| Paul Cook 07:24 - Aug 21 with 4261 views | textbackup |
I know it’s not a particularly fashionable thing to do, but I really am grateful to Paul Cook, for assembling the majority of this squad.
I know MA had his input too, but I don’t think we have half this squad if it wasn’t for PC being the draw he was to play for.
Terrible managing them in the games, granted, but fair play. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 08:13 - Aug 21 with 3765 views | BondiBlue |
It's a good point. I was making a mental note of mckenna signings the other day and i realised there really aren't many in the starting 11. Still mostly cook. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 08:20 - Aug 21 with 3708 views | Colin_Viljoen |
The difference is Cook never knew how to get them to play! |  | | |
| Paul Cook on 08:21 - Aug 21 with 3697 views | textbackup |
| Paul Cook on 08:20 - Aug 21 by Colin_Viljoen |
The difference is Cook never knew how to get them to play! |
Yeah I mentioned that | |
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| Paul Cook on 08:31 - Aug 21 with 3653 views | tractorboy1978 |
Yep - wouldn't have Walton, Morsy, Evans, Chaplin for a start. | | | |
| Paul Cook on 10:13 - Aug 21 with 3378 views | itfcjoe |
Was also good that he was so terrible at managing them as you noted that he was able to be sacked at the time McKenna was available! If he’d have been just average and had us just bobbing around in the play offs or thereabouts he’d have been ok! |  |
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| Paul Cook on 10:29 - Aug 21 with 3289 views | jayessess |
How much credit do you give someone for recruiting well on the biggest budget in the division? |  |
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| Paul Cook on 10:33 - Aug 21 with 3268 views | Superblue95 |
| Paul Cook on 10:29 - Aug 21 by jayessess |
How much credit do you give someone for recruiting well on the biggest budget in the division? |
Given the money Keane and Jewell squandered when we were a big spending championship club I’d say he deserves some credit for the players he bought.
Not many could be considered a flop and of the ones who have many could still come good. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 10:44 - Aug 21 with 3212 views | jayessess |
| Paul Cook on 10:33 - Aug 21 by Superblue95 |
Given the money Keane and Jewell squandered when we were a big spending championship club I’d say he deserves some credit for the players he bought.
Not many could be considered a flop and of the ones who have many could still come good. |
I think that puts Keane and Jewell in the deficit column rather than Cook in the debit column.
On a transfer scale of 0-10, where 0 is a total waste of money, 5 is getting what you paid for and 10 is an absolute bargain, I'd say most of our Cook era business is around the middle of the scale. | |
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| Paul Cook on 10:48 - Aug 21 with 3186 views | Superblue95 |
| Paul Cook on 10:44 - Aug 21 by jayessess |
I think that puts Keane and Jewell in the deficit column rather than Cook in the debit column.
On a transfer scale of 0-10, where 0 is a total waste of money, 5 is getting what you paid for and 10 is an absolute bargain, I'd say most of our Cook era business is around the middle of the scale. |
In terms of money spent, sure.
But as has been mentioned most of our best players are ones Cook signed last season and who most likely came due to working with him before, such as Morsy, Chaplin, Walton and Evans.
I don’t think we sign a lot of who we signed last summer with somebody else in charge. | |
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| Paul Cook on 10:54 - Aug 21 with 3169 views | itfcserbia |
| Paul Cook on 10:44 - Aug 21 by jayessess |
I think that puts Keane and Jewell in the deficit column rather than Cook in the debit column.
On a transfer scale of 0-10, where 0 is a total waste of money, 5 is getting what you paid for and 10 is an absolute bargain, I'd say most of our Cook era business is around the middle of the scale. |
That being said, would be interesting to see for example MM's transfer dealings. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 10:57 - Aug 21 with 3145 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Wish he had signed Ball too. A headline writer's dream. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 11:02 - Aug 21 with 3130 views | tractordownsouth |
| Paul Cook on 10:29 - Aug 21 by jayessess |
How much credit do you give someone for recruiting well on the biggest budget in the division? |
It's more the players he got in, rather than the value for money. As others have said, Walton, Morsy and Chaplin wouldn't have dropped down if they hadn't been able to work with Cook again, so he helped to boost the standard of recruitment.
Of course that makes his failure to assemble a winning team even worse, but long-term it's been of benefit to the club. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 11:17 - Aug 21 with 3041 views | J2BLUE |
Jacobs looks decent for Portsmouth as well. Kind of wish we had got that one done although Edwards looks like a ton of potential waiting to be unleashed.
I hope he takes Chesterfield up. No ill will towards him. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 12:09 - Aug 21 with 2922 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Paul Cook on 11:17 - Aug 21 by J2BLUE |
Jacobs looks decent for Portsmouth as well. Kind of wish we had got that one done although Edwards looks like a ton of potential waiting to be unleashed.
I hope he takes Chesterfield up. No ill will towards him. |
Same, I think PC has always done it 2nd season so far so hopefully they go up this year. We wouldn't have got those aforementioned in if Cook hadn't been here.
Seems like a genuine bloke to me.
That said Kenny seems a v clever manager, really has something about him, as per other threads it's early days and Posh and Weds look really good this year, nothing is eon yet.
Shame no-one higher up came in for Clark Harris as he is a menace this year and Jack Marriot looks like he's found some form too |  |
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| Paul Cook on 12:43 - Aug 21 with 2773 views | clive_baker |
I agree, recruited very well and it’s not only about money. Walton, Morsy & Evans played for him at Wigan and that would’ve been a massive factor in a) us identifying them as targets and b) them agreeing to come.
The fact some talk about Cook in the same breath as the likes of PH and RK is really unfair IMO. Right for him to move on when he did but you can make a decent case for a lot of good that he did us. Was a difficult time coming in under Evans and promptly having a different remit. He sacked off a lot of underperforming players and recruited a largely very good new squad. Even after a slow start we showed promising signs of improvement. Right for him to go ultimately, but he certainly left the squad in a better state than he found it. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 13:19 - Aug 21 with 2679 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
Not only good signings from him as Demolition Job was the best thing he did for the club.
He failed last season, was stubborn but no hard feelings towards him. |  | | |
| Paul Cook on 13:30 - Aug 21 with 2626 views | BondiBlue |
| Paul Cook on 12:43 - Aug 21 by clive_baker |
I agree, recruited very well and it’s not only about money. Walton, Morsy & Evans played for him at Wigan and that would’ve been a massive factor in a) us identifying them as targets and b) them agreeing to come.
The fact some talk about Cook in the same breath as the likes of PH and RK is really unfair IMO. Right for him to move on when he did but you can make a decent case for a lot of good that he did us. Was a difficult time coming in under Evans and promptly having a different remit. He sacked off a lot of underperforming players and recruited a largely very good new squad. Even after a slow start we showed promising signs of improvement. Right for him to go ultimately, but he certainly left the squad in a better state than he found it. |
Credit to him as well for NOT sacking off donacien. Would have been easy to let him go with the other 20-odd. | |
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| Paul Cook on 14:53 - Aug 21 with 2421 views | Wickets |
Cook's biggest mistake for me was being too pig headed to get himself expirenced staff including an assistant manager . |  | | |
| Paul Cook on 15:00 - Aug 21 with 2353 views | braveblue |
| Paul Cook on 10:29 - Aug 21 by jayessess |
How much credit do you give someone for recruiting well on the biggest budget in the division? |
A lot. How many teams have spent and bought duds. RK springs to kind. | | | |
| Paul Cook on 15:26 - Aug 21 with 2231 views | pennblue |
I would also say Lambert has played a very significant part in our turn around too. He was the one that really called out Evans and the state of the club which was the catalyst for change of ownership.
You can always say he was only doing that as he was under pressure but he was right wasn’t he.
You look at our hierarchy now vs to what it was under
Evans and it is light years apart.
No doubt McKenna has walked into the football club at the right time.
I am not taking anything away from McKenna as he is clearly tactically more astute than Cook. | |
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| Paul Cook on 18:27 - Aug 21 with 1974 views | chicoazul |
| Paul Cook on 10:33 - Aug 21 by Superblue95 |
Given the money Keane and Jewell squandered when we were a big spending championship club I’d say he deserves some credit for the players he bought.
Not many could be considered a flop and of the ones who have many could still come good. |
I hate to break it to you but they are all flops. We finished 11th last season! In division 3!
Looks like they have begun to turn it around which is good but they are still flops as of now, that’s a cold fact. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 03:52 - Aug 22 with 1650 views | BigCommon |
Yeah , he definitely bought some good players into the club. But Mckenna gets more out of them, imo. Morsy, in particular came here on the strength of PC.
I think KM benefits from the majority of last years squad, having been here a while now. And them having built some good relationships on and off the pitch.
Take nothing away from KM, though. He is certainly the better all round manager of the two.
Cook's biggest problem, was the in game management, for me. Hence us throwing points away after being in front, quite often.
Going by Chesterfields results. It looks like he's yet to remedy that one.
Something I heard on one of the podcasts was that KM can hide a players weaknesses and play more to their strengths. Which just about nails it for me. |  | | |
| Paul Cook on 06:33 - Aug 22 with 1557 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Paul Cook on 15:26 - Aug 21 by pennblue |
I would also say Lambert has played a very significant part in our turn around too. He was the one that really called out Evans and the state of the club which was the catalyst for change of ownership.
You can always say he was only doing that as he was under pressure but he was right wasn’t he.
You look at our hierarchy now vs to what it was under
Evans and it is light years apart.
No doubt McKenna has walked into the football club at the right time.
I am not taking anything away from McKenna as he is clearly tactically more astute than Cook. |
A significant portion of the support base were saying there was a lack of infrastructure and care from Evans. Death by a thousand cuts. Don't think Lambert deserves credit for that. Hurst was saying similar stuff before him, should we thank him too? Lambert was happy to stay silent when he was conning his way to a five-year contract, leaching money from the club as the highest paid manger in the league. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 07:02 - Aug 22 with 1518 views | Churchman |
| Paul Cook on 06:33 - Aug 22 by Kropotkin123 |
A significant portion of the support base were saying there was a lack of infrastructure and care from Evans. Death by a thousand cuts. Don't think Lambert deserves credit for that. Hurst was saying similar stuff before him, should we thank him too? Lambert was happy to stay silent when he was conning his way to a five-year contract, leaching money from the club as the highest paid manger in the league. |
Lambert was a clueless bag of wind. There’s nothing I’ve heard about from anyone him that suggests anything else. Knew how to leech a good contract out of Evans - that was about the limit of his ability. That, working the video recorder and boring me to tears. As you say, the waster hardly deserves credit for pointing out what was blindingly obvious to all.
Hurst? Not the faintest idea. staggeringly Incompetent by anyone’s definition and did well to last four months. Keane was as pitiful as both the above and Jewell not much better. MM was the exception. Cook certainly has an eye for a player and his record says he knows how to win in the lower leagues. I thought he’d be a big success here. However, he was a poor fit for this club and had to go. It happens.
The common denominator was Evans who let the club rot in every way. [Post edited 22 Aug 2022 7:06]
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| Paul Cook on 10:36 - Aug 22 with 1109 views | yesjohn99 |
Yep, cleared out the serial failures like Chambers etc. just couldn’t formulate a plan with the quality he brought in.
At the time I thought it was too soon for him to go, he would turn it around, but with hindsight, and the way KMc and come in and turned it around double quick, I was well wrong. | | | |
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