| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then 16:38 - Aug 17 with 4022 views | clive_baker |
Good. Shame it took such mismanagement initially to get to this though.
Does this mean there will be kids at posh schools who have sh1thoused some good grades and will now be revised down?
What a mess. |  |
| |  |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 16:57 - Aug 17 with 2494 views | kizaitfc |
No there will be no downgrades only upgrades for the teach assessment.
Absolute shambles, how did they not realise what an uproar this would cause.
Personally I don't think the teach grades are ideal but they appear to be the best option they have, I worry it will create a sense of employers seeing 2019-20 grades and thinking to themselves "Oh that was COVID-19 year so not a proper exam grade" |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 17:03 - Aug 17 with 2485 views | factual_blue |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 16:57 - Aug 17 by kizaitfc |
No there will be no downgrades only upgrades for the teach assessment.
Absolute shambles, how did they not realise what an uproar this would cause.
Personally I don't think the teach grades are ideal but they appear to be the best option they have, I worry it will create a sense of employers seeing 2019-20 grades and thinking to themselves "Oh that was COVID-19 year so not a proper exam grade" |
It's almost as though boris is trying to curry favour with the people who aren't going to vote for him again. |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 17:06 - Aug 17 with 2482 views | BlueBadger |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 17:03 - Aug 17 by factual_blue |
It's almost as though boris is trying to curry favour with the people who aren't going to vote for him again. |
I fear you're underestimating the degree of stupidity embedded in the British electorate. [Post edited 17 Aug 2020 17:14]
|  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 17:11 - Aug 17 with 2459 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
I think only the A Level students who got off their backsides and protested should have their grades re-assessed, to encourage an attitude of civic participation.
Or maybe everyone except them to teach the younger generation that life isn't fair. | | | |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 17:17 - Aug 17 with 2438 views | lowhouseblue |
absolute shambles. there needed to be effective moderation of the school predictions, but it was done in such an utterly incompetent manner - and over a period of 5 months when they clearly failed to logic test what they were doing - that we've ended up with the worst outcome. huge grade inflation and the credibility of qualifications undermined. a farce of monumental proportions. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 17:21 - Aug 17 with 2421 views | BlueBadger |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 17:17 - Aug 17 by lowhouseblue |
absolute shambles. there needed to be effective moderation of the school predictions, but it was done in such an utterly incompetent manner - and over a period of 5 months when they clearly failed to logic test what they were doing - that we've ended up with the worst outcome. huge grade inflation and the credibility of qualifications undermined. a farce of monumental proportions. |
It's absolutely textbook Johnson government.
F*ck up in a wholly predictable way that blatantly shows their priorities, bluster and try to front it out, before finally being shamed into behaving like decent people in the first place. | |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:15 - Aug 17 with 2323 views | Fixed_It |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 17:17 - Aug 17 by lowhouseblue |
absolute shambles. there needed to be effective moderation of the school predictions, but it was done in such an utterly incompetent manner - and over a period of 5 months when they clearly failed to logic test what they were doing - that we've ended up with the worst outcome. huge grade inflation and the credibility of qualifications undermined. a farce of monumental proportions. |
'Huge grade inflation'? According to who?
Teachers do grade predictions all the time and have systems in place to ensure their accuracy. This enables intervention etc in the normal school year. They have systems in place for moderation internally - and I know for a fact that our school was very wary of over-estimating grades in order for them to be accurate and credible. If anything, some students may have done better had they sat the exams. But that doesn't fit in with the teacher-bashing narrative does it? |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:30 - Aug 17 with 2299 views | pointofblue |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:15 - Aug 17 by Fixed_It |
'Huge grade inflation'? According to who?
Teachers do grade predictions all the time and have systems in place to ensure their accuracy. This enables intervention etc in the normal school year. They have systems in place for moderation internally - and I know for a fact that our school was very wary of over-estimating grades in order for them to be accurate and credible. If anything, some students may have done better had they sat the exams. But that doesn't fit in with the teacher-bashing narrative does it? |
To be fair it’s Ofqual who were spinning the grade inflation yarn, hence wanting to put the algorithm in place. [Post edited 17 Aug 2020 19:30]
| |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:43 - Aug 17 with 2273 views | Swansea_Blue |
Absolutely right they had to correct for the unjust outcomes, but by belatedly correcting one problem they now screw over certain Universities who thought they'd managed to get the numbers they need only to see students back out of agreements and go somewhere else instead. Lifting the cap in particular is going to be a killer for some. In what's effectively a trickle down system, they've just made the top pool much larger so fewer students are going to go to the mid- and lower-end Unis.
Ofqual and the Government have ballsed this whole thing up. They've had months to prepare for it too. A total shambles. |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:45 - Aug 17 with 2266 views | manchego |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:15 - Aug 17 by Fixed_It |
'Huge grade inflation'? According to who?
Teachers do grade predictions all the time and have systems in place to ensure their accuracy. This enables intervention etc in the normal school year. They have systems in place for moderation internally - and I know for a fact that our school was very wary of over-estimating grades in order for them to be accurate and credible. If anything, some students may have done better had they sat the exams. But that doesn't fit in with the teacher-bashing narrative does it? |
Where I work the Teachers work their nuts off making sure predictions are solid. It doesn't do them any good at all to pretend everyone is a genius. The corrupt Tories assume everyone else is corrupt and can't imagine a profession in which people are mad keen to be honest and accurate. |  | | |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:49 - Aug 17 with 2257 views | itfcjoe |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 17:21 - Aug 17 by BlueBadger |
It's absolutely textbook Johnson government.
F*ck up in a wholly predictable way that blatantly shows their priorities, bluster and try to front it out, before finally being shamed into behaving like decent people in the first place. |
Do nothing and try and stick it out until the focus groups say they are losing votes then shamefully make a total U Turn.
Resignations won’t follow, it will attempt to be brushed under the carpet as the only thing that can get you sacked is disobedience |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:53 - Aug 17 with 2257 views | Darth_Koont |
This is a government where forewarning seems to be an exercise in polling data.
Scotland went through the same thing with Highers a few weeks ago. Just like Italy, Spain and France went through the first phase of Covid-19.
All our government does is wait and see and play politics. And by then it's too late. |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 20:02 - Aug 17 with 2241 views | Clapham_Junction |
Apologies if this has been answered (someone asked on another thread, but I didn't seee a response): Why couldn't the exams have been done online or in socially distanced manner?
My partner and a few other people I know are sitting exams online (that would have been done in person) and are being invigilated by webcams.
In other cases, a friend's partner is an invigilator and overseeing exams still being done in halls. |  | | |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 20:15 - Aug 17 with 2228 views | midastouch |
My eldest daughter is due to get her GCSE results Thursday. Â She's been worried about all the uncertainty. Â Gavin Williamson is giving Matt Hancock a run for his money as the most incompetent Minister in this shambolic government. Â GW looks like Frank Spencer for a reason! [Post edited 17 Aug 2020 20:23]
|  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 20:36 - Aug 17 with 2174 views | bluelagos |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 20:02 - Aug 17 by Clapham_Junction |
Apologies if this has been answered (someone asked on another thread, but I didn't seee a response): Why couldn't the exams have been done online or in socially distanced manner?
My partner and a few other people I know are sitting exams online (that would have been done in person) and are being invigilated by webcams.
In other cases, a friend's partner is an invigilator and overseeing exams still being done in halls. |
Given that we were in lockdown, I think that rules out sitting the exams in person. You'd need twice the space, twice the invigilators and that is before the pupils / teachers reluctant to attend. This was a time when many people were scared to leave their homes.
Doing them via computers would have disadvanted those pupils without access to learning in March to June. Which would likely be poorer students who couldnt access online learning. Had they known 6 months ahead, am sure they could have organised it, but the way it played out, a 3 week lockdown that went on for 12 weeks made any forward planning difficult. |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 21:03 - Aug 17 with 2146 views | BlueByYou |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:15 - Aug 17 by Fixed_It |
'Huge grade inflation'? According to who?
Teachers do grade predictions all the time and have systems in place to ensure their accuracy. This enables intervention etc in the normal school year. They have systems in place for moderation internally - and I know for a fact that our school was very wary of over-estimating grades in order for them to be accurate and credible. If anything, some students may have done better had they sat the exams. But that doesn't fit in with the teacher-bashing narrative does it? |
39% of teacher assessments had been lowered by the examining bodies, to bring this year's results in line with previous years. After today's announcement, an inflation on grades will now come from removing the 39% reduction. This year's results will now be significantly higher than any exam results ever published. I hope that answers your question, regarding grade inflation. | | | |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 21:22 - Aug 17 with 2112 views | syntaxerror |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 20:15 - Aug 17 by midastouch |
My eldest daughter is due to get her GCSE results Thursday. Â She's been worried about all the uncertainty. Â Gavin Williamson is giving Matt Hancock a run for his money as the most incompetent Minister in this shambolic government. Â GW looks like Frank Spencer for a reason! [Post edited 17 Aug 2020 20:23]
|
Bring back Chris Grayling! :P
Its almost as if senior cabinet positions have been given to those loyal to Boris (or Dom), without thought for their abilities... |  | | |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 21:32 - Aug 17 with 2094 views | midastouch |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 21:22 - Aug 17 by syntaxerror |
Bring back Chris Grayling! :P
Its almost as if senior cabinet positions have been given to those loyal to Boris (or Dom), without thought for their abilities... |
Not a fan of the Tories but David Willetts seems to talk a fair amount of sense when it comes to education policy (for a Tory) when I've occasionally seen him on Newsnight. Â He's in the Lords now, been put out to pasture! Â Or perhaps I just caught him on a good night! Â But I hear what you're saying. Â Boris has a lot to answer for putting some of these buffoons in key Cabinet positions. | |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 22:31 - Aug 17 with 2037 views | lowhouseblue |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 19:15 - Aug 17 by Fixed_It |
'Huge grade inflation'? According to who?
Teachers do grade predictions all the time and have systems in place to ensure their accuracy. This enables intervention etc in the normal school year. They have systems in place for moderation internally - and I know for a fact that our school was very wary of over-estimating grades in order for them to be accurate and credible. If anything, some students may have done better had they sat the exams. But that doesn't fit in with the teacher-bashing narrative does it? |
have you really not been following anything that's been in the press for the last 4 days??
moderation lowered 40% of the teacher predicted grades and even then there was still a 2% rise overall compared to 2019. across schools generally, there will of course be exceptions, the teacher predictions represent a massive rise in grades relative to the previous year. if that wasn't true moderation wouldn't have even been needed. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 08:00 - Aug 18 with 1915 views | Mullet |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 21:03 - Aug 17 by BlueByYou |
39% of teacher assessments had been lowered by the examining bodies, to bring this year's results in line with previous years. After today's announcement, an inflation on grades will now come from removing the 39% reduction. This year's results will now be significantly higher than any exam results ever published. I hope that answers your question, regarding grade inflation. |
According to Ofqual presumably? Can we say with certainty that that figure is both accurate and evenly spread across the sector by teachers all cheating accordingly? If so, what does that tell us about the education system?
Can you tell me why they have been brought "in line with" results from two years ago, but last year's were lower at A level? What was the distribution of entries, grade boundaries and prior data that makes revising this year's kids down to 2 years ago but not last year's (bar the odd rise for private schools still allowed in their original figures)? If cheating was so widespread and inflated why was it that top end and passing grades were distributed twice as highly in private and elite institutions once "brought in line"?
What if I don't know for example if my managers inflated any or all of my grades after submission? The CAGs I can access are on an internal system that I filled in initially over several days with lots of worrying and revision. I can promise you I had to argue my case and be held to account for my grades and my teams'. However, how do I know that someone higher up with a pay rise dependent on results didn't bump a few afterwards hoping they could say the algorithm put them there instead?
The government and Ofqual made very aggressive noises about cheating and the consequences for it. Now those centres that have chanced their arm because they expected to either not to get caught, or that the government wouldn't have the manpower to chase them down, are getting away with it.
There are even grades being inflated by the government and held as valid if their failed algorithm ups them! I hope you can answer all my questions about grade inflation. |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 08:25 - Aug 18 with 1893 views | lowhouseblue |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 08:00 - Aug 18 by Mullet |
According to Ofqual presumably? Can we say with certainty that that figure is both accurate and evenly spread across the sector by teachers all cheating accordingly? If so, what does that tell us about the education system?
Can you tell me why they have been brought "in line with" results from two years ago, but last year's were lower at A level? What was the distribution of entries, grade boundaries and prior data that makes revising this year's kids down to 2 years ago but not last year's (bar the odd rise for private schools still allowed in their original figures)? If cheating was so widespread and inflated why was it that top end and passing grades were distributed twice as highly in private and elite institutions once "brought in line"?
What if I don't know for example if my managers inflated any or all of my grades after submission? The CAGs I can access are on an internal system that I filled in initially over several days with lots of worrying and revision. I can promise you I had to argue my case and be held to account for my grades and my teams'. However, how do I know that someone higher up with a pay rise dependent on results didn't bump a few afterwards hoping they could say the algorithm put them there instead?
The government and Ofqual made very aggressive noises about cheating and the consequences for it. Now those centres that have chanced their arm because they expected to either not to get caught, or that the government wouldn't have the manpower to chase them down, are getting away with it.
There are even grades being inflated by the government and held as valid if their failed algorithm ups them! I hope you can answer all my questions about grade inflation. |
i don't think anyone has suggested that every school has cheated, and certainly not every teacher. it may well be that a majority of schools, and most teachers, have been utterly honest and played it entirely straight. but if it is a minority of schools that have created this year's grade inflation that makes it even more unfair.
The variation between 2018 and 2019 A level performance is not that great, the 2019 results were only marginally lower:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/guide-to-as-and-a-level-results-for-england-2
looking at the percent getting A and above - it was 26.2% in 2018 and 25.2% in 2019,a variation of just 1 percentage point. the CAGs for this year - and now the final results - produce more than a 10 percentage point rise in grades A and above*. how can that possibly be justified?
edit: * ofqual now say that for 2020 it stands at 38% [Post edited 18 Aug 2020 9:09]
| |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 09:13 - Aug 18 with 1843 views | Radlett_blue |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 08:25 - Aug 18 by lowhouseblue |
i don't think anyone has suggested that every school has cheated, and certainly not every teacher. it may well be that a majority of schools, and most teachers, have been utterly honest and played it entirely straight. but if it is a minority of schools that have created this year's grade inflation that makes it even more unfair.
The variation between 2018 and 2019 A level performance is not that great, the 2019 results were only marginally lower:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/guide-to-as-and-a-level-results-for-england-2
looking at the percent getting A and above - it was 26.2% in 2018 and 25.2% in 2019,a variation of just 1 percentage point. the CAGs for this year - and now the final results - produce more than a 10 percentage point rise in grades A and above*. how can that possibly be justified?
edit: * ofqual now say that for 2020 it stands at 38% [Post edited 18 Aug 2020 9:09]
|
This was always going to be impossible to police & it was a near certainty that some would see the situation as an opportunity to try to embellish their results. The obvious answer was to upgrade everyone & downgrade no-one so that no-one is unhappy, going to kick off or take legal action. |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 09:17 - Aug 18 with 1837 views | lowhouseblue |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 09:13 - Aug 18 by Radlett_blue |
This was always going to be impossible to police & it was a near certainty that some would see the situation as an opportunity to try to embellish their results. The obvious answer was to upgrade everyone & downgrade no-one so that no-one is unhappy, going to kick off or take legal action. |
that's where we've ended up. but anyone who relies on the results - eg universities - are stuffed, and kids in schools who have played it completely straight and honestly have then missed out relative to those who've exploited the situation. if it turns out that it is predominantly the public schools that have inflated grades then that unfairness is huge. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 09:19 - Aug 18 with 1834 views | hype313 |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 20:15 - Aug 17 by midastouch |
My eldest daughter is due to get her GCSE results Thursday. Â She's been worried about all the uncertainty. Â Gavin Williamson is giving Matt Hancock a run for his money as the most incompetent Minister in this shambolic government. Â GW looks like Frank Spencer for a reason! [Post edited 17 Aug 2020 20:23]
|
Dominic Cummings is the man behind all this mess across the board.
He needs to be sacked for sheer incompetence and then others can follow suit.
Boris and his band of merry men/woman are not fit for purpose. |  |
| |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 11:46 - Aug 18 with 1785 views | Mullet |
| A U-turn on GCSE and A-Level results then on 08:25 - Aug 18 by lowhouseblue |
i don't think anyone has suggested that every school has cheated, and certainly not every teacher. it may well be that a majority of schools, and most teachers, have been utterly honest and played it entirely straight. but if it is a minority of schools that have created this year's grade inflation that makes it even more unfair.
The variation between 2018 and 2019 A level performance is not that great, the 2019 results were only marginally lower:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/guide-to-as-and-a-level-results-for-england-2
looking at the percent getting A and above - it was 26.2% in 2018 and 25.2% in 2019,a variation of just 1 percentage point. the CAGs for this year - and now the final results - produce more than a 10 percentage point rise in grades A and above*. how can that possibly be justified?
edit: * ofqual now say that for 2020 it stands at 38% [Post edited 18 Aug 2020 9:09]
|
I never said they did, hence the question. But the more concentrated such cheating is, the more it questions why the government failed to act upon it doesn't it? What could possibly be the motivation there when you look at where "adjustments" came and where they didn't?
We've done the lack of clarity about the algorithm and data several times now, but I have to ask why grades need to be "in line" with previous and not with the data that we have on the cohort?
Why if there is a trend (based on two years laughably) of a decrease why not repeat that again?
The answer to your last question is essentially government ineptitude and cronyism compounded by their arrogance no? | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
