| Starmer set to resign on Monday 21:25 - Jun 20 with 17160 views | SitfcB |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:31 - Jun 22 with 852 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:25 - Jun 22 by jasondozzell |
It is.
And we've wasted a decade on this most wretched project by the Labour right who threw a tantrum because they insist on being important people with huge kitchen islands in zone 2. |
Poor kitchen islands, why are you bringing them into this? Would you ban them or just nuke zone 2? |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:33 - Jun 22 with 837 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:31 - Jun 22 by giant_stow |
Poor kitchen islands, why are you bringing them into this? Would you ban them or just nuke zone 2? |
Kitchen islands are at the heart of the malaise this country finds itself in. |  | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:34 - Jun 22 with 829 views | NthQldITFC |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:07 - Jun 22 by bluelagos |
You either believe in free speech and the right to protest or you don't.
He is exercising both and no one should be telling him (or anyone else) where or when it is appropriate to peacefully protest imho. |
Yes, of course, but I don't think everything can be just down to whether or not you've got a right to do it. I might well completely agree with Bray's views, but just out of basic decency I'd keep quiet when the PM was resigning, or the King or Kieran McKenna speaking, somebody playing classical music, or reciting poetry, etc. etc. etc.
If you just say "he's got a right to do it so it's OK" anywhere and any time, where does it end? 99% of places and 99% of times I'd agree with you, but if nothing is 'sacred' our culture just degenerates into who can shout the loudest. |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:35 - Jun 22 with 826 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:33 - Jun 22 by jasondozzell |
Kitchen islands are at the heart of the malaise this country finds itself in. |
Haha, played. | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:37 - Jun 22 with 812 views | NthQldITFC |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:33 - Jun 22 by jasondozzell |
Kitchen islands are at the heart of the malaise this country finds itself in. |
The heart of the mayonnaise.
Bloody French, coming over here, displacing our Salad Cream. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:38]
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:37 - Jun 22 with 790 views | Benters |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:24 - Jun 22 by bartyg |
I wouldn't take too much comfort from a broken-clock Benters endorsement. His only thought on the matter is "labour man bad" |
Balls. |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:43 - Jun 22 with 770 views | bartyg |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:37 - Jun 22 by Benters |
Balls. |
When you've gone to the great garden in the sky, can we program a bot to replace you? Shouldn't take too long. |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:57 - Jun 22 with 707 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 09:49 - Jun 22 by NthQldITFC |
I assumed it was him, but Mason said "people" I think, so wondered if it was another group. Point stands. It could be Thatcher or Fartage standing down and I'd feel the same way about having some bleedin' dignity. |
Definitely Steve Bray.
Agree with your point. And I genuinely wanted to hear what Starmer had to say without the noise. [Post edited 22 Jun 13:05]
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:01 - Jun 22 with 703 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:57 - Jun 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Definitely Steve Bray.
Agree with your point. And I genuinely wanted to hear what Starmer had to say without the noise. [Post edited 22 Jun 13:05]
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Lewis Goodall is an interesting one... he seems to span political divides and have earnt respect. Perhaps this is reflected in his upbring and learnt accent? Whatever - I rarely see people taking at a pop at him, despite him being pretty forthright as in the linked tweet. [Post edited 22 Jun 13:01]
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:01 - Jun 22 with 703 views | tractordownsouth |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:05 - Jun 22 by jayessess |
I don't really see the pragmatism, to be honest?
It was entirely predictable that a Labour Government that spends most of its time telling leftists, liberals, LGBTQ+ people, ethnic minorities broadly to screw off was going to lose them support to various other left and liberal parties. It was broadly predictable that their electoral coalition wouldn't be sustainable without those people. It was entirely predictable that welfare reform and maintaining the 2-child cap wouldn't fly with their MPs.
Is it not 'pragmatic' to actually acknowledge these things as real, material constraints on your political actions? |
The government is economically to the left but the vibes on social issues have undoubtedly been more right-leaning. Gives everyone something to be annoyed about which, in absence of an overarching narrative about what the government is trying to achieve, can lead to problems.
It's an impressive list of achievements laid out today but sadly it wasn't enough. |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:05 - Jun 22 with 669 views | Mullet |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:01 - Jun 22 by giant_stow |
Lewis Goodall is an interesting one... he seems to span political divides and have earnt respect. Perhaps this is reflected in his upbring and learnt accent? Whatever - I rarely see people taking at a pop at him, despite him being pretty forthright as in the linked tweet. [Post edited 22 Jun 13:01]
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He and the rest of the News Agents get dogs abuse by bots (presumably) on Twitter quite often I find. Usually for being ex BBC etc |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:11 - Jun 22 with 647 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:05 - Jun 22 by Mullet |
He and the rest of the News Agents get dogs abuse by bots (presumably) on Twitter quite often I find. Usually for being ex BBC etc |
Ah I tend to dodge replies on Twitter, so have missed this. Fair enough. | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:23 - Jun 22 with 614 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:29 - Jun 22 by redrickstuhaart |
Well this is the bizarre and troubling thing.
Most people when asked dont know this stuff and believe that everything is bad, per farage and social media. Most cant really explain what Starmer is going wrong. They just shout "two tier kier" or some such nonsense. |
OK, I see, so you would suggest that the people and media have got it wrong and Labour's doing a great job?
Will call the family in the UK and tell um to stop worrying, they've never had it so good and Labour as it all under control. That should reassure um loads and guarantee their future Labour votes. |  | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:25 - Jun 22 with 611 views | bluelagos |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:34 - Jun 22 by NthQldITFC |
Yes, of course, but I don't think everything can be just down to whether or not you've got a right to do it. I might well completely agree with Bray's views, but just out of basic decency I'd keep quiet when the PM was resigning, or the King or Kieran McKenna speaking, somebody playing classical music, or reciting poetry, etc. etc. etc.
If you just say "he's got a right to do it so it's OK" anywhere and any time, where does it end? 99% of places and 99% of times I'd agree with you, but if nothing is 'sacred' our culture just degenerates into who can shout the loudest. |
So you want to pick and choose the occasions people can protest?
I think Bray's timing was poor, but in a democracy I welcome all peaceful protest even those whose views I disagree with.
You sound like the monarchists who loudly objected to the Republic protesters who chose to protest the coronation who used the exact same argument, "not now"
If Bray wishes to protest today good luck to him just the same as if any BNP lot wish to. The alternative is a sinister place where we only allow those protests we feel are tasteful. Not for me thanks. |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:27 - Jun 22 with 607 views | positivity |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:23 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue |
OK, I see, so you would suggest that the people and media have got it wrong and Labour's doing a great job?
Will call the family in the UK and tell um to stop worrying, they've never had it so good and Labour as it all under control. That should reassure um loads and guarantee their future Labour votes. |
ask them what metric are they doing poorly on? and how would reform improve it?
the media will always criticise a labour government unless they kow tow to its paymasters like blair |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:28 - Jun 22 with 601 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:23 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue |
OK, I see, so you would suggest that the people and media have got it wrong and Labour's doing a great job?
Will call the family in the UK and tell um to stop worrying, they've never had it so good and Labour as it all under control. That should reassure um loads and guarantee their future Labour votes. |
I would suggest that the hatred for Starmer is way out of proportion with the facts.
Do tell us what it is your family are so troubled by currently in the UK?
Also did they hate the previous government in a similar way? | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:34 - Jun 22 with 576 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:28 - Jun 22 by redrickstuhaart |
I would suggest that the hatred for Starmer is way out of proportion with the facts.
Do tell us what it is your family are so troubled by currently in the UK?
Also did they hate the previous government in a similar way? |
I'm not sure they hate Starmer. Just far from impressed. They definitely disliked the last government as much as this one if not more.
They live mainly on Haverhills Chalkstone and Parkway Council estates or a halting site just outside Harlow. Do you wanna explain to them how they've never had it so good? | | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:37 - Jun 22 with 536 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:27 - Jun 22 by positivity |
ask them what metric are they doing poorly on? and how would reform improve it?
the media will always criticise a labour government unless they kow tow to its paymasters like blair |
I'm not sure most of um do believe Reform would improve it ( though possibly a couple would..). I wouldn't be surprised if about half of won't vote next time.
They just don't see their lives improving i imagine. ( No matter how much Labour tell um it as) | | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:38 - Jun 22 with 532 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:34 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue |
I'm not sure they hate Starmer. Just far from impressed. They definitely disliked the last government as much as this one if not more.
They live mainly on Haverhills Chalkstone and Parkway Council estates or a halting site just outside Harlow. Do you wanna explain to them how they've never had it so good? |
I think its fair to say that most people's standard of living has dropped over the last decade or two, but a financial crash, Brexit and a pandemic haven;t helped and one of those was voted on by the people. I guess more important is are things going the right way now? Hard to say, but it feels like at least the rot has been stopped. | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:38 - Jun 22 with 532 views | MattinLondon |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:37 - Jun 22 by NthQldITFC |
The heart of the mayonnaise.
Bloody French, coming over here, displacing our Salad Cream. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:38]
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Salad cream is vile stuff. |  | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:40 - Jun 22 with 509 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:34 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue |
I'm not sure they hate Starmer. Just far from impressed. They definitely disliked the last government as much as this one if not more.
They live mainly on Haverhills Chalkstone and Parkway Council estates or a halting site just outside Harlow. Do you wanna explain to them how they've never had it so good? |
No one has ever said they did? Complete straw man. What is is they are most upset about from Starmer over the couple of years he has been in office? [Post edited 22 Jun 13:41]
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:44 - Jun 22 with 488 views | grow_our_own |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:29 - Jun 22 by redrickstuhaart |
Well this is the bizarre and troubling thing.
Most people when asked dont know this stuff and believe that everything is bad, per farage and social media. Most cant really explain what Starmer is going wrong. They just shout "two tier kier" or some such nonsense. |
Indeed. In the age of social media, politics has become entertainment. People don't watch EastEnders on TV anymore, they expect politicians to provide their soap opera instead. Attention spans are goldfish-like. Incumbents have a shelf life of a pear. Good, competent PMs, who are mildly dull and can't intonate their voice very well can only last two years. Voters twist and support the new Boaty McBoatface option because, look, he's got a silly mop of blond hair! We can solve everything by blaming <insert out group>! We can just tax the rich and all go on UBI! |  | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:47 - Jun 22 with 471 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:43 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue |
OK, that's convinced um to vote Labour  . Your work is done here Keir |
Not sure what your point is tbh. | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:48 - Jun 22 with 459 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 13:44 - Jun 22 by grow_our_own |
Indeed. In the age of social media, politics has become entertainment. People don't watch EastEnders on TV anymore, they expect politicians to provide their soap opera instead. Attention spans are goldfish-like. Incumbents have a shelf life of a pear. Good, competent PMs, who are mildly dull and can't intonate their voice very well can only last two years. Voters twist and support the new Boaty McBoatface option because, look, he's got a silly mop of blond hair! We can solve everything by blaming <insert out group>! We can just tax the rich and all go on UBI! |
Facile.
The libs throwing up their arms for the predictable 'the country is ungovernable' routine.
The truth is the world we knew came to an end in 2008 and these idiots have been trying to prop it up for 20 years because they want to keep their zone 2 kitchen islands amongst other things. | | | |
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