| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here 20:38 - Nov 15 with 12388 views | monytowbray |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:44 - Nov 15 with 2222 views | SitfcB |
Choices aren’t cruel, it’s just the food chain innit.
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 20:45 - Nov 15 with 2214 views | Chutney |
You go Liz Lemon with your 500 followers. |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 21:02 - Nov 15 with 2165 views | WD19 |
Her poor dietary choices appear to be impacting brain function. |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 21:14 - Nov 15 with 2153 views | eastangliaisblue |
That Pig looks tasty. |  | | |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:37 - Nov 15 with 2081 views | judespiveyg |
What made you decide to be a vegan, may I ask? As in was there a single moment or a piece of information that changed your previous view (assuming you haven't always been vegan). |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:39 - Nov 15 with 2078 views | J2BLUE |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:48 - Nov 15 with 2063 views | SitfcB |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:37 - Nov 15 by judespiveyg |
What made you decide to be a vegan, may I ask? As in was there a single moment or a piece of information that changed your previous view (assuming you haven't always been vegan). |
He loved a (or 5) bacon polse in Norway a few years back! | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 23:17 - Nov 15 with 2030 views | BLUEBEAT |
I’ve been vegetarian since the 90s (for ethical reasons) but have never been tempted with veganism - don’t see an issue with obtaining milk from a free range cow etc.
That is, however, until I started seeing a vegan and she is well fit innit, so I’m gonna give it a go. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 23:53 - Nov 15 with 1984 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:48 - Nov 15 by SitfcB |
He loved a (or 5) bacon polse in Norway a few years back! |
They may have been what turned me vegan 🤢 | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 23:58 - Nov 15 with 1985 views | monytowbray |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 22:37 - Nov 15 by judespiveyg |
What made you decide to be a vegan, may I ask? As in was there a single moment or a piece of information that changed your previous view (assuming you haven't always been vegan). |
According to J2 to get laid!
Well, it worked...
Nah I was veggie at uni so always valued animal rights but went back to meat for a few years. Had a few false starts with it over the years but my partner at the time had no interest which made it harder. Then I started dating a vegan which made it easier.
But animal rights and environment were always motivation, even as a meat eater I accepted eating meat made me a hypocrite. Eventually guilt always wins if you trust your gut!
There was no real major evidence for me that switched me, to me it’s always been obvious to eat animals animals have to suffer in the process. It’s just choosing to act on that reality. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 08:15 - Nov 16 with 1823 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 23:17 - Nov 15 by BLUEBEAT |
I’ve been vegetarian since the 90s (for ethical reasons) but have never been tempted with veganism - don’t see an issue with obtaining milk from a free range cow etc.
That is, however, until I started seeing a vegan and she is well fit innit, so I’m gonna give it a go. |
You only get your milk, yogurt, cheese etc. from free range cows? How do you do that? I've never noticed free range versions of these items at the supermarket.
If anyone thinks Dairy isn't cruel, generally, they should watch Carnage by Simon Amstell. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 08:37 - Nov 16 with 1814 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 23:17 - Nov 15 by BLUEBEAT |
I’ve been vegetarian since the 90s (for ethical reasons) but have never been tempted with veganism - don’t see an issue with obtaining milk from a free range cow etc.
That is, however, until I started seeing a vegan and she is well fit innit, so I’m gonna give it a go. |
I was vegetarian for about 25 years and then went vegan about 3 years ago. I'd always thought I'd end up vegan, it just took a while. If you're vegetarian for ethical reasons, as I was, it becomes increasingly hard to justify not being vegan. The dairy and egg industries both involve killing and mistreating animals on a mass scale in much the same way the meat industry does. You're not eating the flesh, but animals have died so you can have your three cheese omelette. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:00 - Nov 16 with 1778 views | NewcyBlue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 08:15 - Nov 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You only get your milk, yogurt, cheese etc. from free range cows? How do you do that? I've never noticed free range versions of these items at the supermarket.
If anyone thinks Dairy isn't cruel, generally, they should watch Carnage by Simon Amstell. |
You’ve never noticed?!
We get Free Range Organic Milk.
The products are there! |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:32 - Nov 16 with 1743 views | factual_blue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:00 - Nov 16 by NewcyBlue |
You’ve never noticed?!
We get Free Range Organic Milk.
The products are there! |
Dollers lives in Penge though. It's a Poundland version of Tooting. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:35 - Nov 16 with 1741 views | clive_baker |
I think there's certainly some truth in that. I've never really understood the resistance to the emergence of innovative plant based food, as if giving people more choice to eat tasty food that's both better for them, for the welfare of animals, and the planet is a bad thing?
The way I see it is a pushy anything doesn't tend to resonate well with me. There's a fine line between educating in a way that's non confrontational and non accusatory, and preaching. I don't like having religion preached at me as I walk down the street, I don't like having dietary choices preached at me either. I've dabbled with loads over the years, been veggie for long periods and did 12 months vegan way back when I was at Uni, just over 10 years ago. I'm not exaggerating when I say I became a little obsessed with some studies into the benefits of a vegan diet back then, and that was a key motivator, as well as animal welfare. My dreams of career in football were heading south and fitness / injury had always been an issue, so I tried everything I could. Now I'm neither vegan nor veggie, but I view my diet on a debit / credit basis, which is imperfect but I won't let perfection be the enemy of progress. I enjoy eating meat occasionally, so allow myself to do so, albeit rarely. I won't eat meat on an idle Monday, and very infrequently have dairy. I'm conscious about what I eat and seek more sustainable alternatives on the regs. I strictly stick to plant based milk alternatives and a huge gripe of mine is that I've never tried a vegan cheese I really love, and I've tried a lot! A very good friend founded a businesses in the space that I've been very involved with. I allow myself 3 meals per week where I eat meat, whether that be lunch or dinner. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:43 - Nov 16 with 1730 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:35 - Nov 16 by clive_baker |
I think there's certainly some truth in that. I've never really understood the resistance to the emergence of innovative plant based food, as if giving people more choice to eat tasty food that's both better for them, for the welfare of animals, and the planet is a bad thing?
The way I see it is a pushy anything doesn't tend to resonate well with me. There's a fine line between educating in a way that's non confrontational and non accusatory, and preaching. I don't like having religion preached at me as I walk down the street, I don't like having dietary choices preached at me either. I've dabbled with loads over the years, been veggie for long periods and did 12 months vegan way back when I was at Uni, just over 10 years ago. I'm not exaggerating when I say I became a little obsessed with some studies into the benefits of a vegan diet back then, and that was a key motivator, as well as animal welfare. My dreams of career in football were heading south and fitness / injury had always been an issue, so I tried everything I could. Now I'm neither vegan nor veggie, but I view my diet on a debit / credit basis, which is imperfect but I won't let perfection be the enemy of progress. I enjoy eating meat occasionally, so allow myself to do so, albeit rarely. I won't eat meat on an idle Monday, and very infrequently have dairy. I'm conscious about what I eat and seek more sustainable alternatives on the regs. I strictly stick to plant based milk alternatives and a huge gripe of mine is that I've never tried a vegan cheese I really love, and I've tried a lot! A very good friend founded a businesses in the space that I've been very involved with. I allow myself 3 meals per week where I eat meat, whether that be lunch or dinner. |
Most of the commercial vegan cheeses are rank imo, they are coconut oil based and have a really horrible synthetic flavour as well as a bit of a weird texture. Some vegans seem to love them but I am not keen at all. Cashew cheese, however, is absolutely marvellous stuff. It's not cheap as it's not mass produced but it is genuinely delicious. It's not like for like as they aren't quite as firm as something like a cheddar, but they taste great. The variety of styles of cheese is also expanding constantly to replicate stuff like feta, parmesan, and mozzarella.
I'd recommend checking these guys out in particular, they have an online shop too: https://www.iamnutok.com/shop [Post edited 16 Nov 2020 9:44]
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:53 - Nov 16 with 1705 views | clive_baker |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:43 - Nov 16 by Herbivore |
Most of the commercial vegan cheeses are rank imo, they are coconut oil based and have a really horrible synthetic flavour as well as a bit of a weird texture. Some vegans seem to love them but I am not keen at all. Cashew cheese, however, is absolutely marvellous stuff. It's not cheap as it's not mass produced but it is genuinely delicious. It's not like for like as they aren't quite as firm as something like a cheddar, but they taste great. The variety of styles of cheese is also expanding constantly to replicate stuff like feta, parmesan, and mozzarella.
I'd recommend checking these guys out in particular, they have an online shop too: https://www.iamnutok.com/shop [Post edited 16 Nov 2020 9:44]
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Thanks for the link, coincidentally I'm very familiar with the brand, they do some good stuff. I agree with you on vegan cheeses. For me palatable as a substitute in a vegan burger, pizza or toastie etc when melted, but I really struggle with something cheese board worthy, eaten cold with a cracker type vibe.
For anyone wanting some unapologetically dirty junk food I would urge you to try Biff's Jack Shack. I know the founder and I really think they're a horse to back in this space:
https://biffsjackshack.com/home | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:56 - Nov 16 with 1698 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:53 - Nov 16 by clive_baker |
Thanks for the link, coincidentally I'm very familiar with the brand, they do some good stuff. I agree with you on vegan cheeses. For me palatable as a substitute in a vegan burger, pizza or toastie etc when melted, but I really struggle with something cheese board worthy, eaten cold with a cracker type vibe.
For anyone wanting some unapologetically dirty junk food I would urge you to try Biff's Jack Shack. I know the founder and I really think they're a horse to back in this space:
https://biffsjackshack.com/home |
I tried Biff's wings a couple of months ago and was really not impressed unfortunately. They were stone cold in the middle and the texture wasn't great. A real shame as I'd been looking forward to trying them. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:57 - Nov 16 with 1697 views | StokieBlue |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:53 - Nov 16 by clive_baker |
Thanks for the link, coincidentally I'm very familiar with the brand, they do some good stuff. I agree with you on vegan cheeses. For me palatable as a substitute in a vegan burger, pizza or toastie etc when melted, but I really struggle with something cheese board worthy, eaten cold with a cracker type vibe.
For anyone wanting some unapologetically dirty junk food I would urge you to try Biff's Jack Shack. I know the founder and I really think they're a horse to back in this space:
https://biffsjackshack.com/home |
They are served at the vegan Brewdog down the road.
I've not tried it so can't opine (although I will at some point) but given he's now in Brewdog that's a great place to be selling his products. Other Brewdogs also sell the beyond meat burgers which wasn't bad when I tried it.
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:58 - Nov 16 with 1694 views | DanTheMan |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:43 - Nov 16 by Herbivore |
Most of the commercial vegan cheeses are rank imo, they are coconut oil based and have a really horrible synthetic flavour as well as a bit of a weird texture. Some vegans seem to love them but I am not keen at all. Cashew cheese, however, is absolutely marvellous stuff. It's not cheap as it's not mass produced but it is genuinely delicious. It's not like for like as they aren't quite as firm as something like a cheddar, but they taste great. The variety of styles of cheese is also expanding constantly to replicate stuff like feta, parmesan, and mozzarella.
I'd recommend checking these guys out in particular, they have an online shop too: https://www.iamnutok.com/shop [Post edited 16 Nov 2020 9:44]
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Cheers for that link, whilst I'm probably quite far away from giving up on cheese, alternatives are always handy. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:22 - Nov 16 with 1656 views | judespiveyg |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 23:58 - Nov 15 by monytowbray |
According to J2 to get laid!
Well, it worked...
Nah I was veggie at uni so always valued animal rights but went back to meat for a few years. Had a few false starts with it over the years but my partner at the time had no interest which made it harder. Then I started dating a vegan which made it easier.
But animal rights and environment were always motivation, even as a meat eater I accepted eating meat made me a hypocrite. Eventually guilt always wins if you trust your gut!
There was no real major evidence for me that switched me, to me it’s always been obvious to eat animals animals have to suffer in the process. It’s just choosing to act on that reality. |
Oh okay cool, thanks for the response.
I've always understood why people are vegetarian, it's not exactly hard to understand why killing an animal to eat it might make some a little uncomfortable.
Veganism I struggle a little bit with though, if someone is a vegan for environmental reasons then I get it, if I were to say cows aren't huge producers of methane and that loads of rainforest isn't being flattened for grazing I'd be lying.
My family are dairy farmers though, and a lot of what I see on the internet about the cruelty of it all isn't very consistent to what I was brought up around. Obviously I can't speak for every farm in the UK but the idea that every male calf is immediately killed isn't true, at least not anywhere I've been. Groups like PETA seem to suggest that herds are put in dirty cages all year, which in my experience is also untrue, given they're out on fields all year long, only coming in for milking.
I don't resent people at all for being vegan, most have no reason to disbelieve what they read on the internet but I'd wager the majority have never visited a farm themselves. I think its why veganism is more prominent in cities because they're basing their beliefs off of what they've read on the internet, having had no access to farm animals. I don't see why, like people do with eggs, people don't just choose products they feel are ethically produced rather than tar a whole industry under the same brush. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:34 - Nov 16 with 1627 views | DanTheMan |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:22 - Nov 16 by judespiveyg |
Oh okay cool, thanks for the response.
I've always understood why people are vegetarian, it's not exactly hard to understand why killing an animal to eat it might make some a little uncomfortable.
Veganism I struggle a little bit with though, if someone is a vegan for environmental reasons then I get it, if I were to say cows aren't huge producers of methane and that loads of rainforest isn't being flattened for grazing I'd be lying.
My family are dairy farmers though, and a lot of what I see on the internet about the cruelty of it all isn't very consistent to what I was brought up around. Obviously I can't speak for every farm in the UK but the idea that every male calf is immediately killed isn't true, at least not anywhere I've been. Groups like PETA seem to suggest that herds are put in dirty cages all year, which in my experience is also untrue, given they're out on fields all year long, only coming in for milking.
I don't resent people at all for being vegan, most have no reason to disbelieve what they read on the internet but I'd wager the majority have never visited a farm themselves. I think its why veganism is more prominent in cities because they're basing their beliefs off of what they've read on the internet, having had no access to farm animals. I don't see why, like people do with eggs, people don't just choose products they feel are ethically produced rather than tar a whole industry under the same brush. |
This is a slight tangent, but your example with eggs is very interesting.
I go into the shops and I can quite easily pick up eggs that are definitely free range, and can do similar if I wanted a chicken etc.
However it becomes much more difficult when egg is in something else. I have no way of telling where the egg in the product has come from, and whether the chicken that laid it was treated correctly.
This could of course be solved with better labelling but I imagine there would be push back on that. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:47 - Nov 16 with 1610 views | Guthrum |
My major concern if the entire world population were converted to a vegan diet is where we would grow all that plant matter. Also, where we would find the water to irrigate it.
A surprisingly small proportion of the planet's surface is good quality arable land. Often, that has to be pumped with fertilisers to get maximum production. Much of what is not already fully exploited is under the world's remaining great forests. The famine disaster in Ethiopia was, in part, caused by deforestation to grow cash crops, which resulted in the soil being washed away. Animals, on the other hand, can be grazed on considerably more marginal land, too steep or rocky to plough, or only capable of growing grass and scrub.
I mentioned the issue of water. With agriculture already having been pushed into less fertile areas, there arises the issue of irrigation to make that viable. Take the issue of the Aral Sea. It has gone from 26,000 square miles to a tenth of that, due entirely to the rivers which flow into it having been entirely diverted to agricultural use. One of the biggest issues fuelling the struggle in the West Bank is over the control of water sources. Even in a country as wet as the UK, prime agricultural areas such as East Anglia struggle to supply sufficient water while still giving the big cities what they need. Climate change is only likely to mess that up further.
To stand a hope of increasing production significantly, we would need new crops. Almost certainly making use of GM technology. Great care would have to be taken. Palm oil production is devastating ecologically sensitive areas of South East Asia. The Groundnut Scheme destroyed the rural economies of West Africa. As some pesticides are banned, crops like oilseed rape become less viable (production in East Anglia has dropped by over 70% in parts of eastern England, according to industry numbers.
None of what I have written negates points you have made about cruelty to animals or the overconsumption of food - particularly meat - in wealthier regions of the planet. But they are significant issues which do need to be addressed when pushing for a plant-based diet for the world's population. |  |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:51 - Nov 16 with 1593 views | Herbivore |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:22 - Nov 16 by judespiveyg |
Oh okay cool, thanks for the response.
I've always understood why people are vegetarian, it's not exactly hard to understand why killing an animal to eat it might make some a little uncomfortable.
Veganism I struggle a little bit with though, if someone is a vegan for environmental reasons then I get it, if I were to say cows aren't huge producers of methane and that loads of rainforest isn't being flattened for grazing I'd be lying.
My family are dairy farmers though, and a lot of what I see on the internet about the cruelty of it all isn't very consistent to what I was brought up around. Obviously I can't speak for every farm in the UK but the idea that every male calf is immediately killed isn't true, at least not anywhere I've been. Groups like PETA seem to suggest that herds are put in dirty cages all year, which in my experience is also untrue, given they're out on fields all year long, only coming in for milking.
I don't resent people at all for being vegan, most have no reason to disbelieve what they read on the internet but I'd wager the majority have never visited a farm themselves. I think its why veganism is more prominent in cities because they're basing their beliefs off of what they've read on the internet, having had no access to farm animals. I don't see why, like people do with eggs, people don't just choose products they feel are ethically produced rather than tar a whole industry under the same brush. |
I've been to a farm, it wasn't very nice. I think your point about city versus countryside is interesting but I'd argue it's more to do with the countryside being reliant on agriculture economically that tends to explain why you see far fewer vegans in rural areas.
Mass production of dairy and eggs means the killing of animals, there's no two ways about it. Whilst some farms might have good standards when it comes to animal welfare, many also don't. And you can't escape the fact that male calves and chicks have to be disposed of because of their inability to produce milk and eggs.
A few years back one of the chefs on Great British Menu cooked a baby male goat for his main course to highlight that so many male kids just go to waste as they are slaughtered in the production of goat milk but nobody really eats them. The goat milk and cheese industry is significantly smaller than cow dairy and egg production. Dead male animal babies are basically a by product of mass produced dairy and eggs. If you're vegetarian because you don't like the idea of killing animals for food then it's very hard to justify eating dairy or eggs.
I appreciate why that's a view you may not like given your personal connection to the dairy industry. | |
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| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 10:54 - Nov 16 with 1572 views | Guthrum |
| Been a while since I’ve lobbed a vegan hot take in here on 09:43 - Nov 16 by Herbivore |
Most of the commercial vegan cheeses are rank imo, they are coconut oil based and have a really horrible synthetic flavour as well as a bit of a weird texture. Some vegans seem to love them but I am not keen at all. Cashew cheese, however, is absolutely marvellous stuff. It's not cheap as it's not mass produced but it is genuinely delicious. It's not like for like as they aren't quite as firm as something like a cheddar, but they taste great. The variety of styles of cheese is also expanding constantly to replicate stuff like feta, parmesan, and mozzarella.
I'd recommend checking these guys out in particular, they have an online shop too: https://www.iamnutok.com/shop [Post edited 16 Nov 2020 9:44]
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Do they behave like cheese, e.g. will they melt on toast or into sauce? Interested in how far the technology has been able to go in filling its traditional food roles. | |
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