| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too 12:54 - Oct 20 with 7182 views | John_Warks_Willy |
quickly, and a more phased approach maybe would have been better?
Some enforced, such as GK admittedly.
I ain’t seen much live this season, so open question as interested in what those who are watching us week in week out think. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 12:55]
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 12:58 - Oct 20 with 5160 views | Ryorry |
Yes - but surely we'd have needed to stay in the Champ to have done that? which I doubt anyone on here would have preferred! |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:01 - Oct 20 with 5128 views | John_Warks_Willy |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 12:58 - Oct 20 by Ryorry |
Yes - but surely we'd have needed to stay in the Champ to have done that? which I doubt anyone on here would have preferred! |
Maybe. But for this season purely we came into itwith a great well established formula and a unit which had cracked it. It’s a trade off between players who know the system to keep that fluency and a judgement call on who is not good enough regardless. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 13:02]
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:04 - Oct 20 with 5077 views | MK1 |
Yes, but give them a bit more of a chance. McKenna is known for his youth work, so hopefully an improvement is forthcoming. Would like to see some of those who got us here more game time, but I still trust Kieran to get it sorted. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:24 - Oct 20 with 5000 views | norfsufblue |
In our situation the transfer window is no help at all really, would be so much better if we could add throughout the season like the old days before t/w..... it forces you to make your decisions within 3 or 4 months .... . But that's the modern game now and we have now have to write off some of the season for "gelling" ...... unfortunately that can further affect confidence! |  | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:31 - Oct 20 with 4973 views | Basuco |
Yes and no, Yes the team that knew the system and each other so well last season are no longer first choice, but I have been shocked at the difference in quality of the PL and Championship, the gap is now huge and getting continually bigger. Live you can see the speed of thought as well as movement much more, all players are athletes, quick and strong, and very good technical footballers, great vision and high passing pace and accuracy. We needed to upgrade players as player quality in every team is so much higher than the Championship, even teams struggling in the bottom half of the table. |  | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:36 - Oct 20 with 4926 views | FrimleyBlue |
Difficult to know factually right now. But questions were asked of our recruitment in the summer and at present it still doesn't look great and depending on where we end up then that may or may not have a different view too.
I don't think the too many changes is an issue itself IF we replaced them with ready made replacements but we haven't. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:38 - Oct 20 with 4923 views | Ftnfwest |
Not really, I think this season has always been a case of at least just staying in touch until what is basically the new team hopefully comes together in the same way it took time when Kieran first arrived for that to happen. Going with what was essentially an over achieving L1/championship team would never have succeeded and you’d be integrating new players in January instead. |  | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:39 - Oct 20 with 4913 views | jasondozzell |
I would tend to agree. I think the relationships players have built are often worth more than the individual player. Delap has been brilliant and can't argue with him starting really but Hirst, Luongo, Chappers, Broady when fit, etc. Have years of understanding of the patterns and movements. |  | | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 14:09 - Oct 20 with 4790 views | EdwardStone |
I did wonder about that when we were going a bit cazy with the signings
Bearing in mind how cohesive the squad was at the end of last season, almost telepathic communication between them.
It is kinda painful watching this new squad struggling to reach the required level
Obviously not helped by the sheer brutishness of the prem.....thugs, the lot of them. |  | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 14:09 - Oct 20 with 4788 views | davblue |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:36 - Oct 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Difficult to know factually right now. But questions were asked of our recruitment in the summer and at present it still doesn't look great and depending on where we end up then that may or may not have a different view too.
I don't think the too many changes is an issue itself IF we replaced them with ready made replacements but we haven't. |
If the team and club are in a better place come the end of the season then the recruitment will have been good. I think on paper our individual players are better, is the team? Not sure we will know until 12 months down the line. |  | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 14:11 - Oct 20 with 4761 views | Ryorry |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:39 - Oct 20 by jasondozzell |
I would tend to agree. I think the relationships players have built are often worth more than the individual player. Delap has been brilliant and can't argue with him starting really but Hirst, Luongo, Chappers, Broady when fit, etc. Have years of understanding of the patterns and movements. |
We're really missing those old partnerships all over the pitch. | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 14:33 - Oct 20 with 4679 views | jasondozzell |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 14:11 - Oct 20 by Ryorry |
We're really missing those old partnerships all over the pitch. |
Yep. We've effectively gone from a team that had played 2-3 years together to one where many of the relationships are a handful of games. | | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:03 - Oct 20 with 4575 views | victorysquad |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 13:39 - Oct 20 by jasondozzell |
I would tend to agree. I think the relationships players have built are often worth more than the individual player. Delap has been brilliant and can't argue with him starting really but Hirst, Luongo, Chappers, Broady when fit, etc. Have years of understanding of the patterns and movements. |
We certainly looked best when the old guard came on yesterday. But we would need to see the championship team starting to see how well they could fare.
They could get battered but they might not. Right now we do not look like scoring so it has to be worth a go. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:09 - Oct 20 with 4495 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Élément of reckless panic as the cowboys were forced to ‘support’ the wantaway manager they’d bribed to stay. The question is more would a couple of key additions would have been better than 12 so-so ones rather shed too late through the revolving door. We’ll never know
Of course the team spirit and confidence has been tossed out of the window - so you’re being asked to believe they’ll gel eventually. Not sure a treadmill of defeats is going to crack that particular nut - especially as it’s not immediately obvious why some of them have been signed v | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:21 - Oct 20 with 4482 views | gainsboroughblue |
We seem to have gone quantity over quality right now. Transfer windows are chaotic at the best of times but when you are trying to bridge the gap of two successive promotions, we were always struggling.
Players need to be available, want to come and affordable and we may have strayed into the signing them for the sake of it territory and going off stats, which I think someone like Ogbene was.
The will he wont he sagas of Philogne and Broja didn't help either.
I'm thankful Delap has stood up. He was someone that I think we were probably looking to grow into the season as we went on rather than necessarily making an immediate impact. Thank god he has. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 15:21]
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:24 - Oct 20 with 4433 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:21 - Oct 20 by gainsboroughblue |
We seem to have gone quantity over quality right now. Transfer windows are chaotic at the best of times but when you are trying to bridge the gap of two successive promotions, we were always struggling.
Players need to be available, want to come and affordable and we may have strayed into the signing them for the sake of it territory and going off stats, which I think someone like Ogbene was.
The will he wont he sagas of Philogne and Broja didn't help either.
I'm thankful Delap has stood up. He was someone that I think we were probably looking to grow into the season as we went on rather than necessarily making an immediate impact. Thank god he has. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 15:21]
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People are overplaying the involvement of delap tho.
Hes scored the majority of goals. But hes as much as wring outside the box as the rest of the side at the moment. That's not dissing him. He's young and gone straight into a prem side. The problem is how many clubs get promoted then rely on a young striker like we are to be an integral part of their play... and that's what we've had all the way under KM.
Delaps gonna sell for a big chunk. Probably back to city with their buy back. So we can enjoy him whilst he's here. But I feel he's starting possibly 6 months to early. | |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:34 - Oct 20 with 4405 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 15:03 - Oct 20 by victorysquad |
We certainly looked best when the old guard came on yesterday. But we would need to see the championship team starting to see how well they could fare.
They could get battered but they might not. Right now we do not look like scoring so it has to be worth a go. |
I said exactly this in the pub after the game. The players individually might not be quite as good ...but they're a team, football is a team game, and it showed yesterday with much better cohesion when they came on. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:04 - Oct 20 with 4350 views | Sarge |
Yes
Wolf vs O’Shea by Sarge 22 Sep 2024 13:25Think it’s harsh on Woolfenden, I think he’s plenty good enough for this level and didn’t demonstrate otherwise in the games he’s played so far. Personally I think we’ve replaced too many players at once, and a few that didn’t really need replacing. I’d put him back in against Villa.
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:10 - Oct 20 with 4302 views | Kropotkin123 |
Yes, particularly at the back. I think dropping Woolf after his good performances and partnership with Greaves was too soon. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:14 - Oct 20 with 4292 views | Illinoisblue |
Undeniably. The very expensive goalkeeper doesn’t inspire confidence and is such a crucial part of how we play. Phillips has been underwhelming. J Clarke doesn’t influence the game enough. Greaves and Delap the very obvious standouts of the new boys but we’re missing relationships and connections all over the pitch. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:28 - Oct 20 with 4264 views | LankHenners |
It's a difficult one as we've gone up the leagues so quickly that a lot of former favourites just simply aren't good enough. If we'd have stuck with them and still ended up struggling (which I'd argue we would be) then everyone would be saying we should have tried harder in the transfer market to get improvements in.
Think the 'short term pain for long term gain' strategy, if that's what it is, is a reasonable one, but we could have done with getting a few more in earlier than we did. Don't think it's a coincidence that the ones who did come in early - Delap and Greaves in particular - are the players that look the best so far. |  |
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| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:34 - Oct 20 with 4218 views | JackNorthStand |
I’m not sure O’Shea is an upgrade on Wolfy, Muric and upgrade on Hladky or Phillips an upgrade on Mas from what I have seen so far this season.
Whilst I don’t think the amount of new players is the issue I think the new players not performing at the level ( which is really essential ) that was expected when we signed them is the issue.
Also he’s the cohesion factor and now after 2 dismal performances possibly confidence too.
Let’s hope the first win isn’t too far away and it’s the beginning of good things | | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:50 - Oct 20 with 4177 views | ITFCSG |
Fair enough, but I think one of the main reasons why we struggle (besides the obvious step up in quality of the opposition) is that the camaraderie built up since League One has been more or less destroyed with the influx of new players and tearing up of the system everyone was accustomed to over the past 2 years.
In the past when we have gone behind or struggled to start, players would go down for a quick time out and tactical tweak by McK as seen so many times last season. If we are 2-0 down at HT (Cardiff H remember), we would go all guns blazing once the ball was kicked in the second half. Compare that to us getting run over again and again by Everton for the first 20-25 of the second half yesterday. No subs. No change of formation or tactics. Why?
Remember Hladky punching the air and celebrating after our first win at the Stadium of Light for our first game in the Championship? How Clarke, Woolfy, Burgess celebrated with every save he made? Compare that to Muric in goal now. Expressionless. Why?
I may sound negative but it seems that at best some players have not gelled with the bulk of the squad due to multiple international breaks but at worse it seems some are just going through the motions.
New players: Greaves, Delap and perhaps Szmodics have shown their value but for the rest I do not see any upgrade on what we already have. How players like Muric and O'Shea are worth upwards of 10 million quid each beggars belief. Johnson, Phillips and Cajuste (admittedly not having played much) seem mid-table Championship quality at best.
I don't mind losing, but unlike our 3-4 loss to Leeds at home last season, or Wolves at Man City just now, I just don't see much effort, passion and desire from the current team. Perhaps we should start players like Harry Clarke, Taylor, Broadhead and Walton and see where we go from there. If we are going down, at least I want to see us going down with a fight. | | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 17:12 - Oct 20 with 4043 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 16:50 - Oct 20 by ITFCSG |
Fair enough, but I think one of the main reasons why we struggle (besides the obvious step up in quality of the opposition) is that the camaraderie built up since League One has been more or less destroyed with the influx of new players and tearing up of the system everyone was accustomed to over the past 2 years.
In the past when we have gone behind or struggled to start, players would go down for a quick time out and tactical tweak by McK as seen so many times last season. If we are 2-0 down at HT (Cardiff H remember), we would go all guns blazing once the ball was kicked in the second half. Compare that to us getting run over again and again by Everton for the first 20-25 of the second half yesterday. No subs. No change of formation or tactics. Why?
Remember Hladky punching the air and celebrating after our first win at the Stadium of Light for our first game in the Championship? How Clarke, Woolfy, Burgess celebrated with every save he made? Compare that to Muric in goal now. Expressionless. Why?
I may sound negative but it seems that at best some players have not gelled with the bulk of the squad due to multiple international breaks but at worse it seems some are just going through the motions.
New players: Greaves, Delap and perhaps Szmodics have shown their value but for the rest I do not see any upgrade on what we already have. How players like Muric and O'Shea are worth upwards of 10 million quid each beggars belief. Johnson, Phillips and Cajuste (admittedly not having played much) seem mid-table Championship quality at best.
I don't mind losing, but unlike our 3-4 loss to Leeds at home last season, or Wolves at Man City just now, I just don't see much effort, passion and desire from the current team. Perhaps we should start players like Harry Clarke, Taylor, Broadhead and Walton and see where we go from there. If we are going down, at least I want to see us going down with a fight. |
I wondered how long it would take for the lack of passion drivel to start. | | | |
| Do we think there’s an element of too many new players in the team too on 18:02 - Oct 20 with 3907 views | billlm |
You can't look a gift horse as they say, so you grab with both hands I'm sure the clubs long term plan wasn't back to back promotions,
Would have given us another season or two to get a much stronger squad and a few additions for the prem,
We do seem very disjointed and mistakes prone now, |  | | |
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