| So what do France do differently? 23:32 - Jun 30 with 4067 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Both countries have similar populations although France have an extra 5 million men.
Yet France have won 2 Euros and 2 World Cups.
What do you think The FA would need to do? Readopt colonialism? |  |
| |  |
| So what do France do differently? on 07:56 - Jul 1 with 781 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So what do France do differently? on 23:39 - Jun 30 by Wacko |
Create more ghettos in London from which the underprivileged can only escape through sport? |
I think George Osborne’s happy in his new role with OpenAI.
France are in a great place right now, but when you think about it they don’t have any more players than England at this tournament. So we must be similar.
 |  |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 07:59 - Jul 1 with 775 views | MVBlue |
| So what do France do differently? on 04:57 - Jul 1 by Bluespeed225 |
Didn't they do a root and branch reset after failing in some comp's , or even qualifying, late 80's possibly? I think Gerard Houllier was at the forefront of establishing an academy/elite training facility. |
It was after Frances 1998 win that the Fa studied them and Clairfontaine teaching systems
https://www.theguardian.com/fo
The St George’s Park project was the answer and Gareth Southgate was part of it from 2011. So thats why we had more success, you'd warrant. |  |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:06 - Jul 1 with 741 views | BlueBoots |
| So what do France do differently? on 23:53 - Jun 30 by GlasgowBlue |
And not just fur the benefit of the French national team.
“99 footballers, were born in France, according to analysis from Opta, verified by Le Monde. Among them, only 23 wear the French team's jersey. The others are mainly spread across African national teams: 13 for Algeria, 11 for the Democratic Republic of Congo, 10 for Senegal, eight for Côte d'Ivoire, seven for Tunisia and six for Morocco. Haiti's team includes 12, while Qatar and Spain each have just one”.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/spor
In contrast there are roughy half that number of English born players at the tournament, 50, including our own Tommy Smith and George Hirst. |
Read a similar article recently, which added that 53 players at the World Cup were born in Paris or the surrounding area...and despite those riches, one of France's best players was born up the road from me in West London |  |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:07 - Jul 1 with 739 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So what do France do differently? on 07:50 - Jul 1 by BseaBlue |
France has approximately 12,200 Uefa B coaching badge holders. In comparison, England's is roughly 1,190! The extortionate costs put off a lot of people from wanting to do it in this Country.
Spain has approximately 24,000 Uefa qualified coaches! Ultimately, if the FA were to reduce their prices and invest in local coaching, the standards across the Country would improve.
This extract was from Sky sports: 'France has exponentially more UEFA B holders than England due to a heavily subsidized, state-backed coaching framework run by the French Football Federation (FFF). In contrast, English football has historically been bottlenecked by The FA's expensive tuition fees and exclusive course admissions' [Post edited 1 Jul 7:53]
|
For most people its the time committent that stops mid level coaching progress. Amidst our heavy work / long hours culture. Though the B licence is 1200 quid plus so certainly that is also an issue.
They have also ruined the old Level 1 qualification. Its all elearning and webinars. When I did it, it was practical and in person. You had to get your boots on and be involved in training games and drills etc as part of learning to coach and put them on. [Post edited 1 Jul 8:17]
|  |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:07 - Jul 1 with 735 views | NthQldITFC |
| So what do France do differently? on 00:18 - Jul 1 by GlasgowBlue |
A lot of what Gainsborough says mage sense. Plus the Premier League attracting the best players from around the world limits the chances of young English players. And that feeds down to the Championship. |
Serge Gainsborough?
I've never understood what "I love you, me neither" means, meself.
I do know he was fond of a snail and apparently used to let them crawl all over the front of his trousers.
When it comes to French forwards and their ability to find space, they're trained from a very early age to shrug off defenders, with a manoeuvre commonly known as the Gallic Shrug.
Beyond the above, I know nothing. |  |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:10 - Jul 1 with 728 views | BloomBlue |
Much bigger country, that gives vastly more space to use jumpers as goal posts and have a kick around.
Also once we do get a kid with a bit of unique talent, the public crucify them once they start doing well. Beckham makes a mistake and public hang him, Rooney had constant bad press. Christ even in darts, Littler was the darling of the public when he first played in the world championship and after he wins a couple of major tournaments the public turn on him.
Look at Bellingham, a real talent, but you see loads of fans moaning about his attitude, arrogance etc etc.
If Mbappe played for England it would be the same, but you don't see the French fans moaning about Mbappe's similar failings they celebrate it, understanding that is what helps make him the player he is.
All that leads to us knocking out the flair from youngsters, its all about patterns and zonal etc. |  | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:12 - Jul 1 with 715 views | Leaky |
| So what do France do differently? on 00:49 - Jul 1 by Ryorry |
Make more babies, TWTDers.
You never know! |
In this heat, will make an effort not holding out much hope at 75 |  | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:19 - Jul 1 with 701 views | BseaBlue |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:07 - Jul 1 by redrickstuhaart |
For most people its the time committent that stops mid level coaching progress. Amidst our heavy work / long hours culture. Though the B licence is 1200 quid plus so certainly that is also an issue.
They have also ruined the old Level 1 qualification. Its all elearning and webinars. When I did it, it was practical and in person. You had to get your boots on and be involved in training games and drills etc as part of learning to coach and put them on. [Post edited 1 Jul 8:17]
|
You are bang on. I completed what was the level 1 last summer (Now the 'Introduction to coaching') It was three webinars and some e-learning modules. I felt it was a complete waste of time and learned nothing.
The limited drills they discussed could have been found anywhere on the internet. |  | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| So what do France do differently? on 08:35 - Jul 1 with 664 views | itfcjoe |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:07 - Jul 1 by redrickstuhaart |
For most people its the time committent that stops mid level coaching progress. Amidst our heavy work / long hours culture. Though the B licence is 1200 quid plus so certainly that is also an issue.
They have also ruined the old Level 1 qualification. Its all elearning and webinars. When I did it, it was practical and in person. You had to get your boots on and be involved in training games and drills etc as part of learning to coach and put them on. [Post edited 1 Jul 8:17]
|
I think the figures are a myth as well, a few years back I spent some time looking up how much these courses cost in other countries and they were broadly similar - and the numbers nowhere near as high as mentioned in oft quoted stats......these stats have just taken on a life of their own
In places like Germany they have extra licences between B and A, you have to be coaching a proper team to be accepted on to course etc |  |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:44 - Jul 1 with 629 views | DJR |
| So what do France do differently? on 00:08 - Jul 1 by Mercian |
Take an English born prospect from Palace and turn him into a superstar. Olise was world class today. |
This, from Wikipedia, suggests he was never an option.
Olise was born in England to a Nigerian father and Franco-Algerian mother, and was eligible to represent France, Algeria, England or Nigeria internationally.
When asked why he chose to represent France rather than England, Olise said, "I have always had a connection with the France national team, that is why I play for France." "It's been my dream since I was a kid" to play in the French team. |  | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:44 - Jul 1 with 627 views | WeWereZombies |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:10 - Jul 1 by BloomBlue |
Much bigger country, that gives vastly more space to use jumpers as goal posts and have a kick around.
Also once we do get a kid with a bit of unique talent, the public crucify them once they start doing well. Beckham makes a mistake and public hang him, Rooney had constant bad press. Christ even in darts, Littler was the darling of the public when he first played in the world championship and after he wins a couple of major tournaments the public turn on him.
Look at Bellingham, a real talent, but you see loads of fans moaning about his attitude, arrogance etc etc.
If Mbappe played for England it would be the same, but you don't see the French fans moaning about Mbappe's similar failings they celebrate it, understanding that is what helps make him the player he is.
All that leads to us knocking out the flair from youngsters, its all about patterns and zonal etc. |
I don't think that's quite accurate, I was enthusing about Mbappé to a French woman a couple of years ago and she was very frosty about him. It seems to be pretty standard amongst desperate journalists (or maybe they write good press and their editors introduce the nastiness that they feel sells content) across the World to denigrate well known people as soon as they put a foot wrong. |  |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:45 - Jul 1 with 621 views | Crawfordsboot |
They and their immigrant population do not play cricket!
The French immigrant population is heavily drawn from African countries whilst England’s is drawn heavily from India, Pakistan and the West Indies. [Post edited 1 Jul 8:52]
|  | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:51 - Jul 1 with 578 views | wrightsrightglove |
They’ve won things in very recent history and I think that makes all the difference. The 80 years of hurt adds a completely different pressure to the England team. I think if we won this World Cup (I don’t think we will) we’d go on to win the euros and be vastly more successful over the coming years. We desperately need that monkey off of our backs | | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:53 - Jul 1 with 572 views | WeWereZombies |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:45 - Jul 1 by Crawfordsboot |
They and their immigrant population do not play cricket!
The French immigrant population is heavily drawn from African countries whilst England’s is drawn heavily from India, Pakistan and the West Indies. [Post edited 1 Jul 8:52]
|
Are you talking about all the English who went over there when France was part of England in the 1400s or about all the French who came over here in 1066 ? | |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:54 - Jul 1 with 574 views | BlueBlood90 |
Snatch players who should be playing for England is one thing. |  |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:56 - Jul 1 with 562 views | BseaBlue |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:35 - Jul 1 by itfcjoe |
I think the figures are a myth as well, a few years back I spent some time looking up how much these courses cost in other countries and they were broadly similar - and the numbers nowhere near as high as mentioned in oft quoted stats......these stats have just taken on a life of their own
In places like Germany they have extra licences between B and A, you have to be coaching a proper team to be accepted on to course etc |
Although the costs are similar, there is state funding available via different avenues whch means a higher uptake in the qualification. I believe the only funding available in this Country is for low income earners. | | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 09:01 - Jul 1 with 546 views | EdwardStone |
| So what do France do differently? on 00:04 - Jul 1 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
It's their no surrender attitude. |
So they are no-surrender cheese-eating monkeys? |  | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 09:11 - Jul 1 with 529 views | WeWereZombies |
| So what do France do differently? on 09:01 - Jul 1 by EdwardStone |
So they are no-surrender cheese-eating monkeys? |
On push bikes in stripey T-shirts with strings of onions over their shoulders... | |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 09:25 - Jul 1 with 496 views | EdwardStone |
| So what do France do differently? on 09:01 - Jul 1 by EdwardStone |
So they are no-surrender cheese-eating monkeys? |
Or possibly cheese-eating no-surrender monkeys | | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 09:33 - Jul 1 with 483 views | IndependentlyBlue |
| So what do France do differently? on 08:51 - Jul 1 by wrightsrightglove |
They’ve won things in very recent history and I think that makes all the difference. The 80 years of hurt adds a completely different pressure to the England team. I think if we won this World Cup (I don’t think we will) we’d go on to win the euros and be vastly more successful over the coming years. We desperately need that monkey off of our backs |
Only 60 years of hurt (and counting) Shirley? |  |
| Better to stay silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 09:48 - Jul 1 with 441 views | darkhorse28 |
| So what do France do differently? on 00:29 - Jul 1 by armchaircritic59 |
That's the question that needs to be put to the powers that be here. I've watched football for 63 years and I think this is probably one of the two best French teams I've seen. If this team had the dream midfield trio of Platini, Tigana and Giresse that the 1980's French team had, you could stop the competition right now and hand them the trophy, no one would come within a country mile of living with them. No one might this time either, though possibly the biggest clash of footballing styles you could ever wish to see is coming up for them next!
The question for me, is why do they continually turn out players with tons of flair, skill, pace and just natural ability and we struggle to do so. Coaching and academy quality? Plus they seem to be allowed to express freely the skills they have. We look very formulaic by comparison. As Thomas Tuchel says, it's about patterns of play. I say it isn't, it's about putting the ball in the back of the net, something else this French team seem pretty good at! No such thing as a truly unbeatable football team, but they are nearer than the vast majority. |
Styles make fights. It’s a low block, fighting like hungry dogs, with pace on the break that will kill them (if anything does).
Sweden caused them issues when they were direct with quality. You can’t play through the thirds against them, if you lose the ball they have far too much quality.
If they have a deep lying play maker with huge quality like Platini, they’d be unstoppable, but as it is, I think they can be beaten.
They seem perfect to beat us by about 3 or more.., they’d sit deep against us and we couldn’t cope with their pace and quality on the break…, hopefully we don’t need to play them. | | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 09:55 - Jul 1 with 448 views | hype313 |
| So what do France do differently? on 00:29 - Jul 1 by armchaircritic59 |
That's the question that needs to be put to the powers that be here. I've watched football for 63 years and I think this is probably one of the two best French teams I've seen. If this team had the dream midfield trio of Platini, Tigana and Giresse that the 1980's French team had, you could stop the competition right now and hand them the trophy, no one would come within a country mile of living with them. No one might this time either, though possibly the biggest clash of footballing styles you could ever wish to see is coming up for them next!
The question for me, is why do they continually turn out players with tons of flair, skill, pace and just natural ability and we struggle to do so. Coaching and academy quality? Plus they seem to be allowed to express freely the skills they have. We look very formulaic by comparison. As Thomas Tuchel says, it's about patterns of play. I say it isn't, it's about putting the ball in the back of the net, something else this French team seem pretty good at! No such thing as a truly unbeatable football team, but they are nearer than the vast majority. |
The 98 team was none too shabby either.. |  |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 10:07 - Jul 1 with 432 views | Swansea_Blue |
Olise looked good on the highlights. I know we couldn’t get Mbappe, so thought ooh, I wonder about this bloke? Checks stats: 25 goals and 28 assists for Bayern. *Closes search window, slinks off hoping nobody noticed*
They’ve some ridiculous players. | |
| |
| So what do France do differently? on 10:18 - Jul 1 with 423 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Bigger population is a factor, and diverse demographics in the country from nations that build good footballers. Football is the primary sport there, they have twice as many active players registered to their FA (FFF) than in England.
Couple that with excellent academies like Clairfontaine (responsible for world greats like Henry, Anelka, Mbappe and Kevin Bru) and an easier pathway into their top tier. Most of the players in Ligue 1 are French, which isn't the case in PL.
More players getting a great footballing education is ultimately going to lead to a stronger talent pool. |  | | |
| So what do France do differently? on 12:39 - Jul 1 with 321 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| So what do France do differently? on 01:08 - Jul 1 by Perublue |
It’s a tough crowd out there !! |
andyblue231 not a fan of throwaway comments based on largely inaccurate historical reputations. |  | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
