jobs.
People often say they want Dyche because staying up is worth the brand of football. I'm just not sure he guarantees you that anymore. Not in a world of young genius European coaches who can see through his 'keep it simple' approach. |
Dyche managed to keep Everton up despite the points deduction and wasn't awful at Forest. Don't forget they had 4 different managers last season so it's not really a fair assessment of his abilities
One thing I would say about Dyche, particularly whilst at Everton, was that they struggled to attract many players. They ended up signing Broja after we'd pulled out of the deal and were quite often shopping in the same market as us |  | | |
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